Discuss your viewpoints #5~!

[Guest EricMM]

"I cannot believe that in the kindergarden class, I'm talking kindergarden, kids are being taught that bisexuals, bisexuals as well as homosexuals are 'normal' or 'healthy'. I think we should change what is taught in schools, because things like this are leading to the moral decline of america."

-Some Fox News report, it was someone from Hannerty and Colmes

 

Perhaps this is one of my greatest arguing points. I get so angry when people are mocked, challanged, or segregated because of what they do behind closed doors. Is sexuality so relevant to today's society that it can somehow corrupt the youth? Will having children exposed to an alternative lifestyle harm them?

 

I am for homosexual couples being able to adopt babies, and anything else they want to do. I CONSTANTLY irritate people who call things "gay"

 

Them: dude that's so gay

Me: you mean stupid

Them: what?

Me: you're saying it's stupid, not homosexual

Them: whatever it's just a word

Me: (tirade)

 

I'd love to call out anyone who thinks that homosexuals are somehow different for loving people their own gender. And support would be welcome too

[Guest Mr. Slim Citrus]

Uh, right. Good luck with that support thing [/sarcasm]

 

I don't think that five year-olds should be taught about sex at all, no matter where you stand on it personally. My son starts school this September, and I certainly don't want him learning about sex in kindergarten, be it hetero- or otherwise.

[Guest EricMM]

I think it was just a lesson that if little timmy has two mommies, he's okay too and he's normal.

 

I think that's it.

 

I didn't blow it out of proportion the conservative did

 

*EDIT* grammar

[Guest Vern Gagne]

These kids are too young for any of this.

 

Know how do I say this without sounding offensive. Being Gay isn't normal. That's not to say a Gay person can't be a normal person, but I don't find the Gay Lifestyle very normal. With that said, if you choose to be homosexual, thats fine with me.

[Guest red_file]

These kids are too young for any of this.

So it was was wrong of me to start thinking about sex when I was five? Damn.

 

If kids have questions about sexuality (at any age) I think they should have those questions answered. I'd hope that those answers would be tempered with some degree of tolerance, but I'm not crossing my fingers.

 

Of course, I'm not in favor of some sort of sex-ed in kindergarden; trying to teach young children about anything serious is almost pointless at that age. But if individual kids want answers to questions they have -- I hardly see the harm in answering them. But then I have no children and hope never to be saddled with any, so my opinion probably shouldn't count for much.

[Guest spiny norman]

OK, I think the kids should learn about it when they're ready for it. Some kids it's earlier then others. It should be given to them when they're ready, but in today's society what if their parent's tell them about it in a homphobic tirade? But I don't think it's really the school's duty, at least not at first.

 

But anyway, I disagree that homosexuality is wrong. I would not say my beliefs are any better then the next person, and to put my beliefs over another's plain wrong. It's the same with religious beliefs, political beliefs etc. It is wrong to put your beliefs as more important than anyone else's. Who says homosexuality is wrong? And they can't help it that they love someone from the opposite sex, they deal with it. More people need to just get over it, it's really immature and arrogant.

[Guest cdstunner66]

I don't think kids should be taught about any sexuality in grade school. It just seems like by doing this, the teachers and schools are robbing these kids of a certain sense of innocence usually associated with being that age. Once they start maturing it's a different story, but there are already enough factors forcing these kids to grow up early, they don't need another one.

That being said, I have no problem at all with homosexuals, if they are cool to me, I'm cool to them. I don't find their lifestyle appealing for myself, but I understand it's not my business and don't push it farther than that. However, the militant homosexuals do bother me. Let me explain. When there was a huge uproar about the St. Patricks Day parade, the militant gay community was screaming discrimination. I don't necessarily see it that way. The underlying issue there was the gays that wanted to march were not going to march and leave their demonstrations at "Irish and proud" like the rest of the marchers. They were going to turn it into yet another gay pride march. To which the organizers said that the parade had absolutely nothing to do with gay pride and that would not be allowed. A stance I agree with. Not everything is about being gay, and that is what the militants have yet to learn. Dennis Miller said that the gays need to become more thick skinned when it comes to being made fun of. Possibly, but there's a line from a horrible movie that fits the militant mind set perfectly.

"If I grab a womans ass and she punches me in the mouth, she's defending her rights. If a fag grabs my ass and I punch his lights out, I'm a homophobe."

I think that quote sums up the problem. Too many homosexuals expect to be treated differently than everyone else. If you disagree with them, well then you're a homophobe and a hatemongerer. Until they realize that they really are no different than anybody else and actually act that way, instead of declaring their normalicy by ramming their sexuality down everyone's throats, no pun intended, there will always be some friction. You don't see any straight pride parades do you?

