What should WWE NOT do...

[Guest Downhome]

We all have talked about what should be done, who should be pushed, and where WWE should go from here. I think we all agree on many things, and if you ask me, the majority of what SHOULD be done is rather obvious, which leads me to be somewhat confused as to how we can seemingly realize this, but the WWE bookers/writers/promoter can not seem to get a handle on it. Anyhow...

 

...what angles/gimmicks/pushes should NOT happen in WWE for them to be a succes? We all know that they should try something new, but what alley's would hurt them more so than helping them? Would the Russo WCW idea have helped anything, or would that have broke WWE down that much more? What is crossing the line now-a-days in WWE in terms of turning fans on/off to the product?

 

Sincerely,

...Downhome...

[Guest BoboBrazil]

1. They should not have Stephanie be overlooking the writing teams.

 

2. They shouldn't allow HHH in the booking meetings or have any input.

 

3. They shouldn't hold back wrestlers, just because they might out wrestle the main eventers.

 

4. They shouldn't hotshot angles that totally destroy major storylines like when Vince beat Flair and regained control, just because Austin left Raw.

 

5. They shouldn't tape Smackdown.

 

6. They shouldn't have Michael Cole and Tazz as announcers.

 

7. They shouldn't allow backstage politics from any wrestler, even guys who have been there a long time.

 

8. They shouldn't make wrestlers "pay their dues" by burying them. Most never recover from this.

 

9. They shouldn't keep bringing in old guys from WCW who weren't draws there to try and improve their own ratings.

[Guest The Superstar]

10. They shouldn't bring an unover rookie into the company and thrust him into the main event 5 months after debuting.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

I read a big long piece about the events and angles that lead to the downfall, and when you consider just how much was pissed away during the invasion, I almost kind of liked Vinny Ru's proposed idea. The Raw graphics and fonts looked strangely identical to Nitro, and god knows WCW had some better PPV names than "Unforgiven" and "Backlash."

 

Brock Lesnar as Undisputed Champion will simply bury the belt further. Brock should not be winning the belt until at least No Mercy or preferably Armageddon, to defend it against RVD at WM. Preferably, I would like to see Heyman screw up Lesnar's title match, which would lead to a split and Heyman reintroducing Rhyno for a brief revenge fued.

 

Speaking of RVD, don't hotshot the title onto him. The plausable storyline as things are going is that Lesnar is being pushed and agented his way to the top of the ladder while RVD is having to elevate The Hard Way. There's money to be made in that chase, and it will put asses in seats if done right.

 

Also, they should not listen to any idea by Tommy Fierro. If they do, I give them one month before Vince is holding a sign on a street corner offering all rights and ownership of WWE to whoever will give him $5.

 

EDIT Fixed a screw up where I said Summerslam instead of Armageddon

[Guest Downhome]

3. They shouldn't hold back wrestlers, just because they might out wrestle the main eventers.

I agree with you, but I want to play Devil's Advocate for a moment. Do you think it is ok for the midcarders and lowercared guys to out perform the main eventers? Do you not feel that it can indeed make the fans look down on those in the higherup? Or do you feel that the main eventers should just work that much harder?

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

10. They shouldn't bring an unover rookie into the company and thrust him into the main event 5 months after debuting.

I guess they should do it in two weeks instead?

[Guest BoboBrazil]

The cruiserweights outwrestled the main eventers in WCW and it didn't make fans look down on the main events. The same is happening now in NWA:TNA also.

[Guest Downhome]

...and god knows WCW had some better PPV names than "Unforgiven" and "Backlash."

Just for the record, I feel that the December PPV should be renamed to Starcade, just because that is a great ass name for a PPV. To make it special, they should have each "brand" only have a PPV every other month, aka, six a year. Wrestlemania could be the big main show for one brand, while Starcade could be the big show for the other. In them, there could be a few inter-brand matches also just to make it that much more special.

[Guest The Superstar]

JOTW, are you talking about John Cena?

If so, I don't really see him thrust into the main event just by wrestling main event guys. Although it may be, I dunno.

 

If not, who were you talking about?

[Guest Downhome]

The cruiserweights outwrestled the main eventers in WCW and it didn't make fans look down on the main events. The same is happening now in NWA:TNA also.

True about WCW, but in my eyes it made even ME look that much more down on the main events (most of them anyhow), lol. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the cruiserweight matches in NWA:TNA the main event in the first place?

[Guest Downhome]

JOTW, are you talking about John Cena?

