Guest NoCalMike Report post Posted July 18, 2002 I find it funny that Metallica is all blown up about being the kings of thrash blah blah, yet they haven't been a thrash metal band for about 15 years now. Slayer was basically doing the same shit Metallica got all the fame for. I loved Master of Puppets, Ride the Lightning, and Kill 'em All, yet at the same time I don't think either could touch Slayers, Reign in Blood, Seasons in the Abyss, or South of Heaven. I think people disregard the fact that when most people go to a Metallica concert they only go to hear songs made 15 years ago. Who wants to hear, "until it sleeps" live? bwahaha...True Slayer has slowed their heaviness a bit as well, but the slowest song on "God Hates us All" is a shitload heavier then the fastest shit from Reload. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest swan Report post Posted July 18, 2002 Up until ...And Justice For All I honestly think Slayer was bigger than Metallica. Slayer has never had huge record sales but they drew damn well in the 80's. I think tour attendence shows how popular you really are. Once Metallica crossed over to MTV thats when they were able to headline. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kinetic Report post Posted July 18, 2002 Would it be out of line to request a "One and Only Metallica" thread? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Flyboy Report post Posted July 18, 2002 Would it be out of line to request a "One and Only Metallica" thread? Nah... Just along as there is a "One and Only Guns N' Roses" thread to go along with it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest redbaron51 Report post Posted July 18, 2002 eh...Slayer is great...but Metallica is better. if there is gonna be a GNR thread, make an Iron Maiden one as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shaved Bear Report post Posted July 18, 2002 eh...Slayer is great...but Metallica is better. if there is gonna be a GNR thread, make an Iron Maiden one as well. agreed about Slayer and Metallica, and if a GnR thread is made, might as well make a Survivor, Scorpions, Poison, and every other hair metal band then, cause thats all GnR is... Tell Me I did not just say that!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Nezbyte Report post Posted July 18, 2002 Slayer rapes Metallica. Metallica has the cash and fame because they became MTV kids. GnR owns, foo'. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CoreyLazarus416 Report post Posted July 19, 2002 Slayer, I think, is just simply inferior music. It's purely anger-driven, and most songs tend to sound the same (if it's not about murder, it's about Satan). And I'm a hardcore Slayer fan... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Coffin Surfer Report post Posted July 19, 2002 With the exception of the broad subgenre of postpunk. I think Metallica and Slayer are as about as different as two bands in the same subgenre can get. Both bands took two extremely different approaches to their music. Slayer is rooted much more in the 2 minute blasts of anger of Hardcore Punk, while Metallica is rooted much more in the longer more musical songwriting approach of Progressive Rock and British New Wave Metal. So it really boils down to a matter of taste. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shaved Bear Report post Posted July 19, 2002 they both are sick, i once saw them at the same show Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest thefrenchargel Report post Posted July 20, 2002 Metallica is obsessed with dragging songs 5 minutes longer than they need to be, like One, Fade to Black, Seek and Destroy, Welcome Home, and especially Blackened..that song only needs to be like a minute long. Slayer gets the point across and leaves it at that, letting the rest of the CD back it up. Not to mention the fact that Kerry King is about 999.6 times better than Kirk Hammet, and the fact that slayer has never put out an album that sucked or was cheesy metal for people who don't like metal. Diabolus in Musica wasn't their best, but God Hates Us All brought them back to the forefront of undisputed kings of thrash. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Respect The 'Taker Report post Posted July 20, 2002 Metallica is obsessed with dragging songs 5 minutes longer than they need to be, like One, Fade to Black, Seek and Destroy, Welcome Home, and especially Blackened..that song only needs to be like a minute long. Slayer gets the point across and leaves it at that, letting the rest of the CD back it up. Not to mention the fact that Kerry King is about 999.6 times better than Kirk Hammet, and the fact that slayer has never put out an album that sucked or was cheesy metal for people who don't like metal. Diabolus in Musica wasn't their best, but God Hates Us All brought them back to the forefront of undisputed kings of thrash. YOU my friend are a TOTAL MORON... "One" is a friggen masterpeice and one of the greatest songs ever recorded. I could further place that argument upon any Met-song you named there. Slayer have never put out a bad album? In '82 they released Show No Mercy. Around the same time Metallica released Kill 'Em All. I DARE you to goto http://www.allmusic.com and do a search on both albums, then tell me what the results are. You'll find that METALLICA blew the living piss threw Slayer, hands down. But if we are gonna go on and talk about Reign in Blood, South of Heaven etc., well thats a much harder debate to argue. You run along back to your 2 minute Britney Spears songs now, won't you? Taker Mark Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest redbaron51 Report post Posted July 20, 2002 sales don't mean anything. its the quality of music. and Kerry King is a sloppy guitarist live (oh i was disappointed at his work, couldn't wait till Pantera came on). