What should we do about AIDs in Africa?

[Guest EricMM]

What would you do?

[Guest Spicy McHaggis]

Tell them to stop having sex.

[Guest KoR Fungus]

Condoms and education, and actually hope they take the help that we offer. Some of them are pretty damn stubborn. Heh that moron South African president doesn't even think HIV causes AIDS.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

Shoot all the men.

[Guest kkktookmybabyaway]

Well, some rebel groups over there chop off the limbs of anyone not with "them."

 

Why not choppy choppy their pee pee?

 

Aids crisis solved.

[Guest Some Guy]

"Give them nothing because we need it more"

 

Well I would have clicked that one were it not so insulting.

 

It should say, "Give them nothing because they have done nothing to deserve it."

 

Spicy has it right as well.

[Guest ant_7000]

Stop having unprotected sex and Stop eating those Yellow Monkeys, they need to be educated on it and should give them the medicine fuck holding out the CURE (which they do have since 5 years ago) to the highest bidder Im don't like that shit.

[Guest GenerationNever]

Shoot all the men.

That's...eh, forget it.

[Guest J*ingus]

Shoot all the men.

::whacks Marney over the head with a club, drags her back to his cave by her hair::

 

And ant_7000, are you claiming that there is a cure to AIDS which is being supressed?

[Guest Cancer Marney]

I'd be a bit less easy to rape than the 2 year-old babies that African men regularly kill through forced sex in the hope that intercourse with a virgin will cure them of AIDS.

 

ant_7000, are you claiming that there is a cure to AIDS which is being supressed?

Sure he is. It's all a huge conspiracy by the Man to keep the playas down, don't you know. Has nothing at all to do with the uneducated patriarchal black scum inflicting willful genocide through rape on the entire continent, with at least 20% of the population already infected and slated to die in the next 10 years. Or the submoronic black leaders who, having rid themselves of their evil white colonial masters, deny any HIV-AIDS link and ban the distribution of the same medicines for which they're now begging.

[Guest J*ingus]

I'd be a bit less easy to rape than the 2 year-old babies that African men regularly kill through forced sex in the hope that intercourse with a virgin will cure them of AIDS.

Good gawd, I wasn't thinking THAT nastily. And that's the first time I've ever heard that, though I wouldn't doubt it's true. I've heard much, much worse stories about human rights abuses from Africa than I ever did from the Middle East or anywhere else. That entire continent often sounds like one huge shithole. How on earth could anyone clean up that mess?

[Guest Cancer Marney]

Happens all the time. My mom works there, although I don't know why she bothers. The entire continent pretty much fills me with revulsion, and the AU is nothing more than a continuation of a very sick joke.

[Guest DrTom]

My vote is for "Nothing, because it's not our goddamn problem." Strangely enough, that wasn't one of the options, and even I'm not in a condescending enough mood tonight to pick the one that was closest.

[Guest GenerationNever]

Still, you can't kill all the men because a lot are very sick people.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

I don't care if a rapist is sick with a sexually transmitted disease or not. That's not a mitigating factor, that's an aggravating factor. It's the equivalent of murder in addition to assault and battery and sadistic torture.

[Guest GenerationNever]

I'd be a bit less easy to rape than the 2 year-old babies that African men regularly kill through forced sex in the hope that intercourse with a virgin will cure them of AIDS.

Are you saying you've been raped, or something else?

[Guest J*ingus]

Watch it with that last question, GN, that one's dynamite if you hit the wrong person with it.

 

And Marney, I think he meant that you shouldn't kill all men just because some of them are bad. And GN, I don't think she was serious in the first place.

[Guest Some Guy]

I think she's saying that she, as grown women would be better able to fend off a would be rapist than an inffant. If she were raped, which I sincerely hope did not happen) it's not really your business.

 

I had never heard of the rape of children as a potential cure for AIDs. That's a new one. Can we call them savages? Or is that somehow racist? After all we are supposed to respect their "diversity" aren't we?

[Guest J*ingus]

For some reason, the ability of having sex with a virgin to cure STDs is actually a cross-cultural thing. I remember that the belief survived in England right up through the 19th century. But I think that third-world Africa is probably the only place where it still persists.

 

God, why IS that place such a mind-numbing hell of disease, poverty, and violence? And don't say because of Western imperialism, eastern Asia went through the same thing and is much better off now than Africa ever was.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

Thanks, Jingus, SG.

 

GenerationNever, as they told you, don't ever fucking ask incredibly personal questions that couldn't possibly be any of your damned business. And work on your reading comprehension. I obviously didn't mean I had been raped; I meant exactly what SG said I meant.

 

No, you're right, Jingus; I wasn't serious when I said all African men should be shot, although seeing some of the pictures of those children's corpses really makes me wish it were a viable solution.

 

SG, the superstition doesn't have so much to do with children per se as it does with "virgin" females. Of course, this is coming from the same people who stone and beat women to death for "stealing" their penises through witchcraft by shaking hands with them... so the medical value is somewhat questionable. Call them what you like. "Savages" is as good a word as any. "Psychotic evil filth who deserve worse than death" is my choice.

