A thread that was for self-promotion...

[Guest Ironman]

Brick is coming for you~!

[Guest -Cutthroat-]

BONG!

 

*Lightbulb appers over Cutthroat's head*

 

Go to my stats to see what I did...

[Guest HVilleThugg]

For the love of...

 

Ok, I have to say it again....but lay of Thor!

 

I'm sorry, but in my eyes, all parties are wrong here...yes, including you Thor! Here's how I see it, and some of this will just be revisiting what Edwin said a few posts ago.

 

This it YOUR fed...YOUR FED! You control your direction...you control your destiny (for the most part)...you control everything about your character! You can write your character however you want...which means that you can write the fans to react however you want. Very simple and no further explanation needed.

 

Secondly, it IS quite possible for one of the most popular wrestlers to be working the lower to mid card. Look at Spike Dudley (well over), Jeff Hardy (yes, he's midcard!), and some others. You can have the crowd explode when you enter the ring, even if you're a midcarder, especially if you're on the way up. I can even make an excuse for the fans to cheer Cutthroat...citing the underdog role. If you look at Jay Dawg's early career when he was the WF's Cutthroat, he would easily get cheered anytime he got close to beating a top heel....because of the underdog factor! People love to cheer the underdog. I mean fuck...when I was in the midcard, I wrote myself like I was the top heel in the company. Why?...because I felt that I was...and it was certainly realistic becuase it's kind of like the fans are catching on, before the actual booking team...which is what REALLY happens in the WWE. If you look at the successes and failed pushes...the failed ones are the ones that are forced because of either some backstage politics or some skill that management sees. The successes are those that the fans rally behind hardcore, forcing management to move them up the card. An great example is Booker T. He was a main event jobber...no direction....nothing. They stuck him with Goldust, which could have been a heat killer, but they made good shit and the crowd got behind them. Since they were over, management was forced to move them up the card. However, if you look at Bradshaw, they forced a push of him onto the fans, and the fans didn't take...so it bombed.

 

Anyway, back to my point which is, it's possible (and not a bad idea) to write yourself over while you're in the lower to midcard, especially when you're on the way up. THink about it...no one wants to be that wrestler in the company that gets no heat...so don't ask anyone to. We're like a utopia here...everyone's over...because no one joins a fed saying, "Oooo. I want to be a jobber with no heat."

 

Now, Thor...you do have to be realistic, like Edwin said. While you can write yourself over with the fans, you shouldn'e be writing yourself over people like Renegade, CIA, or Mak Francis, how are main eventers. It's cool to have the fans explode when you come to the ring, but they rally behind CIA before you. However, you can have them really get behind you if you're facing Francis because he's a heel and yuou're a face (I think). But if you're against CIA, then you most certainly would not be getting the same kind of reaction. You have to be realistic...it's that simple...it's not about knowing your role, but it's about realistic crowd reactions...because it's those little things that will win you matches when you get to the higher level. Once you reach a certain point, everyone is damn good, so it's the little things like commentary, flow, realistic crowd reactions, that will get you wins. And realistically, if you're going up against CIA, there's no way in hell that you're going to get over him with the fans. I mean, you may have some tight spots where you get some loud crazy pops, but in the end, they will cheer more for CIA than you. But that's only for right now because CIA is still new and hot in the main event scene...and you're still getting over with the fans as a face. Maybe in a little bit, you can start to write them as really getting behind you and then you can play the underdog card, but right now, there's no way you're more over than CIA, Francis, or 'Gade. Sorry...but it's true. So, before you start making yourself "the man" in the JL, think about it realistically and try to picture it. If it's easier this way, map yourself to someone in the WWE, and try to envision the kind of reaction he/she would get.

 

Bottomline, you're character is yours....so none of you can tell anyone how they should write their character. It is not your place!!

 

Da "spoken" H

[Guest Rabbi_wilson13]

I still don't like Thor. Not sure why, but I don't like him.

 

Thugg, always so eloquent with the ramblings. Deserving of a cookie. And maybe some more use of the "ENTER" key.

 

And Edwin, I'd have to disagree. Outcast is over like the Big Show. It's like when he comes out or we read the card its like "Ooo...he's tough! Win for him!" but deep down we know he's going to job.

[Guest Grand Slam]

I think I might throw in a few words on the issue.

 

When I started, I was very careful about how I wrote myself. When i started winning titles, I started writing the crowds hotter. I didn;t actually put the words "the crowd explodes" in my entrance until I had been the WF Champion. I kind of felt like it was my reward for doing well.