If so, I don't really see him thrust into the main event just by wrestling main event guys. Although it may be, I dunno.

 

If not, who were you talking about?

I think he means Lesnar in SummerSlam.

[Guest CanadianChick]

...and god knows WCW had some better PPV names than "Unforgiven" and "Backlash."

Just for the record, I feel that the December PPV should be renamed to Starcade, just because that is a great ass name for a PPV. To make it special, they should have each "brand" only have a PPV every other month, aka, six a year. Wrestlemania could be the big main show for one brand, while Starcade could be the big show for the other. In them, there could be a few inter-brand matches also just to make it that much more special.

But whoever has Wrestlemania will have a way better advantage becasue I think that it is much more reconizeable than Starcade is. Besides, Starcade was a premier show of a competor of Vince, therefore, he will never use it.

[Guest BoboBrazil]

Even though it happens last on the card sometimes in NWA:TNA I don't consider them the main event. The main event is the world title match. I would consider the main eventers right now as Ken Shamrock, Jeff Jarrett, Malice, Scott Hall, and to a lesser extent Brian Christopher and K-Krush.

[Guest papacita]

and god knows WCW had some better PPV names than "Unforgiven" and "Backlash."

 

Excuse me, did they or did they not have a PPV called "Sin"?

[Guest The Superstar]

No, he was talking about guys being pushed into the main 2 weeks after debuting. The only person I could think of was Sting...err, Cena.

[Guest CanadianChick]

He said SOME, not all. Anywayz, I think that Greed is worse

[Guest The Superstar]

I think that Greed is worse

 

Especially when that was their last PPV and they were actually losing money.

[Guest Downhome]

Even though it happens last on the card sometimes in NWA:TNA I don't consider them the main event. The main event is the world title match. I would consider the main eventers right now as Ken Shamrock, Jeff Jarrett, Malice, Scott Hall, and to a lesser extent Brian Christopher and K-Krush.

Yes, but "technically" the X matches are the main events. It's last on the card, the big finale on the show, etc...

 

No, he was talking about guys being pushed into the main 2 weeks after debuting. The only person I could think of was Sting...err, Cena.

 

My bad, I looked at your statement as his, I'm crazy like that.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

Excuse me, did they or did they not have a PPV called "Sin"?

Yes, but that was in their screwed over year.

 

"Fall Brawl", "Great American Bash", and "Spring Stampede" were good names. Not-so-good names were "Uncensored" (bland) and Hog Wild (I mean, cmon.)

 

I liked the Starcade idea. I think it should be in October, six months after WM to build interest in the other brand. Replace Survivor Series with No Mercy since SSeries has a reputation for being the disaster of the year anyway.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

JOTW, are you talking about John Cena?

If so, I don't really see him thrust into the main event just by wrestling main event guys. Although it may be, I dunno.

Well, it's an SD main event, but a main event anyway. Far more important than a Heat main event, if you know what I mean.

[Guest GenerationNever]

IMO, the ONLY good thing about NWA TNA is the X-Division. Fire the rest of the WWE rejects and losers from WCW.

[Guest Grenouille]

I'd like it if they would resurrect the Halloween Havoc theme. I don't what it was about them that seemed that great. Might have been the sets that I thought were cool.

[Guest jester]

I read a big long piece about the events and angles that lead to the downfall, and when you consider just how much was pissed away during the invasion, I almost kind of liked Vinny Ru's proposed idea. The Raw graphics and fonts looked strangely identical to Nitro, and god knows WCW had some better PPV names than "Unforgiven" and "Backlash."

Do you mean a big long article on the downfall of WCW? Is it posted somewhere I could read it? I rarely got to see WCW so I missed a lot of history.

 

jester

[Guest Shaved Bear]

3. They shouldn't hold back wrestlers, just because they might out wrestle the main eventers.

I agree with you, but I want to play Devil's Advocate for a moment. Do you think it is ok for the midcarders and lowercared guys to out perform the main eventers? Do you not feel that it can indeed make the fans look down on those in the higherup? Or do you feel that the main eventers should just work that much harder?

if they arent the best they shouldnt be in the main events

[Guest Raven_Effect01]

1.They should NOT keep Stephanie as the head of the creative department because not only does she keep accepting bad ideas from the writing team, but as I read from the PWTorch newsletter post in this forum, she's such a hard-ass bitch when it comes to wrestlers(excluding HHH or any other Kliq member) suggesting possibly good ideas to her that would help improve WWE's product some. Vince, it's time for you to get your moaning and bitching daughter off the creative team NOW, because as long as she stays on it, it'll be one of the things hurting WWE's product if she can't accept ANY good ideas and wants to whine about it like a 5 year old. As for her not letting a wrestler get pushed because he can't connect with the live crowd, what about Lesnar? The crowd can't get into him, yet he's still pushed to main-event status, while Jericho(who CAN get heel heat if WWE can rebuild his credibility with clean wins) gets made to look like a bitch to John Cena every week on Smackdown?

