HHH's comments on the midcarders

[Guest cabbageboy]

Check out what I just read HHH say about his views on the midcarders and their push/lack of push:

 

"I'm concerned about it, but I'm not overly concerned about it," he said. "I want the guys to understand that this is not WCW. There is no, 'These are the guys, and nobody else gets a shot.' You make your own way here. The one thing that guys need to realize – as everybody else does – is that being in someplace a long time doesn't mean you deserve anything. One of the things that kills me about the guys who write the so-called dirt, and all that stuff, is when they put out, 'That guys has been there a long time. He deserves a push.' You know how you get a push in this business? Going out every night and performing so good that they have no choice but to use you. It's not a thing of you just hanging around and biding your time, and sooner or later you get a push."

 

Ok, where do I begin?  Let's see, I'd say Rob Van Dam has in fact made his own way in the WWF without much support from the office, and has earned his push by performing so well that the office had to push him.  Yet HHH comes back and has him totally buried.

 

HHH himself was a guy who had been in the WWF for about 5 YEARS before the front office basically said "let's give the guy a serious push."  I can assure you that he was not pushed due to busting his ass and performing so well that they had to push him.  He was a big dude with nice hair, and once he was pushed eventually developed into a good wrestler.

 

Thoughts?

[Guest scratch]

My thoughts?  Triple H is no better than Hall, Nash, Hogan or HBK.  Fuck him.

 

Scratch

[Guest Ihatesmarksandmarks]

yawn...another rvd/HHH conspiracy thread, wake me when its over

[Guest dreamer420]

yawn...another rvd/HHH conspiracy thread, wake me when its over

This guy is good.

[Guest HellSpawn]

yawn...another rvd/HHH conspiracy thread, wake me when its over

Excellent my friend.

[Guest Big McLargeHuge]

Oh, boy. Another 'I'm not a smark...no really, I'm not.' types. Keep telling yourself that.

 

HHH - I don't know what to think of this guy, sometimes.

[Guest dreamer420]

What?

[Guest Ihatesmarksandmarks]

oooooook bigmac.....:::shakes head::::

[Guest Dangerous A]

What is the source of HHH making comments about midcarders coming from? For all we know this could've come from some smark who hates HHH so much that they will do anything, including fabricate what the man may or may not have said. (and there are a ton of smarks that would do such a thing,bps21 comes to mind) God bless Ihatesmarksandmarks, he pretty much hit it on the head.

[Guest The Vanilla Midget]

great post cabbageboy, but its rvd/trips again, and all of us (except those smarks who are trying to tell themselves they are marks in order to be *cool*) pretty much agree with what you said.  because if what trips said had any meaning, rvd should be experiencing a *monster* push as we speak.

[Guest Ihatesmarksandmarks]

gee u smarks are just FULL of consiparcies arent you?? Yeah im just pretending to be cool, im really a full blown smark who just bitches about the mid card and cant enjoy one god damn thing. Christ vanilla even ur picture has the word conspiracy in it.....go jack off to ur dave meltzer dirt sheets and consipracy theories while i try to actually enjoy the show.

[Guest Seth Monroe]

From what I remember HHH was just a lackey for HBK until Sean retired than his push was due to the fact that the DX angle was still very marketable and proifitable so they gave him the ball as the new leader. He ran with it so yes he did earn his push.

 

From what I see the WWF is bending over backwards giving guys a chance. I've seen good airtime for Albert, Test, Scotty 2 Hotty, Billy and Chucky. They are getting the time. If they can't WOW the fans than Trips is right it's their own fault.

 

RVD pushed himself with his cheap gestures to the crowd (and skill in ring) the back likes to make the call on pushes so guys like Johnny Ace got pissed at him. Looks like he's in the mid to upper card status anyway so what's the complaint??

 

Nice board guys.

 

Take it easy.

[Guest AM The Kid]

Was this on WWF.com, if not...it's probably not true.

[Guest The Vanilla Midget]

gee u smarks are just FULL of consiparcies arent you?? Yeah im just pretending to be cool, im really a full blown smark who just bitches about the mid card and cant enjoy one god damn thing. Christ vanilla even ur picture has the word conspiracy in it.....go jack off to ur dave meltzer dirt sheets and consipracy theories while i try to actually enjoy the show.

lol, i really enjoyed last night's show if you are intersted.  and big deal, my pic has the word "conspiracy" in it, its just a funny pic, and there really *was* a conspiracy against jericho in wcw.  i dont subscribe to meltzer or any other newsletter, its a waste of money, and big deal if i actually *care* about seeing the wrestlers i like on tv.  last night was good because there was no one individual who totally dominated the broadcast (eg last weeks raw), and while there wasnt a great deal of wrestling, the main was long, watchable and clean.  and if you hate smarks *and* marks, what are you?? a smart? a mark? or a smark? you are just full of contradictions.

[Guest CoreyLazarus416]

I think there's a simple reason why RVD's push ended when HHH returned...

 

THE OFFICE DIDN'T FEEL THE NEED TO PUSH HIM.

 

When you have one of the top guys in your company of the past 3 years making a return, a much-anticipated return at that, there's really no need to elevate anybody knew, is there?

 

The fans still respond to Austin. They still respond to HHH. They still respond to The Rock. And yes, they do respond to RVD.

 

Quit being Oliver Stone wannabe's, dammit!

[Guest Tony149]

I read on 1wrestling.com that HHH did an interesting interview on WWF.com. So it probably came from WWF.com.

[Guest goodhelmet]

"I read on 1wrestling.com that HHH did an interesting interview on WWF.com. So it probably came from WWF.com."

 

1wrestling? not the best place for news (when's Bret Hart coming back?)

