A one syringe salute for Vincent K. McMahon

[Guest 4Life]

by Tom Zenk

Looks to me that Super Vince has become a bit of a limp dick in his old age. I’m not talking steroid induced shriveled cojones from all those years of taking legal steroids for announcing. I’m talking serious senile detumescence. I’m talking putting the ‘F’ back into FLACCID. In short, Vinny can’t get it up no more, after the XFL fiasco and all the ridicule heaped on him by the national media.

 

Instead, HHH, Steph and Gnash, seem to be running things to suit themselves. If a guy happens to get a little steam, looks good, they beat him right away. So where's VKM and the formula these days? Maybe he needs an ass kicker. Nah! You could never get inside the inner circle of phonies, lackeys and ass lickers VKM employs just to tell him how great he is. Disappointed old men who get their kicks from playing fuck with younger guys.

 

Vinny’s as old and tired and played-out as his old-man (Vince senior) was, back when Vince and Linda grabbed the company off him. He’s so old he doesn't connect with a young audience anymore. The Y Generation bailed long ago. 35% have stopped watching Smackdown and another 19% stopped watching RAW this year (Neilsen). That leaves most of Vinny’s audience clustered in the X and old baby boomer generations (like the dying days of the WCW).

 

The problem is, if Vinny keeps catering to his current aging audience (with Hogan, Flair, NWO, Heartbreak Kid, Bischoff, etc), the Y-Gen are gonna bail in even bigger numbers. Yet, if he doesn't use the old whore horses, where's the star power gonna come from? They've trivialized the WWE mid card. There’s no WCW or ECW to poach from. And remember how he trashed WCW/ECW 'star-power' through 2001.

 

That leaves Vinny with established stars on their last knees (HHH, Taker, Austin, etc), a trivialized, goofy mid card, and development workers too green to carry the show.

 

Rock bottom …

The only way I can see things go from here is for WWE to hit rock bottom - like WWE stock, trading at all time lows of $8.90. Let it run it's course Let HHH, Big Steph, Shane and the rest compete with each other for control of the show. Vince can't take a trick.... name one recent success for WWE? They have no competition. They have no ratings that show interest. They have no obvious star power. It's way past time for Vinny to turn over the reins and bow out with what remains of his reputation intact. The kids can't do much worse and at least they get in a little training before Vinny rolls off the log.

 

 

 

 

 

 

"roll another fatty to shoot up the pimp daddy"

 

And when the time comes – and it can’t be long - I think we should give VKM a one-syringe salute, maybe a hotshot? Like the 1 can salute he gave Stone Cold. So load it up for Vinny the Pooh... Doctor Zahorian says a full 3cc's. Don't waste the needle. Use the whole barrel. Fill it to the brim. Leave him with the only business interest he’s up to with all the young "sweet cheeks" on the shows, a little monkey business!! Hey, who knows - the shot plus a little Viagra could finally put a little lead in his pencil, give him a boost, the youth cocktail. So roll a big fatty to shoot up the pimp daddy...pimpin' and getting wood ain't easy at 60!

 

Failing that, I suggest Vinny borrow some motion lotion from Jericho or have Gnash get some special lotion for the young chicks Vinny mauls on TV (all the time). Gnash has sympathy and TIME (plenty of it), while Vince has the BILLIONS, right? Gnash was a skirt chaser, DDP's a chick magnet, with that golden tongue, pearly white smile, sympathy too. Hey, maybe even call up ATM Eric? He gave away free money and likes to watch. Yeah ... all the COOL guys hanging together, the best of the best, talking about how to save WWE...... the past is the past, turn the other cheek, forgive and forget, RIGHT? or.... How do you beat a fool? Become a fool yourself!! Oops you already are. I just love that Vinny. Guess who’s laughing now, besides Ted Turner?

 

Eerily correct predictions ...continued

This column 02/02/02

 

"I’m predicting the NWO bombs in the first few months, with Vince using the failure as a trigger to punish Hall, Hash…. and, if he can hook him, Bischoff.