 

2.Do not bring in Goldberg

 

3.Do not bring in Scott Steiner

 

4.Do not bring in the Ultimate Warrior

 

5.No more hotshotting of angles

 

6.No more invincible faces and weak heels. Make the heels get the upper-hand until the blowoff when the underdog face wins.

 

7.Don't allow HHH, Nash, Michaels, and X-Pac to have any input in the booking anymore

 

8.Don't refuse to let the Cruiserweights fly just because Vince is afraid they'd upstage the main-eventers

 

9.No rehashing of old angles

 

10.Don't focus a main-event storyline involving the WWE Undisputed title around a McMahon and her "ex-husband" when the Champion and the challenger(aka the "ex-husband in the storylines) should be the ones getting the focus since they're going to be the ones wrestling each other

 

11.Don't push bad wrestlers over good wrestlers to main-event status and get rid of backstage politics keeping deserving wrestlers back

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

Actually, no. The way-too-long article was on WWE and not WCW. I wish I could find something that chronicled WCW. I know Keith was going to make a book about it until his publisher convinced him otherwise.

 

5.No more hotshotting of angles

 

I don't think they'll ever stop hotshotting, to be honest. If nothing else, because of the stock. This is the first valley the business has had since WWE became a publically traded company, and you can't tell investors "We're not doing anything too hot right now because we're building up to try and attract viewers again." Stockholders, at least ignorant ones that don't know enough about the product (and I can guarantee most the holders aren't smarks or even marks) will just keep calling for change and saying "We want improvement NOW."

 

Don't refuse to let the Cruiserweights fly just because Vince is afraid they'd upstage the main-eventers

 

Kind of funny you mentioned that. The Knoble Byte This interview kind of hinted that this isn't likely happening. He made a comment that more or less implied that some of the cruisers are a little lazy right now.

[Guest Kid Kablam]

3. They shouldn't hold back wrestlers, just because they might out wrestle the main eventers.

I agree with you, but I want to play Devil's Advocate for a moment. Do you think it is ok for the midcarders and lowercared guys to out perform the main eventers? Do you not feel that it can indeed make the fans look down on those in the higherup? Or do you feel that the main eventers should just work that much harder?

I know you're just playing devil's advocate, but I say, fuck the status quo, if someone can't cut it in the ring, get them the f out. Now, I do think it's important to give someone a chance, like a young up and comer, but if someone is putting on boring matches that promt the fans to chant "Boooooooring" or similar chants, then he shouldn't be high up on the card.

[Guest Imarkout4chrisdaniels]

A good look at WCW can be found at www.ddtdigest.com

 

At least I think it is still up and running. Haven't been there in a while.

[Guest jester]

A good look at WCW can be found at www.ddtdigest.com

 

At least I think it is still up and running. Haven't been there in a while.

it's still there, thanks.

 

It's five parts and they're only up to mid-1994....that's pretty thorough.

 

I can't wait until they get to the total collapse period though...

 

jester

[Guest Gomezticator]

...and god knows WCW had some better PPV names than "Unforgiven" and "Backlash."

Just for the record, I feel that the December PPV should be renamed to Starcade, just because that is a great ass name for a PPV. To make it special, they should have each "brand" only have a PPV every other month, aka, six a year. Wrestlemania could be the big main show for one brand, while Starcade could be the big show for the other. In them, there could be a few inter-brand matches also just to make it that much more special.

Hey, there you go! Instead of, say, throwing guys together and going "Blah-Blah-PPV is only 10 DAYS AWAY....!!!" two weeks later?

 

PPV's need buildup, and you don't get that when you're throwing one up with the same guys every month. It buried WCW, it accelerated ECW's demise, and the WWF(e), who did it out of necessity for competition, got away with it because, until two years ago, they were doing most everything right.

 

WWe should give the brands their own respective PPV's to give each brand two months, rather than one, to build to their respective shows.