HHH's comments on the midcarders

[Guest Ihatesmarksandmarks]

once again the smarkpolice has returned....suckfreecomix, and yes i am critczing peoples opinons isnt that the whole point of this board?? Cant take it suckfree? than go home.....everything is not all nice and pretty. And the ONLY thing ive seen u do is flame me for opinons and discussions that have nothing to do with you!

[Guest TheBigBadBootyDaddy]

wow vanilla, lets all just justify bitching for no reason because of 9/11

 

 

suckfreecomix, all you do is spout shit you heard from bps, he used almost word for word the same argument elsewhere

 

I DO add things.  Apparently you dont read when I talk about LIKING THE SHOW.  Because I guess adding things means you have to bitch and moan about RVD

[Guest El Satanico]

:raises hand:

 

Um excuse me Mister...isn't he probably already at his home?

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

LOL...

[Guest Slingshot Suplex]

It seems to me the WWF works this way.Give a guy a push at first to get him the exposure and then pull back the reigns for a while.Eventually he'll get the sustained push.Van Dam has been there less than a year.He'll get his run in the top tier especially considering how over he's stayed.I would expect it sometime in the summer assuming the NWO bit will have stalled by then.

[Guest The Vanilla Midget]

i wasnt justifying bitching, i was justifying *discussion.*  if you want to label it as bitching then fine, but what i was trying to convey was that this *issue* has become the focus of discussion for better or worse on this board.  the rvd thing has gotten out of hand *again* (remember anglympic slam v the world) on the old board, but there is absolutely nothing constructive happening, because whenever discussion is being had, people immediately come in and start flaming about them being smarks.  its the fucking smarkboard, and some smarks like to discuss the conspiracies behind their favourite wrestlers being held down.  if you cant handle us behaving as smarks on the smarkboard, you should probably go elsewhere.

[Guest goodhelmet]

"I DO add things.  Apparently you dont read when I talk about LIKING THE SHOW.  Because I guess adding things means you have to bitch and moan about RVD  "

 

Why did you like the show? What was entertaining to you? Did you watch the NWO in 1997? What's so different?

 

If we watch the show and aren't entertained , isn't this the perfect forum to discuss those frustrations? If we prefer another wrestler over another (like RVD) isn't this board the perfect place to express that opinion?

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I know that I'll get flamed for getting involved in all this RVD talk...

 

The thing of it is this:  RVD is as over as Jericho when he got to the WWF...and Jericho got the IC belt 4 months after his debut.  So you knew that the WWF cared/was planning on utilizing him.

 

RVD Main Evented a PPV...and then dissapeared completely...2 minutes in the rumble match WTF?

 

If they gave him the IC belt it would show that he is considered useful to the WWF...and he's certainly over enough to deserve that.

 

 

And TheBigBadBootyDaddy:

 

"suckfreecomix, all you do is spout shit you heard from bps, he used almost word for word the same argument elsewhere"

 

The reason those arguments are the same is they both employ a thing called LOGIC.

 

Stop trolling.

[Guest Spaceman Spiff]

You know how you get a push in this business? Going out every night and performing so good that they have no choice but to use you

And this explains how the Godfather and Goldust are back on TV every week?

And this explains how we get women's matches on TV in the final hour or half-hour, while guys like DDP and Lance Storm get little-to-no time?

And this explains how Hurricane hasn't appeared on Raw or Smackdown in at least a month, depsite getting pops and making the gimmick work?

 

It's kinda self-defeating: guys aren't given the chance (or very little chance), so they *can't* get over.  And when they do, chances are, if they aren't "homegrown", they are at a disadvantage.

 

If only there was some way to merge the WWF main event with the WCW midcard.  That would be my perfect federation...

[Guest]

Remember about 3-5 months ago about 60% of this board said that RVD was pushed TOO hard and he should be de-pushed becuase he was cutting people open hard-away?  Be careful what you wish for.  Ahhhh, the irony.

[Guest Loss4Words]

Why does everyone blame HHH every time someone doesn't get pushed? Why does it always go back to him? Geez, no one will ever be happy with HHH unless he jobs in the opening match and gets in no offense for the rest of his career. Then, people would still complain because he'd get that valuable three minutes of TV time every week. What does he have to do to get the fucking monkey off of his back?