Bischoff may be gloating at the sorry sight of VKM recycling his old NWO angle to make money and ratings, but my guess is Vince is already planning the last laugh. You’ve seen it in gangster movies. Saddam did it to his sons in law. Now we get to see it on RAW. "

 

So VKM and his master plan of sending the NWO south to Turnerworld followed by the lethal hotshot at the shoo-in gallery really worked after all.

VKM sure had us fooled with that Aussie interview -"when you cross that line that's not good. Eric Bischoff crossed that line". This week the VP from Turnerworld signed on the dotted line at Wackeyworld. The ultimate 'fuck you' message to Steve Austin and a final nutshot for the ole south - getting the "F" flair out of WWF while Easy "E" eases into WWE. ....Meanwhile Big Steph gets her way, back on TV and into our hearts and our homes. Fat Eric versus Crips/ Stephanie McMoron. Gee I wonder who'll win. Looks like Vinny won't even dirty his hands with EB. Get a junior McMahon to do the job. EB beat by a woman...the ultimate triumph for VKM. The final humiliation of Eric Bischoff. I can't get enough of that Vinny!

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As predicted here, Nash has decided to take a little more time off. Altogether Big Lazy will be averaging about 5 matches a year by the time he comes back from his current injury. Good con if you can get it.! And just look how easy Gnash got injured for 750,000.00 per year. That's even a better con than Turner cash. And I thought Vince was smarter? Perhaps the dosage is too high for a 43 year old? Some guys are slow learners. Some never learn ... ask HHH!! The frequent injuries today may well result from sky high dosages of low grade stuff from Mexico, HGH or simply the pressure to be huge, keep your spot and stay on top. That means more injured ‘top’ talent still to come this year. Recommended reading - Sports Illustrated article on steroids - June 3, 2002, volume 96, no 23 page 34-48.

 

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Meltzer nails the big southern lie…..

Sometimes history takes a while to get written. Last week Meltzer etched a little part of WCW history in stone …. The big lie - propagated by Dusty, Watts, Anderson, Bischoff, Nash and all the rest of the dumb fucks who killed the best chance wrestling ever had under Ted Turner. The big lie that - “it was the Turner suits that killed WCW” ……

 

Meltzer – “It wasn't company structure that killed WCW, it was people who lucked into success by having the right combination of talent and gimmick, but not the right wrestling acumen to keep it going. And luck ran out and they didn't have the long-term vision or skill to keep it going……I strongly disagree that nobody could have succeeded in WCW because of company structure. It would have been a terrible pain to deal with, but …. their [the bookers and wrestling execs] mistake.. was.. they were mortgaging their future when they were at their most successful by NOT MAKING NEW STARS. Sound familiar? ….. Instead of recycling mediocre talent, some day a wrestling executive will get past the friends and neighbors for hire routine and look for the best quality talent, both in and out of the ring. ……"

How else can history explain Dustin Rhodes, Erik Watts, DDP, David Flair and most of WCW’s talent-less pushed ‘stars’.

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VKM – “I am not a mobster.”

FLASHBACK 3/3/92 – “The World Wrestling Federation achieved another first in family-oriented sports entertainment when a local police dog and plain clothes narcs screened the bags of all wrestlers as they filed through the stage entrance for a February 14 show at the St. Louis Arena. The search came up empty after word of the raid reportedly leaked to the WWF through building management. The vice cops denied any connection to a possible federal Drug Enforcement Administration investigation, which has been much speculated upon following last summer’s conviction of WWF steroid wholesaler Dr. George Zahorian; they said they were simply acting on an isolated tip about a particular wrestler and cocaine. ….. this may help to explain McMahon’s testiness when, on February 13, he telephoned ex-National editor Frank Deford to complain about an ESPN radio commentary three days earlier in which Deford urged Hulk Hogan to come clean about steroid and cocaine abuse. According to Deford, McMahon screamed, “I have proof I’m not a mobster!” – even though Deford had never even broached the subject. Shades of Richard Nixon and “Governor Evidence.””

