Idea for the Hardcore Title

[Guest Imarkout4chrisdaniels]

I think it is safe to say that ECW still has its diehard fans, especially in the East Coast. I say we take Stevie Richards, Raven, Tommy Dreamer, Tazz, Justin Credible, Spike, Bubba, and a few others, and place them soley in this division. Tazz is the only one not on the Raw roster currently, but he is just an announcer for Smackdown anyway. Conjure up an angle where he quits announcing because he is dying to compete in this division. Heyman lobbies for McMahon to give it the okay, and lets him use Lesnar for some handy work to compensate.

 

Rename the belt the Extreme Championship Title, and have the matches not be the 24/7 or trashcan matches we have now.

 

Bring others into the division after these guys get it going.

 

I say that is much better than what we have now, and it utilizes these guys. What do you think?

[Guest Downhome]

The only way that an ECW Title could be a succes is if they were allowed to just let loose like they could IN ECW. However, we know that will not happen for two reasons. One, Vince is all of a sudden mega-safe with most of his stars and they are not allowed to do many of the moves that ECW routinely saw, and two, if they WERE allowed to go the route of the ECW style, it would overshadow the Taker's, HHH's, etc... Great idea in theory, but it would never happen. However...

 

...I wish to God it would, as I would mark out so very much. :)

[Guest Imarkout4chrisdaniels]

Good points...........

 

One thing I forgot to mention would be to let Heyman be in charge of the division. And like you said, Vince will never let it happen.

[Guest AM The Kid]

That would be an amazing division, but it would never fly with any of the WWE buisness people.

[Guest LesnarLunatic]

maybe if they give it a show in Philly.

 

and if they do, they're ripping me off!

[Guest The Electrifyer]

Thats an idea that I've been thinking about for a while now. The WWE has a lot of the ECW talent and they can damn well make it a good, respectable title. They shouldn't have the title be changed every show but I think the 24/7 rule could still be used pretty well. They should make it so that the wrestlers in the division are so dangerous and so extreme that not many people dare to take advantage of the 24/7 rule.

[Guest MarvinisaLunatic]

Uh..what does the WWE have to lose if they let the ECW guys run wild once in a while in their own little ECW HARDCORE division? Its not like any of them get a lot of tv time as it is, and the WWE is certainly not relying on any of them for ratings/buyrate/ticket sales/merchandising etc. The problem of the division overshadowing everything else is the real hinderance to the idea

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

It's a fine idea.

 

I would be sure to watch it if only for the memories.

 

Does anyone else dust off old ECW tapes and DVDs every so often and watch a ton of it at once?

 

I do...

 

but funnily I never do that for WCW.

[Guest Mindless_Aggression]

You bet I dust off the old ECW and watch a shitload of it all at once. I too, never do that with WCW though. Probably because i can basically see WCW every Monday Night frankly. ECW had a style all it's own and no one else has really been able to nail it like they did, that perfect blend of mindless violence and good in ring work. *tears up* Don't look at me, just don't.

[Guest MarvinisaLunatic]

Funnily?

 

I have one ECW tape, and I've watched it so much I don't even enjoy it anymore..

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

It's funny that WCW was the company to push the WWF to number 2...yet ECW is more fondly remembered.

 

Score another one for Kevin Nash!!!!

 

Of course that doesn't include the old NWA who will always be revered...but the WCW era stinks of failure rather than fond memories.

[Guest TheHulkster]

You guys must have shitty WCW tapes or something. The shows from 1996-1998 were for the most part golden. I have a bunch of old nitros on tapes and I watch them way more than ECW. I still like ECW, but the workrate and storyline of WCW are far superior. I used to watch ECW regularly, and have a lot of ECW TV's on tape from that era, and there was a 60% chance of the shows sucking overall. You can get a real rosy picture of ECW from watching the best of tapes that are on the market today.

[Guest papacita]

I'd have no problem with an ECW division, but if they ever want the Hardcore Title to mean something, I think they need to make a new belt. I mean, sure, the broken belt was unique when it was introduced in 98-99, but after 3 years it looks worse than ever and it's hard to imagine somebody wanting to be stuck with a title like that. I say just get a new belt made up, drop the 24/7 rule, and I'd have no problem at all with the division.