 

An incident comes to mind. When I was JL Euro champ and a heel, I had a match agaionst a fairly new guy (no names, don't want anybody mad). I wrote the crowd as sort of paling in comparison to my heat, which I thought was fair. The guy was really upset when my match won, but I felt justified. Why? Because in the real wrestling world, if a guy who just showed up and has been relegated to "opener" status (let's use Rob Conway here) had a match out of nowhere with an established and over heel title holder (for argument's sake, Jaime Noble) his "pop" would be less impressive than the champ's "heat".

 

You gotta earn your massive pops, but this doesn;t mean you can;t have the crowd get behind you in a match. two different things totally.

[Guest SupaTaft]

I know I can ignore the comments of Spike Jenkins and Ironman, cause Spike is completly biased and Ironman hasn't even had a damn match yet.

 

I know see how this shit really works. People don't like me on the site so they automatically blow off my matches as garbage. I might be a fucking asshole but at least I can write a decent match. Also there is instituted in this fed the whole idea of pushing those people who have been here longer, regardless of talent, which is a load of horse shit.

 

I take time out from my busy schedule to write 5000 word matches that nobody even fucking reads. I should have known at least a week into being on the site how things were going to go down. A place where people actually hate Hulk Hogan. You fucking smarks only look at wrestling from the wrestling aspect of it, not appreciating at all what it is meant to be, entertainment.

 

Smarks, who make up a large portion of wrestling fans nowadays, dont want characters that are fun to watch, or have storylines that defy belief. They just want two people wrestling. And that is fucking sad. You people made the Undertaker, who had one of the best fucking gimmicks ever, change into just a normal guy. You refuse to go out on a limb and suspend your reality to believe that a man can cause mystical things to happen.

 

Smarks killed wrestling.

 

So I come here, with a gimmick that is a little old school, and you shit in it. You made me feel like every thing I've worked hard to create to try and entertain people was worthless. Characters that are larger than life were always my favorite ones, I would take the 1990 Undertaker over Benoit any day. I wanted to make a character that would make people believe again. Believe that it might be possible for a man to be the real norse god of thunder. But you fucking smarks shit on it as soon as you read that he was 7 foot, and could do a rolling thunder. Wrestling doesn't have to have much realism in it. But you smarks want every match to be Kobashi vs Kawada every time.

 

Thor is not a technical wrestler. Thor is not a luchador. Thor is not a hardcore fighter. Thor is a hoss and smarks hate hosses. They dont move fast, they cant lock on a fujiwara armbar. They are big tough men who like to throw people around, and to a smark that requires no skill.

 

Often times I find myself wishing I had a character more close to myself. Someone who I could really relate with and could make him a better performer because of it. But I would be an average wrestler. So I wanted to make people believe again, but now there is no hope.

 

I really want to have fun here, but you people cant appreciate anything I do. I'm still gonna write, but I wont look at it the same way now. I wont be posting much anymore. I do hope however that you people will look at my post here and anylize yourselves a little bit. Are you a wrestling fan? Or are you a smark? If you answer the latter I pity you. You cannot truly understand wrestling, or even really enjoy it. If you are a fan, then it is you who I will still try to make believe.

 

For those who want to talk to me, you can PM me or catch me on AIM.

 

-Taft

[Guest Coffin Surfer]

Smarks killed wrestling.

 

So I come here, with a gimmick that is a little old school, and you shit in it. You made me feel like every thing I've worked hard to create to try and entertain people was worthless. Characters that are larger than life were always my favorite ones, I would take the 1990 Undertaker over Benoit any day. I wanted to make a character that would make people believe again. Believe that it might be possible for a man to be the real norse god of thunder. But you fucking smarks shit on it as soon as you read that he was 7 foot, and could do a rolling thunder. Wrestling doesn't have to have much realism in it. But you smarks want every match to be Kobashi vs Kawada every time.

 

Thor is not a technical wrestler. Thor is not a luchador. Thor is not a hardcore fighter. Thor is a hoss and smarks hate hosses. They dont move fast, they cant lock on a fujiwara armbar. They are big tough men who like to throw people around, and to a smark that requires no skill.

 

 

-Taft

What the Hell are you talking about? I find it to be quite the opposite here. Me, Ced, and T-Bone are like the only puro marks here. Flesher seems more of an American junior fan(correct me if I'am wrong Tom) The rest seem to be WWE Marks.

 

I write Kawada/Kobashi style matches, and it wasn't until my final weeks in the SJL that the marks started to get them. Hell, I don't think most people have even seen Kawada until my sig and avatar pick. I had to establish in my match, and with my serious commentary that it was puro, and meant to be taken serious.