 

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Wanted ...

Wanted 1 – copies of police reports on the Vince McMahon/Kevin Wacholz ‘mutual combat’ charges in Green Bay, 1994. Contact us here

 

Wanted 2 – Ronald H Sutherland formerly of the Powerhouse Gym in Augusta, GA or anyone who knows his whereabouts please contact us here re clearances for my book

 

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Your feedback …….

Yo Z-man, What's up ? Great column this week. I was literally laughing my ass off from beginning to end. Can't wait for your book to come out. I am sure it will be a must read. Your book and the upcoming Sex, Lies, Headlocks, and videotape are two books I will definitely purchase. Later.

 

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Why the fuck are you making fun of the game hhh. He’s awesome.ur so stupid lets see you take a huge shot with a chair to the elbow. hes not doin it on purpose he has an injury and hes goin to fix it stupid i stand up for trips not crips he is the game not the lame game u piece of shit

 

Tom Zenk replies ….. “Can you lift a chair? I'll take the shot, but it will cost you HHH's nightly salary? Cash talks B.S. walks. Z-Man”

 

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Dear Tom, long time reader, first time writer .... loved your comments about Criple H's calves. I mean good god if he had half the calves the Z-man had during his prime, he would unequivickly be considered the most enthralling and dominating grappler to ever grace the face of the wrestling landscape. But alas we are forced to look at those stringy little calves week in and weak out while the Z-Man continues to be blacklisted in an industry that fails to recognize what a set of hot calves are all about.

So anyways, I'm curious about all this so-called dirt you have on my good buddy Mick Foley, or as I like to call him the 'Mickster." I mean wus up wit dat Z-Man???? I also can't help but notice that you harbor more than your share of resentment towards the McMahons. Did Vince ever metaphotically stick it in your ass in the business sense or Stephanie? (I know she's got one).I can't wait till your book is released to find out.

Anyways have you ever noticed that Triple H drills some hurtbag chicks? First of all was the pre-surgery Chyna (my Dad looks better). And then Steph AFTER she gains the weight and AFTER the cheap ass boob job (my DOG has nicer tits). How can a man like that be the main face for the WWE? I nail hotter shit than that (and I only masterbate). Brett Lebersback

 

Tom Zenk replies - "Nice letter Brett. Keep whacking it!!!"

 

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Just a few things on my mind....."boy are u bitter. just because u didnt make it in wrestling as far as u wanted to, u r gonna continue badmouthing everyone in the business until finally its all gone and u can say i told ya so."

 

That was my first impression of u a few weeks ago when I started reading your column. Only problem is I agree with a lot of what u have said since then. Anyway these r my 10 thoughts:

 

1. WWE is a business and u tell me one business that doesn't have "employee drama". I work in a well respected restaurant and I can’t even begin the tales I could weave. So the WWE has drama backstage, so what. u r just perpetuating gossip.

2. JR.... PLEASE GIVE RVD HIS PROPS IN YOUR REPORT WITHOUT IMMEDIATELY KILLING WHATEVER CREDIT U JUST GAVE HIM BY WARNING OF AN INJURY!!!!!! he was TV champ for 2 years doing matches that the so called pros wouldn’t think of doing. let the best be the best without your pessimistic forewarnings.

3. I think Mr. Zenk (and a lot of fans) has a hard time separating wrestlers from their character. HHH ruled for more than a year. he beat Kane, rock, big show and two others I cant remember at the moment, in one night on smackdown. that is his character and if u look at his characters history, he does not suck. tho he may still be a dick backstage....

4. List of those who would be fired (or just permanently off air) if I owned the WWE: Taker, Hardys, ALL WOMEN (more on this later), Dudleys (all of em), Big Show, Rock, HHH, Hogan (tho I will always love him), APA. These characters have run their course and can impress me no longer.

