Another serious HHH thread

[Guest Ripper]

What the hell are you reading.

 

Disagree= flaming in your book i guess.

 

Maybe you can point out when I called you a mark 50 times and call your post stupid. Wait...I didn't do that...[looks at your post to me]...I was thinking of someone else.

 

Just because someone disagrees with the majority doesn't mean they are flaming.

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

Ugh... not again.

[Guest alfdogg]

Well you can disagree without getting all worked up like you did, asshole.

 

I consider "That's a clean job AND YOU KNOW IT" a flame, sue me.

 

I don't care if you disagree with something. Just don't come in here like your shit don't stink and state your opinions as fact.

[Guest the pinjockey]

HHH suffered losses due to people standing there and HHH was talking shiot to them...sorry that is a clean loss. AND YOU KNOW IT. Only if its HHH its not clean anymore...then it is holding down.

It would be a clean loss if it wasn't for the fact you have the little bitch Michael Cole ranting and raving about how UT cost HHH the match even though he didn't rendering Jericho useless AGAIN. And before saying well it was Cole saying it he gets fed information and lines into his headset so somebody wanted that to be the idea.

[Guest alfdogg]

Forgot to mention that. Thanks, pinjockey.

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

Eh, who gives a shit about Cole?

[Guest AM The Kid]

Geez, usually I jump right into these and start my HHHating...but I just don't wanna go through the hassle of dealing with some of these morons. Take it to the flaming folder.

[Guest Ripper]

WHAT!!

 

Ok, really, how is "AND YOU KNOW IT" flaming but me getting called a HHH mark who make asinine statements isn't.(actually I don't consider it a flame but its worst than and you know it.)

 

So far in this threar only dreamer and I have had a diffrenet opinion basically and for some reason he got called a troll and I get blamed for flaming... Jeebus so much for different opinions in this thread.

[Guest Brian]

"Maybe because I am the only person that actually wanted to find out what she did and not just want to have someone to put a target on. She is Head of the Writing Committee. Not the same as writer."

 

And her duties are, as I've said before, to establish guidelines, edit, and debate among the final product and it's drafts. That's alot more power than any writer has, because she can veto and change the show without realy having to answer to anyone.

 

 

"Yes, Rock and Austin had star power...but Austin had just come of a disaterous title run and if he had not been a bitch and half assed it in the ring, might have been part of a sucessful NWO angle."

 

Well, in hindsight we can look back and say his heel turn failed because it was never meant for success despite the booking team trying to sacrifice HHH and the Alliance for him, and pairing him with Vince, the McMahon kids and the WCW name. And in hindsight, we can look and say Austin was right, when Hall was found drinking the night before WrestleMania and on subsequent dates, and when Nash starts trying to push for storyline changes.

 

"Everyone wants to ignore Jerhico himself talking about how HHH and X-pac were the main ones that got him to fit into the WWF and HHH elevated him..."

 

Actually, that was never said by Jericho. The Torch reported that one issue about six months ago saying that Jericho had gotten the help in 2000. They also just reported that Jericho is seen backstage complaining that specifically, HHH is holding him down.

 

"and who did he go back to the midcard to have matches against...Kurt...Angle... Then he was elevated into the main event again...Who was that guy wrestling Austin and HHH when HHH got hurt??? But lets forget all of this because this goes against the whole HHH is evil theory..."

 

And let's consider circumsatnces. At the time they were prepping HHH to be turned on by Austin and become a fullfledged face as he originally wanted. And where does Jericho go after it becomes HHH vs. Austin. The fact is that the only reason HHH sacrificed his face run early was because he was getting a chance later, but what was Austin getting out of staying heel?

[Guest RickyChosyu]

At the time they were prepping HHH to be turned on by Austin and become a fullfledged face as he originally wanted. And where does Jericho go after it becomes HHH vs. Austin. The fact is that the only reason HHH sacrificed his face run early was because he was getting a chance later, but what was Austin getting out of staying heel?

I think we have to assume that the entire point of Austin staying heel was to re-hash Austin/HHH in hopes of sustaining fan-interest by reversing the heel/face roles. Why else would they do it?

[Guest Brian]

Isn't that what I said?

[Guest RickyChosyu]

Isn't that what I said?

Yes and no. I was just clarrifying on whether or not you knew the answer to what you asked.

[Guest Phr33k]

Because he's in a position to take backstage power, and thus hog all the glory for himself. Admit it: you might hate the guy, but you'd do it too, given his position. Although, you'd think bangin' Steph was enough. Which is another thing we'd all do, given the chance.

[Guest Brian]

Well, the fuck I'd do it. I'd put myself rather in Rock's position, where once you take the power you assume that every move you make, your character, and everything related to your character are under a microscope. And it's just too much pressure. Because Triple H is still assured his main event spot, so why should he have to protect it.

[Guest Phr33k]

Insecurity. Everyone at the top has to think, at some point or another, that they're in danger of losing their position to someone, and so they do something to prevent it. When HHH sees someone like John Cena or Chris Jericho getting more over than him, he sees it as a potential threat to his position as the "top man" in the WWE, so he does something to stop it, and kill all their heat.

 

This could work in other ways, too. If someone has no heat, HHH discreetly gets him pushed over the ones who do have heat, not to create heat for the heatless, but to diminish the heat of the one who has it. No more threat. Am I the only one who thinks that Hunter has a hand in Lesnar's Goldberg push?

[Guest Brian]

Lesnar's push was going to be like that anyways, and they just needed to sacrifice like that. It seems like more of a Vince's ego thing.

 

I disagree. Someone, like Austin, for along time was not that heavily involved in politics at the top and still stayed successful. There was Jarrett, which was revenge from back in the day at USWA, but for a long time during his face run he was making money by designing merchandise and such. He would have done all the media work if Vince let him. And he was working the mid-card for a good half a year, only being brought up to help put HHH's WrestleMania opponent over. Before that he was in a heel turn that was not his doing. Not every top guy has to play excessive politics to stay there; that in fact only seems to mainly be a Kliq standard echoed by a few others.

[Guest RickyChosyu]

Lesnar's push was going to be like that anyways, and they just needed to sacrifice like that. It seems like more of a Vince's ego thing.

 

I disagree. Someone, like Austin, for along time was not that heavily involved in politics at the top and still stayed successful. There was Jarrett, which was revenge from back in the day at USWA, but for a long time during his face run he was making money by designing merchandise and such. He would have done all the media work if Vince let him. And he was working the mid-card for a good half a year, only being brought up to help put HHH's WrestleMania opponent over. Before that he was in a heel turn that was not his doing. Not every top guy has to play excessive politics to stay there; that in fact only seems to mainly be a Kliq standard echoed by a few others.

The Kliq isn't the only thing responsible for establishing that presedent. Flair, along with his political batle with Rhodes over elevating Luger really set the stage for future glass ceiling advocates.

 

Also, I believe religion also played a role in the Jarrett/Austin problem. Jeff took exception to Austin's mocking of John 3:16, which was the catalyst to their problems, or so I've been lead to believe.

[Guest Brian]

That wa part of it, but I think they're USWA thing played a much larger part. That and Debra were minor things.

 

Totally agreed on the politics thing, but once you've established a strong enough name and give it your all, you can still keep your spot, especially if you're smart enough not to limit yourself to just wrestling like Austin and the Rock. Which is what I'm trying to argue, that not everyone in the same position would make the same choices, or at least not as often.