[Guest EricMM]

I'm really wishing I reworded the first post. It wasn't anything to do with sex, it was families. It was teaching children that if someone had a same sex family, that was "ok" and this conservative was saying that noone should be taught that a same sex family was "ok" because they were "morally corrupt"

 

That being said, I think it's similar to the race issue we had a few days ago, there are some in any minory group, any group PERIOD, that misrepresent the group. Of course some gay people take things too far or blame homophobia on other stuff.

 

But really how many times have you had your ass grabbed by a gay man? I bet never. Women get their asses grabbed all the time buy stupid men, but if a gay man were that stupid he'd be beaten 6236 times by now. Lord, if women were half as prone to violence as men, do you think we men would be as grabby?

[Guest J*ingus]

Homosexuality is such a complicated issue.

 

For example, take the debate over whether it's "natural" or not. On one hand, yes, the human body is anatomically designed for heterosexual intercourse between a male and a female. On the other, there are differences in brain chemistry between straights and gays that do indicate that we are indeed born into our preferences.

[Guest DrTom]

"I'd love to call out anyone who thinks that homosexuals are somehow different for loving people their own gender."

 

Hate to break it you, but they ARE different. That doesn't mean they should be shunned or ostracized, but they ARE definitely different from the heterosexual norm, and to pretend otherwise is intellectually dishonest. I have no problems with gays, though I admit I'm not terribly interested in their agenda.

 

As for the first point you mentioned, kids in kindergarten should not be exposed to discussions of homosexual parents. You might say it's about families, but it always ends up being about gay parents vs straight parents. Kids are insatiably curious at that age, and they're going to wonder exactly why Timmy has two mommies or two daddies when no one else they know does. They're just too young to handle things like that.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

Not even gays like "gay pride" parades. Each one sets back acceptance of homosexuality by about a hundred years.

[Guest NoCalMike]

I think a lot of conservatives are under the the ruze, that someone can be "turned gay" by a suggestion or because it is acceptable in society. That alone is the most ridiculous thing ever. I for one, never DECIDED I was heterosexual, I just hit puberty, saw girls and was attracted to them, I didn't sit down with my dad and have a long drawn out discussion about the wonders of the female body and why I should like it.

 

As far as Kindergarder, no kid should be talking about, the teachers Husband/Wife/boyfriend/girlfriend etc.....period. I don't remember Kindergarden that well, but I don't believe at 5 years old, you honestly care either way. It is more of an adult issue if anything, so leave the decisions up to the adults. No teacher I have ever known has ever gone out of their way to talk about his or her spouse/boyfriend/girlfriend to the students, and this is coming from a guy who went to a school where the baseball coach got a sex change and went from Coach Warfield to Dana Rivers(one year after I graduated).

[Guest GenerationNever]

Maybe it would just be easier to not call homosexuals "gay." It has become an insult EVEN WHEN not referring to homosexuals or homosexuality at all. I think heterosexual/bisexual/homosexual are the best term rather than "straight" and "gay." I don't think you can inherit homosexuality through genes, because homosexuals can't reproduce. I think several things can lead to a homosexual lifestyle.

 

1) Preferance: Some just like the feel of homosexual intercourse.

 

2) Love: Some people can fall in love with EITHER gender, their love isn't based on which their interest is.

 

3) Dislike of the opposite gender: This can occur through many scenarios.

 

4) Differance in body: i.e. Some males having low testosterone can influence them. Although this scenario is rarer than the others.

 

5) Experimenting: These particular people are just "trying" the lifestyle out.

[Guest Vyce]

Homosexuals ARE different. And homosexuality itself is an aberrant lifestyle. It's not "natural" in the sense that it completes the act of reproducing the species, which is what sex, ultimately, is all about.

 

Doesn't mean that homosexuals are wrong or evil people. I have several gay friends, and they're more normal than a lot of people. Myself included.

 

But you're dealing with a subject of which the origin is not clear. Some people say it's a genetic condition, others believe it's a choice. The dominant opinion, I believe (at least in this country), is that it's a voluntary lifestyle and thus is not worthy of the same rights given to other minority groups. That's why you can prevent gay parents from adopting. Try to do that to a black couple, because of their race, and you'd be in real trouble.

 

Not even gays like "gay pride" parades. Each one sets back acceptance of homosexuality by about a hundred years.

 

ABSOLUTELY. It really is the dregs of the gay community.

 

Imagine, all of the homosexual indviduals in our society, working hard for equality and acceptance, and they have too look at "their" parade, featuring a few dozen guys in S&M gear and more transvestites than you'll ever want to see. I heard some nasty things about the recent NYC parade (and by nasty I mean full man-on-man action going on). The normal gay folk are likely appalled, and rightfully so. It's embarassing to be flamboyant just for its own sake.