[Guest cabbageboy]

You guys have taken this in the wrong direction.  I meant it more to show that HHH is a complete hypocrite than to start another RVD/HHH thread.  I brought up RVD because he is the most glaring example of a guy HHH SHOULD like (in that he busted his ass on his own and thrilled fans) but isn't getting a push, while HHH himself would be a guy that he should hate (since he was basically a JTTS that got a big push because he had been there a long time).

 

That said, I'm not calling for RVD to main event again next week or anything, I just want to see the guy treated with some respect.  A guy that mains a PPV one week should not be jobbing to a mediocre IC champ the next.  Or getting tossed from the Rumble in 2 minutes.  Or going down to Regal's brass knucks of doom when everyone within the definition of sanity knows he'd be a better IC champ than Regal.  I'm not asking for them to put him over Austin, Rock, etc.  I never did (but I was delighted).  Some of the things they have done with RVD lately--since HHH got back--have been a deliberate attempt to humiliate him and kill his heat.  You have to ask yourself:  did Edge get any more over from beating RVD?  Not really.  Did Regal?  No, it was a cheap finish.  Did HHH get anymore over from tossing him at the Rumble?  No.  These were things done merely to kill RVD's heat and benefitted no one.  And that my friends is one of two things, either a conspiracy or retarded booking.

[Guest Colls126]

I don't know.  Sometimes I listen to this board and think there's a Triple H conspiracy.  Sometimes I watch TV and I realize that the conspiracy theory is somewhat ridiculous.

 

Everyone around here thought Triple H was a God until he came back and started looking rusty in his first few matches.  That's when the "Trips held everyone back" threads started anyway.  I don't necessarily believe that.

 

The truth is that Triple H worked hard to get where he was.  He got his first push when his DX leadership took off.  But he got his real push after that, his push to the main event.  He did work well to get where he was.  To say he got lucky simply isn't true.  

 

That being said, I think there's some truth in the WWF system of tenure.  If you've been here, you get pushed.  If you've just come in, you have to gain the boys trust.  That's what led to poor morale in WCW.  People who had been in WCW for years were slighted in favor of people just came in and were shoved to the main event promptly.  It's Hogan syndrome (circa '94) and the Goldberg syndrome.

 

Rob Van Dam needs to gain the boys' trust completely.  He was a terrible "wrestler" in ECW and stalled too damn much.  That's why I never latched on to RVD like everyone else did.  He came to the WWF and was sloppy in a few matches with a respected worker like Kurt Angle and busted him open hardway a few times.  At least he still got TV time.  Most guys would have been sent down to OVW or the HWA.  It's a testament to RVD that he was over enough to overcome that.

 

Besides, there are a lot of guys worse off than RVD in their first year.  He's already main evented a PPV and had matches with nearly every top guy in the company.  He got a visible fall over the World Champion on the company's main show.

 

If RVD won the title now, it would negate his future promise.  They need to build him so fans don't see him as a one-hit wonder.  He'll get a nice I-C title reign and then get moved up, just like what they're doing to Edge (who paid his dues as a tag member) and what they did with guys like Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, Kevin Nash, Steve Austin, and the Rock.  It'll maximize his drawing power.

 

Just as well, doesn't this make as much sense as any Triple H conspiracy theory?  Maybe the WWF moved RVD back down because they're goal is to build wrestlers up, then use that heat to try and transfer heat to another set of wrestler lower on the card.  It builds up everyone.  It worked for Edge and Regal.  Both benefitted from working a short program with RVD earlier in the month.

 

Triple H is a legitimate main eventer.  RVD is just about to hit his peak and will be a main eventer soon just like Jericho and the prized Chris Benoit.  Everyone should relax.

[Guest cabbageboy]

Well, as far as RVD's previous ECW stint goes, I also disliked his stalling and posing.  I even wrote a letter which in part addressed this issue and got a reply from Heyman saying that it was much like Flair's strutting, that it was his gimmick.  

 

The irony of all these "RVD is being held back" threads is that he has actually been held back LESS in the WWF than he was in ECW!  In the WWF there are guys who are probably bigger stars than RVD, so to some extent him not main eventing is justified.  In ECW there was absolutely no excuse for him not main eventing and holding the world title.  I maintain to this day that ECW would still be in business had Heyman just put the title on RVD and not put the title on heatless wonders like Awesome and Credible.  Hell, in the WWF he has wrestled virtually every big time wrestler and has victories over most of them, as well as looking strong in world title shots.  In ECW he never even got a world title shot, which still pisses me off.

 

Seriously, the only promoter that screwed up worse than Heyman is Gagne.  This guy refused to put the title on Hogan, and you know what happened there.