 

Jingus - interesting. I didn't know the superstition had existed and died out in other places.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

I really don't know why Africa is such a terrible place. The society is just a shade more patriarchal than Asia and the Middle East. The countries are much more artificial than even the India/Pakistan partition, though; that could have added to it. Possibly also because slavery was really only endemic to that continent? Blacks did enslave blacks and sell their own people to the white slave-traders; perhaps that contributed to some kind of continental sociopathic dehumanisation, I don't know.

[Guest J*ingus]

Jingus - interesting. I didn't know the superstition had existed and died out in other places.

Yep. If you need a reason to hate Michael Crichton, he actually made a plot point out of it in The Great Train Robbery while completely ignoring the implications.

[Guest Some Guy]

Much of Africa's problems stem form them being tribal rather than nationalistic. Each tribe considers itself its own nation. So Nigeria, for instance means very little to the tirbes who live there. Nation states are an absract notion to the tribes. Nigeria has a provision in their constitution to promote nationalism, becasue there is none there. The country is devided between the south, who took British traditions (religion, values, capitalism, etc..) with them after the Brits let them go and the North who the British didn't bother with, the North has hundreds of differnt tribes and religions. That makes it incredibly hard to govern. Then you get to the governments, which are all corrupt dictatorships or quasi-democracies.

 

The difference between Africa and parts of Aisa, is that Africa is still about 100 years behind where the West is, while Aisa has caught up or is catching up. It's similar to the Middle East in that respect. These countries don't necessarily need hand outs from us, they need to be left alone. If they want to live in tribes, then let them, because it is impossible to effectively govern that many different people and impractical to break up all the tribes into different couontries. And further more it's not our business what they do, as long as they don't harm us our our interests.

[Guest EricMM]

I think a lot of the problem is that poverty makes people dangerous and such. Not all people OF COURSE, but it makes life very difficult to deal with. A lot of people look to take things out on other people when nothing is going right for them. That being said, nothing is understandable, and that is never an excuse for anything, from raping kids to flying planes into buildings to whatever.

 

That and Africa is easily the most corrupt nation in the world. None of the nations will have an easy time raising themselves out of poverty with rulers who take the World Bank's money and run.

 

Africa is easily the most screwed up country on Earth. From what I learned in International Affairs class, it will ALWAYS be the most screwed up continent. Unfortunately. But they have no way out. They cannot afford technology, they spend ALL their money on weapons to fund their armys to keep the leaders in power, and they owe the World Bank billions. The world bank then forces them to not build schools in order to pay them back. A lot of people blame the world bank, because they do force nations to stop building infrastructure, but what else is the world bank supposed to do? It's a bank, it gives L-O-A-N-S...

[Guest GenerationNever]

Do you think the US should be involved in this, though? On one hand, it's not a general problem to us, on the other hand they are human beings too. Should the US help or not?

[Guest Some Guy]

Eric, Africa is a continent, not a country. although with the advent of "African Americans" it's an understandable mistake. By the logic of "African American" I'm a "North American American."

 

I think a lot of the problem is that poverty makes people dangerous and such. Not all people OF COURSE, but it makes life very difficult to deal with. A lot of people look to take things out on other people when nothing is going right for them. That being said, nothing is understandable, and that is never an excuse for anything, from raping kids to flying planes into buildings to whatever.

 

You can't have it both ways. You did this in another thread too. You give and excuse for their actions and then try to save yourself by saying that you don't condone their actions. Make up your mind.

 

 

It's the World Banks fault for trying to help? Maybe you should place the blame where it belongs, on the warlords who run the countries for their personal gain rather than for the betterment of the country.

 

Why should we help Africa? We tried in Somalia and were attacked. Why risk American lives to help ingrates? Especially when we didn't cause the problems. We didn't colonize Africa, the British, French, and Dutch did, they tried to civilize Africa and it failed, why not leave them alone and let them revert back to where they were before the white man interfered? When America has a problem, I don't see Africa offering any help, I see people celebrating terrorist attacks.

[Guest DrTom]

"Should the US help or not?"

 

No. It's not our problem. Furthermore, I'd like to think we actually learned something from the Somalia debacle.

[Guest EricMM]

Yes I can try to understand why someone does something wrong it's called empathy. Then you punish them and then you try to make sure they never do it again WITHOUT Radioactive Craters.

 

I think i made it clear that it's not the WB's fault, it's the people (ie everyone) in Africa who take the money and run.

 

And you're right it is getting to the point where i'd like to tell the people in favor of saving africa to find out some reasonable way to do it besides toss money into them until some of it sticks (mixed metaphors RoXxor )

 

Seriously the amount of money the WB has put into the continenet with no net gain in anything is sad, sadder because now they need the money back.

[Guest ant_7000]

Shoot all the men.

::whacks Marney over the head with a club, drags her back to his cave by her hair::

 

And ant_7000, are you claiming that there is a cure to AIDS which is being supressed?

Yes, and NOT because of MARNEY'S reasons what the hell she's smoking? I don't need you to speak for me boo boo. Im saying that there is a cure for AIDS already but they are giving it to the highest bidders. I think that researchers say there's no cure to keep their jobs, because look at it if had I a research team and we get funding for it, good job working at discovering a cure for years and then all of sudden another research team claims that they found the cure for AIDS the 1st thing im going to say I want to investigate their claim, so its takes more years and money and I keep my job.

[Guest J*ingus]

Any proof of this at all?