 

Like Z establishes that his matches are fun joke matches. You need to establish that your matches are fun cheesy matches.

 

But frankly I've found that it doesn't matter what type of match you write. As long as it's well writing and exciting it will win.

 

Frost is a Hoss, and he is one of the most succesful wrestlers in the federation. Rane was a Hoss and he's a legend.

 

Don't be bitter about people not liking your character. Sure I bitch alot, when I lose close matches, but it's more out of a fun and an attempt to learn from my mistakes than being bitter towards the marker.

 

 

AND SMARKS DIDN'T KILL WRESTLING! THEY KEPT IT ALIVE FOR DECADES, EVEN BEFORE THE TERM WAS INVENTED! WHEN THE MARKS GET BORED AND DECIDE WRESTLING ISN'T COOL ANYMORE, THEY TUNE OUT! MEANWHILE THE SMARKS ALWAYS WATCH, EVEN THOUGH THEY HATE IT, BECAUSE THEY LOVE WRESTLING THAT DAMN MUCH.

 

This board wasn't always on the smark forum anyway. So the only smarks here are the new comers, not the old timers marking the matches.

[Guest -Cutthroat-]

Thor, a few things...

 

You CAN'T be the top face in the biz as you say. You really can't be The God of Thunder and say your a big face. Those like are two diffrent charicters. Other than that you have a cool charicter and when given the chance you could go pretty far. Everything else you said was just yourself being angry...

[Guest Renegade]

Thor, a few things...

 

You CAN'T be the top face in the biz as you say.

Thats rich coming from someone who has himself as "one of the most popular men in the SJL"

[Guest -Cutthroat-]

'Gade, Do really thing being a God of Thunder is anything like being a top face.

[Guest kelloggs]

And to bring this topic back to the original point...

 

Read this JL show as it should be very good. It better be at least.

 

Do it for the Franchise.

 

M. "mother f'er should read our show" Francis

[Guest Insane Clown Dan]

Holy shit, it's starting to become more and more apparent now...

 

CUTTHROAT'S HOLDING EVERYBODY DOWN~!

 

Eh, j/k people. Anyway... uh... *cannot remember what we were doing. bad... memory...*

[Guest Renegade]

'Gade, Do really thing being a God of Thunder is anything like being a top face.

Do really thing? You mean "Do i really think" don't you? It really doesn't matter what gimmick or name you have (perhaps with the exception of jiggalo joe), if you churn out the good matches, you are over whether you want to be over in a heel or face sense.

[Guest -Cutthroat-]

Uh...alright this thread has gotten so off topic that I don't know what the posts are about anymore...

[Guest Ace309]

Rene: I believe Cutthroat's trying to say that he uses the "top face" thing as his gimmick... just for an example, Lex Luger in NWCWA never really had a gimmick per se that I can recall, and he was pushed largely based on his popularity.

[Guest TheBostonStrangler]

Jeez guys, chill out. Anyone remember what the point of this fed is? Anyone? Well, just about everyone that's posted here seems to have forgotten that this is supposed TO BE FUN. FUN. Getting in flame wars with people, constantly arguing with others, and being jackasses overall isn't going to let ANYONE have fun. I do this because I legitimately enjoy writing these matches. I've become burned out a couple of times, so I stopped doing it, because there's no point in forcing yourself to continue doing something that you don't want to do.

 

My point? Well, Thor, you and Spike don't get along. Accept that and move on. You two are always arguing with each other. I don't know who starts it, I don't know what it starts over, but it continues, so you're both at fault for that. You need to ignore each other if you can't figure out how to co-exist. The last thing you want to have in this fed is someone who you can't get along with to save your life. I've found myself in situations like that before, and I managed to work through it. It makes this place a LOT more enjoyable when there isn't legitimate hatred involved.

 

As for the matter of heat in matches: I think that Grand Slam was the closest to being right. I think you have to look at your role in the company, and figure out where someone of your stature would be in the WWE, since that's what most people base this fed and their characters on (with the definite exception of Danny). Now, if you're the TV champ, odds are you won't get incredible heat. You're a low-ranking champ, odds are you're new to the company, and odds are your character hasn't done much of anything to get over in one way or the other. Now, if you're involved in angles, then your heat goes up, just like in the WWE. If you have titles, your heat goes up, just like in the WWE. If you have a charismatic character, your heat will be higher. Booker T will always get more pops than Albert because of the difference in natural charisma. Thor, I have no idea what your character's charisma is, I don't know what titles you've held or hold currently, or what angles you've participated in. But I do know that you're fairly new to the company, you're in the TV, maybe Euro, division, and that you most certainly AREN'T the #1 face. Don't write yourself as something you aren't. Now, if you're working your way up the card, then write yourself as that. But don't write yourself as the Rock when you're Bubba Ray. Don't write yourself as Kurt Angle when you're Chris Nowinski. It's that simple. Write yourself as what you are. Use some common sense, and everything works out just fine. And no more bitching.