 

"I think there's a simple reason why RVD's push ended when HHH returned...THE OFFICE DIDN'T FEEL THE NEED TO PUSH HIM."

 

That's just cutting off your nose to spite your face.

 

"When you have one of the top guys in your company of the past 3 years making a return, a much-anticipated return at that, there's really no need to elevate anybody knew, is there?"

 

Umm yes there is. What happens when HGH tears another muscle, Rock makes another movie, Hogan and Nash break a hip and Hall gets a DWI, and Angle is gearing up for the Olympics? Shit happens to wrestlers and if the promoter was smart, they would elevate talent and put them in positions of being able to carry the ball when unexpected events occur. Thw WCW failed to realize that and were left with a bunch of guys with no credibility to carry the torch while the "draws" were sitting at home for whatever reason.

[Guest The Vanilla Midget]

totally right goodhelmet.  i mentioned this in another thread, that it is laughable that there is really no face ready to step up into a fued with kurt angle for wrestlemania.  this is a joke, because the midcard faces have had very little work put into them.  the only one who could possibly do it is rvd, but then he would have to be pushed, and there is also no logical fued.

[Guest teke184]

The main problem the WWF has had recently is tied to the long layover they took between mid-December and the Royal Rumble.  Pretty much every storyline running at the time (Jericho-RVD, Austin-Booker, Rock-Test, etc.) was thrown out, except for Regal-Edge, and RVD's push completely disappeared again.  However, this could probably be blamed on the writers losing interest in what they were doing before the break rather than jumping on conspiracies involving HHH, Steph, and other powerful forces in the WWF.

[Guest goodhelmet]

" Pretty much every storyline running at the time (Jericho-RVD, Austin-Booker, Rock-Test, etc.) was thrown out, except for Regal-Edge, and RVD's push completely disappeared again.  However, this could probably be blamed on the writers losing interest in what they were doing before the break rather than jumping on conspiracies involving HHH, Steph, and other powerful forces in the WWF."

 

And if I was a fan watching the wrestling during this time, I would be PISSED that these stories were thrown out. WCW used to pull that crap. Start a story and never finish. And I'm supposed to be happy because they gave me one exciting RAW? How about pulling together some compelling, episodic tv that makes sense over a 6 month period and augment that with GOOD-GREAT wresttling?!?!

[Guest LooseCannon]

Was this on WWF.com, if not...it's probably not true.

 

 

It is on WWF.com.

[Guest The Vanilla Midget]

The main problem the WWF has had recently is tied to the long layover they took between mid-December and the Royal Rumble.  Pretty much every storyline running at the time (Jericho-RVD, Austin-Booker, Rock-Test, etc.) was thrown out, except for Regal-Edge, and RVD's push completely disappeared again.  However, this could probably be blamed on the writers losing interest in what they were doing before the break rather than jumping on conspiracies involving HHH, Steph, and other powerful forces in the WWF.

some of the storylines were thrown out inexplicably (jericho-rvd) but others (rock-test) were just filler minifueds to take up some time.  there was a long time (6 weeks) between vengeance and the rumble, and while they probably could have had full fueds going, they probably ran a number of quick fueds to keep the tv fresh and interesting.  as for the jericho-rvd fued, that was dropped, but was probably nothing sinister against rvd, rather, it was probably motivated by getting jericho over more (rock higher profile than rvd) as by then they must have started planning jericho in the main at mania.

[Guest Ihatesmarksandmarks]

is that ALL u guys talk about is RVD and why HHH is an ass?

[Guest The Vanilla Midget]

lol, you *cannot* forget the constant pimping of storm/benoit, or the nwo is evil because... but who cares if that is what we talk about.  its the big "news" for us at the moment.  its like last year after september 11, thats all people spoke about.  (its nowhere near the same magnitude i admit, but it is still the same basic principle, we have been drawn into discussion about it, and it is a major issue for us).

[Guest goodhelmet]

"is that ALL u guys talk about is RVD and why HHH is an ass?"

 

no, we talk about the current wrestling product of which these two guys are a part of.

 

We also talk about the NWO and the negative consequences associated with their arrival. We also talk aboot the piss-poor writing of Stephanie McMahon and the nonsensical storylines of the product. We also discuss in-ring psychology, moves of other wrestlers and a host of other topics.

[Guest Carbon Tiger]

"is that ALL u guys talk about is RVD and why HHH is an ass?"

 

Oh and some, like me, spend their time pimping guys like Kawada and Kobashi

 

Nagata for IWGP Champion !

[Guest suckfreecomix]

Id that all ihatesmarksandmarks does is go around and criticize threads and opinions?

 

If so...that's called a troll.

 

And trolls get banned.

 

Add something or don't reply.

 

NOW...

 

Austin/Booker never reached a conclusion and that's a shame.  My only guess is that without ending the feud...Booker didn't have to come away a loser again.  Same thing for RVD/Jericho.

 

Maybe we should give the WWF the benefit of the doubt on this one...as neither Booker or RVD had to job...which would have been inevitable in those feuds.

[Guest The Vanilla Midget]

i agree suckfreecomix, though your logic on both booker and rvd is somewhat lost considering that the wwf has jobbed rvd to regal and edge, and booker to fucking *everybody* (spike dudley, gimme a break).  if they were pushed following it would all be cool, but they havent, so jump to your own conclusions.

[Guest suckfreecomix]

That's a good point.

 

I guess the only answer is...Who the fuck knows why the WWF does what they do?

[Guest Brian]

The WWF's version of earning your way is paying your dues. Face it. Jericho was as over as RVD when he rolled up HHH but he had to earn his way. It's not politics, it's the way the system is. They always test the waters on a psuh every once in a while.