[Guest greeneb22]

I think the WWE should go with that idea, I mean it's not like they're going to use those wrestlers for anything else so if they get hurt it shouldn't be a problem.

[Guest saturnmark4life]

If raven's just on heat now why not have him book the division with dreamer, richards, bubba etc. They could get more mileage out of it that way. They will never, EVER rename it the ECW title.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

The "WWF Style" is injuring more guys in a shorter amount of time than ECW wrestling ever did.

 

Also, what do you think an "extreme" divsion belt SHOULD look like?

[Guest HollywoodSpikeJenkins]

hmmmmm

 

Hardcore Division = Heat

Cruiserweight Division = Velocity

 

Everything else that sucks on Raw and Smackdown.

 

 

 

Probably a bad idea, yes....

[Guest Gomezticator]

You guys must have shitty WCW tapes or something. The shows from 1996-1998 were for the most part golden. I have a bunch of old nitros on tapes and I watch them way more than ECW. I still like ECW, but the workrate and storyline of WCW are far superior. I used to watch ECW regularly, and have a lot of ECW TV's on tape from that era, and there was a 60% chance of the shows sucking overall. You can get a real rosy picture of ECW from watching the best of tapes that are on the market today.

Hulkster, that wouldn't have anything with you being a Hulk mark now, would it?

 

Heh, j/k.

[Guest razazteca]

well Bradshaw just put a Texas State Flag sticker on the belt. Bradshaw vs Raven was on Heat, in a basic weapons in a shopping cart match

 

Where is New Jack when you need him?

[Guest Gomezticator]

Dude, YES! If they had a HC title match on Summerslam and the requisite ten jobbers all ran out to try and win the belt, and New Jack came out and beat the living sh*t out of ALL of them, I'd mark out like a bitch.

 

At least until he attempted his first balcony dive. Then I'd ask for his head.

[Guest mach7]

It looks more and more like this idea is coming true. The hardcore title has been redone (even though, it's gawdy as hell with those longhorns). Bradshaw has been defending it on Heat a lot. Maybe Heat will be come a place where that "division" is showcased after all.

[Guest Trivia247]

All over the world Wrestlers are using stiff ass Moves and piledrivers Big Spots and going through tables and they walk away like it was nothing, but Noooo the hypercondriac WWE Moveset Nazi cancels out every decent move a given wrestler does and gives them a Pamplet of moves they can do...and what happens.... the Wrestling injuries these days don't come from Emerald Fusions, or Falcon Arrows off the top turnbuckle, ITS Wrestlers TRIPPING! and Clotheslining people to hard. HHH Tripped, Maven Tripped, Nash, Tripped... and Kane He just clotheslined someone and his arm broke or something. Geez and he did Inferno matches...what the hell happen?

 

Kinda makes you wonder why they Bury every ECW personality or they Program them into WWE Trademark Shadows of them former selves. They could handle any move known to MAN and would show up those BIG Names who are to God Damn PRISSY to take a Damn Piledriver! not like 20 years ago when people Older than they are together was in the Ring in the WWF and piledriving and getting Piledriven left and right.

 

Takes a breath....

[Guest evenflowDDT]

I too, would like to see an ECW-only Title, although this idea really needed to come out a year ago, during the inVasion.

 

I really don't think the idea would work well today though, because the guys are too burned out to work out any of the great matches (or at least great spots) the company was famous for. Also, with the exception of RVD, none of them can really be considered "over".

[Guest Zack Malibu]

They'd never go ahead with a division like that. The current hardcore division isn't taken seriously because it doesn't take itself seriously. The 24/7 rule was a good twist, but played for laughs. The "grab weapon, toss into ring, hit opponent, spray extinguisher" got old after the third time. Very few hardcore matches during the last few years have stood out (RVD's reign, Raven vs. Rhyno) and with good reason: The WWE doesn't want to overshadow it's main event brawls. Undertaker, Hunter, even the guys like Angle and Jericho all mix it up, and I'm not saying it's a case of being held down, but the WWE wants to reserve the no holds barred brawls for it's main events, and that's fine. I do however, think that more attention should be paid to some of the ex-ECW guys, and some makeovers/updated movesets could benefit them in the long run, so they're percieved as actual wrestlers and not garbage bums.