[Guest -Cutthroat-]

Um, Tom, what are you talking about? And TBS, you're in a way going back on what 'Thug said...

[Guest -Cutthroat-]

Alright, SOMEBODY just lock this thread...

[Guest 5_moves_of_doom]

This board wasn't always on the smark forum anyway. So the only smarks here are the new comers, not the old timers marking the matches.

Soooo.....since it's CALLED the Smarks, then ONLY Smarks are aloud, and Smarks aren't aloud in the IGNWF? There's smarks EVERYWHERE.

[Guest HollywoodSpikeJenkins]

Holy shit, it's starting to become more and more apparent now...

 

CUTTHROAT'S HOLDING EVERYBODY DOWN~!

Its so true.

 

 

Im a victim of the glass ceiling....

 

 

'Hollywood' Spike 'Cutthroat is standing on my head because the glass broke' Jenkins

[Guest Ironman]

Pfft...

 

Can somebody sum up those long posts for me?

 

Yeah, fuck you too.

[Guest Edwin MacPhisto]

I'll take care of it, Ironman.

 

Thor: is not pleased because he sees the community as too smarkish and not able to enjoy a more old-school gimmick.

 

Danny: wonders what Thor is talking about, since Danny is one of the few puro-type smarky guys here, while the rest of base most of our wrestling off American-style.

 

Cutthroat: says some random things that I have not yet come to understood.

 

Renegade: puts Cutthroat in his place.

 

Flexxx: somehow appears even though I thought he had melted.

 

Strangler: spanks the debate and reinforces the logical explanations that Thugg and Stevens have already laid out.

 

So, uh, you really haven't missed much.

[Guest Coffin Surfer]

This board wasn't always on the smark forum anyway. So the only smarks here are the new comers, not the old timers marking the matches.

Soooo.....since it's CALLED the Smarks, then ONLY Smarks are aloud, and Smarks aren't aloud in the IGNWF? There's smarks EVERYWHERE.

No, that's not really what I'am saying . What I'am saying is since Thor was brought to a place called THE SMARTMARKS, he got the impression that the place was ran by a bunch of SMARKS.

 

Which it may be, but from what I gather most of the head markers here are MARKS. Some like HHH for crying out loud. I've been to the IGN wrestling forms, and with a few exceptions most of them were Marks. So I'll asume.............Bah the hell with this. I thought my point was clear.

 

 

BTW, my point is just because were on the Smart Marks forums, it doesnt mean it's ran by nothing but holier than thou smart marks. Since this place came from the IGN boards, where most people didn't even know what a smark was(Or at least thats what I gather from visits at the WWF forum). But since were at the Smart Marks forums, chances are most of the newcomers consider themselves smarks(Like ME).

[Guest Ironman]

Ehh.. who gives a shit?

 

Oh and we're all Smarks to all the WWE backstage shit. I don't know anyone here who doesn't know about HHH and the Kliq and all of that bull..

 

But I guess everyone is called a Mark if they are entertained by the WWE and don't diss it at every opportunity.

[Guest Grand Slam]

If I may...

 

I am not a Smark. In general, I think Smarks are far too negative and complain about the WWE because it is popular. Same goes for all of the people who hate HHH and The Rock. I am a mark who happens to follow some of the backstage news and rumors because I find it makes watching the TV shows more interesting.

 

Thor: I think your character is fucking great. Don't listen to people who tell you that an old-school gimmick can't get over. When I started, people read my stats (go read them, they aren't much different) and said three things. 1.) A guy my size couldn't do a moonsault. Notice it is still in my moveset. 2.) The Pedigree was a stupid finisher and the name "Walk-Off" was even worse. Regardless of what you think of the Pedigree, the Walk-Off became a signature finisher and served me well. 3.) People said my gimmick was "straight of of mid 1980's WWF", "Stupid", "Like Duke "The Dumpster" Droese only with baseball instead of garbageman" and "It will never ever get over, you should change the gimmick. So I say to them, and you, only this: "Grand Slam" Mark Stevens, two-time SWF World Champion. I think that says it all.

 

Write what you want to write. Have fun. Good Luck.

[Guest Beingz0wningj00]

Yeah... we picked on old Marky here pretty hardcore. B)