5. Peeps I would push: Team Canada (adding Y2J, edge), RVD, Rhyno, Awesome, Jindrak, Ohaire, Kanyon, Angle (as a face), and all cruiserweights.

6. Women wrestling hurts the credibility of the sport. They really, truly sukk.

7. These tuff enuff kids are hurting the sport. They really, truly sukk. ok except nidia, i want her.

8. Am I the only one who loves Steph?

9. I am seriously interested what Mr. Zenk would do if he were handed the WWE. Who would reign supreme? Who would write?

10. other stuff: wrestling always sukks at the beginning of each decade. dont ask me why... hey vince: absolute power corrupts absolutely (its true, its true)....admit defeat and end the roster split. it sukks storyline-wise from how it happened to Benoit being on Raw....i really would marry Steph. i met her. she loves me....Tag Teams. where for art thou, Tag Teams? and managers too for crying out loud. kids today dont kno what managers like Heenan, Hart, Albano did for their guys. they equate managers to sexy females....new roster split: WWE (heavyweights and tag teams) and WCW (world cruiserweight wrestling). i love it.

 

Tom Zenk replies - "Hey man....... have you sent the 10 ten wishes to WWE? Well.....get going.I think we all love wrestling, let's just c some of it. Rock on man"

 

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HHH works as hard as anyone in the business, and if Tom knew about wrestling, he would know that sometimes injuries happen and they can't be avoided. At least HHH tries to wrestle through them and give the fans their money's worth. Wrestling is a lot different now from the days when you held a reverse chin locks for 20 minutes and won a match with a powerslam. They actually fight these days [!!!!] and injuries happen, so get out of his ass...

 

Tom Zenk replies … "So I guess you mean HHH is fragile. Maybe ballet is a better choice for him...... Re the rest holds you so cleverly mention - well, the chin lock is actually from the 60-70's. Please show me the tape of a 20 minute chin lock in one of my matches. The camera doesn't lie..... They actually fight these days? How long would your boy HHH last in a fight if pro wrestling was a shoot? One minute perhaps?"

 

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Well Z-Man, I've enjoyed your jabs on "Crips" so much, I figure, why not let the idiots who actually cheer for him (oh wait...two-thirds of those idiots think matches aren't pre-determined) read what real people that aren't as "in" on the business as you are. Reading several of the "fans" responses in your most recent post to the Triple Gay ordeal, I'd like to leave some feedback.

 

To answer the ridiculous questions I read by several readers...

 

“Why does "Crips" get the huge pop from the fans if he sucks?”

 

Simple...because if Vince pushes someone down your throat long enough you'll go for it. And after the whole force of fame, we still have the immortal Austin example. If you do enough stupid ass things in the ring, the majority of the fans will go for it. Austin blew and everyone knows it. He could do three things (drink beer, swear, and flip people off), and none of them involved wrestling.

 

And like [whatever the hell Chyna's real name is] said, "Crips" has to play kiss-ass 24/7 now, because Stephanie is his whole career right now. Without her, "Crips" is definitely out of the spotlight, and probably out the job, where Scott Hall is and where Kevin Nash will be in the next month.

 

Keep dishing the insults on Triple Gay...PLEASE...I beg you. You sound exact-ally like me when I talk to my friends about this moron.

 

-A fan of the Z

 

P.S. - I love the response you gave to the lamme message by that fool fan. Classic.

 

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HEY TOM ZENK!!! Say all that you want about Triple H but he IS THE GAME. No one was able to carry the company when Austin and Taker were out and the Rock was still developing into a mega star. Triple H has sacrificed everything for this business. Would you, or Austin or Rock or Taker lose to VKM only a few weeks after winning your first wwf title. He took every angle and ran with it. He went to the top of the wwf as a heel, something that almost no one has been able to do. He was and i predict will once again be the greatest heel since Ric Flair. Would you job the title to a 60 year old Hulk Hogan?