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shaved Bear Report post Posted July 20, 2002 and Kerry King is a sloppy guitarist live (oh i was disappointed at his work, couldn't wait till Pantera came on). Extreme Steel 2001?? anyway, Kerry King, his solos sound very similar for all of their songs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest redbaron51 Report post Posted July 20, 2002 yep Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CoreyLazarus416 Report post Posted July 20, 2002 You mean it's not just the same solo in every song played at different parts?! But, as Coffin said, different styles of the same subgenre. Slayer preferred to focus on speed and aggression, whereas Metallica preferred to focus on mastery and art. As for Slayer never having a bad album, I think everything after Seasons In The Abyss is pretty shitty...which is only further proven by the fact that the band itself rarely plays any songs post-Seasons live (with the exception of some tracks off of God Hates Us All). As for current thrash kings...my nod goes to Shadows Fall. \m/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shaved Bear Report post Posted July 20, 2002 As for Slayer never having a bad album, I think everything after Seasons In The Abyss is pretty shitty...which is only further proven by the fact that the band itself rarely plays any songs post-Seasons live (with the exception of some tracks off of God Hates Us All). They also play Stain of Mind Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Respect The 'Taker Report post Posted July 21, 2002 sales don't mean anything. its the quality of music. and Kerry King is a sloppy guitarist live (oh i was disappointed at his work, couldn't wait till Pantera came on). Sales obviously mean SOMETHING, it proves they are more appealing to fans then others. Which Metallica are. Kerry King has nothing on Kirk Hammet by the way, nothing. This has been the Taker Mark Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shaved Bear Report post Posted July 21, 2002 well Kerry King does lok cooler...but musically...nothing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mesepher Report post Posted July 21, 2002 Sales obviously mean SOMETHING, it proves they are more appealing to fans then others. Which Metallica are. right on, short haired preppy kids... they're like Aerosmith, do a song with a rapper to "get over" with the fans again.... I know way too many who say Metallica is great, and only have post 90 material. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shaved Bear Report post Posted July 21, 2002 i used to say they were good just by post justice stuff, then i heard their first 4 albums and I was blown away Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest La Parka Es Mi Papa Report post Posted July 23, 2002 Are you kidding? Kerry King absolutely blows Kirk Hammet out of the water. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest redbaron51 Report post Posted July 23, 2002 Kerry King and Kirk Hammett are both predicitable. Kerry is only a shredder, and shows no emotion in the notes of the guitar and thats it, he has no creativity but shredding on his guitar. Hammett is a pentatonic or finger tapping lover and sometimes both, by being Van Halen and Page combined, but really really bad, hell half his solo's on Kill Em All aren't even his, but Mustaine's. Like Kerry King, Hammett is pretty bland as well. Thats why I love, Petrucci, Vai, Clapton, Hendrix, Satriani, Gilmour, Lifeson, Slash as guitarists...all the solo's they do are different. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest thefrenchargel Report post Posted July 24, 2002 Metallica is obsessed with dragging songs 5 minutes longer than they need to be, like One, Fade to Black, Seek and Destroy, Welcome Home, and especially Blackened..that song only needs to be like a minute long. Slayer gets the point across and leaves it at that, letting the rest of the CD back it up. Not to mention the fact that Kerry King is about 999.6 times better than Kirk Hammet, and the fact that slayer has never put out an album that sucked or was cheesy metal for people who don't like metal. Diabolus in Musica wasn't their best, but God Hates Us All brought them back to the forefront of undisputed kings of thrash. YOU my friend are a TOTAL MORON... "One" is a friggen masterpeice and one of the greatest songs ever recorded. I could further place that argument upon any Met-song you named there. Slayer have never put out a bad album? In '82 they released Show No Mercy. Around the same time Metallica released Kill 'Em All. I DARE you to goto http://www.allmusic.com and do a search on both albums, then tell me what the results are. You'll find that METALLICA blew the living piss threw Slayer, hands down. But if we are gonna go on and talk about Reign in Blood, South of Heaven etc., well thats a much harder debate to argue. You run along back to your 2 minute Britney Spears songs now, won't you? Taker Mark™ I could start this post by calling you a retard and telling you to eat shit, but that would mean I'd have to take it to the No Holds Barred folder, but ANYWAY One is a piece of crap they tried to make into a radio single but neglected to trim off 2 minutes of cheesy 80s solo, hence the ear-piercing crapfest we hear on "Mandatory Metallica" on so many cornball nu metal stations that garner most of their listeners with Staind and Drowning Pool. When you're headbanging along to some of that wicked heavy shit, try picking up a CD by band that has some balls as opposed to liking half of a mediocre band's music. Or are you one of the types that stuck through Blowed and Reblowed? album sales mean as much as potato chip sales when it comes to being talented musicians. Using your example, Britney spears has sold a lot more albums that Metallica, but does that make her a better musician that appeals to a lot more people worldwide? Or does it mean that she is a little bit more successful at marketing her drek to people that don't know any better? As far as 2 minute Britney songs, no thanks there junior, I'll keep my 40 second Nasum songs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Alice_In_Chains_Chick Report post Posted July 27, 2002 Metallica are better than Slayer...but its pretty close I like both of them...If your gonna make a GN'R thread and so on just make an 80's metal thread.......for all the great 80's bands (Scorpions, Ratt, Posion and so on.....) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Respect The 'Taker Report post Posted August 2, 2002 Britney spears has sold a lot more albums that Metallica, but does that make her a better musician that appeals to a lot more people worldwide? ......No she hasn't This has been the Taker Mark Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CoreyLazarus416 Report post Posted August 2, 2002 Actually...'Taker Mark is right. I'm not sure if Britney Spears has yet to see an album go 20x Platinum...because Metallica's Black Album has... Metallica = musical mastery Slayer = heaviness and speed with simple songs I still take Metallica, but I'm a mark for both bands. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shaved Bear Report post Posted August 2, 2002 man, Metallica and Slayer compliment each other perfectly, their styles contrast in a way that if you alternate listening to songs by them, or you listen to slayer, then metallica, it is awesome` Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest redbaron51 Report post Posted August 2, 2002 but we all know who are the true kings of metal are Iron Maiden Motorhead Megadeth Pantera Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