 

You've got allot of nerve dissing him. I agree that he may have come back somewhat prematurely but he had to. I agree that he sucks as a babyface, but that's only b/c he was such a great heel. Neither the Rock, Austin or Taker have even gotten the heel heat that HHH has gotten. We all know that it is much easier to be a face than it is to be a heel (ex. Billy Gunn can even get a pop but drew absolutely no heat even after winning the royal rumble.) We always hear about the Nashes and Austin's of the world who don't want to work certain programs and don't want to work certain dates. After Triple H became wwf champ for the first time he was used and abused and headlined every single ppv.

 

You seem to have a personal grudge against triple h. Are you jealous of his fame. He's not were he is today b/c he's dating the bosses daughter. Granted he doesn't have the ability to take over a show like Austin or Rock did, but he is an incredible performer.

 

You know, Bret Hart wouldn't drop the wwf title in his home town.

Stone cold walked out on the wwe

The Rock has sold out to Hollywood

 

The Undertake and HHH, the two guys that you love to dis, are working with injuries and everything else against them. Think what you want but even though HHH is dating the bosses daughter he puts the business first. He's not Shawn Michael and he's not Kevin Nash.

 

When i meet Triple H in person at the restaurant in Times Square the day after his return to MSG, me and everyone else saw a guy who is completely dedicated to this business. He was humble and respectful. Something that you obvisouly are not!!!

 

 

P.S.

It's easy for you and all these other internet know it alls to criticize the wwe and there wrestlers for the poor quality programming lately. You know, movie critics are the same. BUT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE YOU WRITE SOME STORYLINES THAT ARE SUCCESSFUL. Criticizing is the easiest thing in the world to do. BUT LET'S SEE YOU DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.Let's so the Great Tom Zenk write some storylines for the wwe or the nwa and let see if the fans would enjoy them.I challenge Tom Zenk to come up with one storyline or program and submit it on all the websites to see if the fans would respond to it positively.

 

 

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Your column is total garbage, it is nothing but the ranting of an extremely jealous person. You aren't even a has-been because you never were. You were a midcarder at best whose biggest claim to fame was jerking the curtain at wrestlemania 3 (and that was 15 years ago!). Now I am not a big triple H fan (i liked him better as a heel) but he has done more than you ever did. How many ppv's did you main event? You said coming back from his injury he was half the man he used to be, and he wasn't much to begin with Then what were you? You didn't accomplish too much. Another thing is you think he is where he is because of "Big Steph" but before they drove away viewers with the invasion angle, he was a big draw and you don't get ratings because of what goes on backstage. If you knew so much maybe you maybe you would be working for the WWF.

 

Another thing you mentioned in your column was Scott Hall's comments about holding people back. He has the right attitude, why should he give up his spot? If they are good enough they would take it. The cream always rises. You were a good wrestler, not great but good. The thing is you lacked the mic skills and charisma to get any further than you did. So you should never complain about people being held back.

 

One last thing, who came up with your gimmick? The "Z-man" WOW is that creative. Let me get this straight your last name is Zenk. So your the Z-man. I would've never thought of that one.

 

Put this message in your column and respond to it.

 

Tom Zenk replies – “Hey dumb fuck, Loved you comments - "Your column is total garbage." You got it. Hence the name "garbage man Zenk".

 

 

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Z-Man, I've been reading you for a while, and I couldn't agree more with the comments you make. I am getting tired of seeing Cripple H come to the ring and generate the same shitty ass moves ... Ok, here’s my opinions on Raw this week.

 

I think that Trish probably cuts the worst promos and wrestles worst in the company. Someone sign her to a playboy deal and get her ass off of wrestling TV. ....

 

For the Love of God, will someone tell VKM that the roster split is ridiculous. It makes me mad because I dont get UPN with my cable subscription so I dont see talent like Storm, Edge, and the Rock.

 

Another thing.. someone please tell heels to start making the crowd hate them more. I dont think the NWO is gonna get the heel heat when they parade to the ring and the fans cheer them and they wave to the fans and acknowledge the support. A true heel, like William Regal or Kurt Angle know that to get TOP HEEL status, you must acknowledge fans hatred. When the fans started cheering "Eddie Sucks!" Eddie has to do more than just keep wrestling. He has to tell the fans to shove it, or something to get the people to boo him more. I think Eddie is one of the best talents the WWE has going for them, and to push him as a TOP HEEL would be awesome.

 

I think my complaining is pointless, along with everyone elses. I agree with the person that wrote in that WWE management must be reading the newsboards. They are all about shocking us. Instead of giving a deserving wrestler a victory, they bring in a shocking surprise. I thought for sure that Lesnar wasnt gonna win the KOTR because of managements ridiculous "last minute" surprises.

 

WOULD SOMEONE STICK A RAG IN JR'S MOUTH. I HATE HEARING HIM TALK. HE IS SO BIASED AND SUCH A CORPORATE KISS ASS, HE MAKES ME SICK. Ok, thats all Z-Man, keep up the columns. I cant wait for the next one.

 

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Bro, Great Shit. Love all the truth that you bring out from the WW"E"

locker room. Can you do me a favor and give some of your thoughts on The

Heart Break Kid Shawn Micheals. Z-man Keep up the good work and I look

forward to reading and buying your book as soon as it comes out.

 

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Hey, Tom

Hello! My name is Jeff Landis, and I read your column for wrestlezone.com Its great how ur saying how u feel about the business, No I'm not a internet mark either, I do wrestle for Indys around Indiana, under the name HotStuff Jeff Landis, I have to disagree about what u say about My Role model

Triple H, he works his ass off for his true fans and people who might not like him, you but I think that ur jealous of his success that he has, and what u don't have. don't get me wrong Pillman had to put u over in WCW

like I said I'm innocent as I Look Please burn on me ur colum Thanks Jeffery Wayne Landis

 

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Well it's good to see Tom Zenk has his new column up it's been a few weeks at first. i thought the WWE sued him for bashing the company or something LOL... i won't bash Tom Zenk though i actually like his columns. Anything with a little controversy I will read it. Now listen people, stop bashing Tom Zenk for a minute and understand one thing. I think he has the right to feast on sour grapes just like anyone else who's been held down their entire career.. I don't blame Zenk for putting down Triple H. Have you seen him perfom lately? The guy is horrible. He has 6 moves and he still gets pops. I scratch my head and wonder why a guy who at one time was a Greenwhich snob all of a sudden is a ultimate bad ass. ...

[Guest Hogan Made Wrestling]

Yawn, more cliched unoriginal drivel from a burned-out never-was that's just bitter he didn't land a cushy job in WWE like so many others of his era.

[Guest 4Life]

Yawn, more cliched unoriginal drivel from a burned-out never-was that's just bitter he didn't land a cushy job in WWE like so many others of his era.

He keeps me entertained. What more could you ask for? Or maybe you like visiting this better?

[Guest BionicRedneck]

Tom Zenk is a bitter, sad, lonely man.

 

plus (generally) he was a rotten wrestler.

[Guest Hogan Made Wrestling]

What exactly about him is entertaining? His writing is not good, and his subject matter is no different than the stuff on 90% of the wrestling message boards, where you can at least have a conversation over posts rather than listen to some old wrestler preach.

[Guest AM The Kid]

Ahhh, always good to here from Zenk.

[Guest IB2BLACK]

I'm willing to bet, that if Vince call "Z-man", and offered him with the WWE, shaving Albert's back, he'll take it in a second. What a hater.

[Guest cabbageboy]

Actually if I recall Z Man was a pretty good wrestler, kinda the Tito Santana/Rick Martel mold. He does seem a bit bitter, I wonder why he bothers to watch at all?

[Guest cynicalprofit]

Actually if I recall Z Man was a pretty good wrestler, kinda the Tito Santana/Rick Martel mold. He does seem a bit bitter, I wonder why he bothers to watch at all?

If you wonder about why he's bitter and still watch you better ask that of everyone around you cause most of them seem to fit in that exact same context.

Hell I would, but I cant watch anymore, damn no cable.

[Guest Shaved Bear]

jeez maybe someone who knows of the backstage dealings in wrestling from his time can pick up on Triple H

[Guest Trivia247]

For a Guy who hasn't been around the WWF since 87, he seems to have a undying bitterness towards the Company. You sure he isn't a Bastard Hart child?

[Guest MrRant]

Just another guy who is bitter about everything. You see it with anybody who is retired... military, corporate, sports, anything.

[Guest goodhelmet]

actually as a staunch zenk defender, i am more willing to accept his opinions moreso than any fanboy on the net. not one article has zenk ever said he should be a main eventer, on top of the card, the recipient of a mega-push, or world champion. not once. he simply understands how the business operates and pulls no punches (nepotism, ineptitude, politics, etc.)

 

it's real easy to say a guy is just bitter but when you actually read between the lines of the steroid references and shots at dusty rhodes, the man has been dead-on in his assessments.

 

i have never seen him attack rvd, the rock, or any other young TALENT. he basically examines how the wrestling business operated and continues to operate despite vinnie mac's claims to the contrary (nepotism, politics, ineptitude, etc.)

being a part of an actual locker room, i'm sure he's seen guys way past their prime holding on to the profession despite their deteriorated bodies and skills. he sees it now. does that make him bitter or just observant?

[Guest MrRant]

But he has a major grudge.

[Guest MarvinisaLunatic]

Imagine if Tom Zenk and Jake Roberts got together and talked wrestling. I would pay 34.95 for that..

[Guest goodhelmet]

But he has a major grudge.

you're right, he does.

 

BUT i also have a major grudge with the fed. i was wasting my money and time on a mediocre product despite the fact that they have the most talented roster ever assembled in North America. As for Zenk, if you notice, his only grudge against Vinnie Mac was the fact that he was a cheapskate and a steroid-abusing announcer who forced it on his roster. all the other knocks against against the fed are things we can see with our own two eyes.

[Guest MrRant]

But he has a major grudge.

you're right, he does.

 

BUT i also have a major grudge with the fed. i was wasting my money and time on a mediocre product despite the fact that they have the most talented roster ever assembled in North America. As for Zenk, if you notice, his only grudge against Vinnie Mac was the fact that he was a cheapskate and a steroid-abusing announcer who forced it on his roster. all the other knocks against against the fed are things we can see with our own two eyes.

If you hold a grudge then why watch and only anger yourself? You like Puro... watch puro.

[Guest goodhelmet]

But he has a major grudge.

you're right, he does.

 

BUT i also have a major grudge with the fed. i was wasting my money and time on a mediocre product despite the fact that they have the most talented roster ever assembled in North America. As for Zenk, if you notice, his only grudge against Vinnie Mac was the fact that he was a cheapskate and a steroid-abusing announcer who forced it on his roster. all the other knocks against against the fed are things we can see with our own two eyes.

If you hold a grudge then why watch and only anger yourself? You like Puro... watch puro.

i don't watch the product anymore. monday's raw was the only wwe program i have watched since KOR. hey, if nothing else, i am consistent. this doesn't mean i can't be pissed off that the fed has the capability to have at least one **** match on EVERY show but choose not to do it.

[Guest MrRant]

Well if the talent was so godly shouldn't they be able to have a **** 5 minute match? A match doesn't have to be long to be great.

[Guest goodhelmet]

actually, to this day i have never seen a **** 5 minute match. not owen-123 kid or anything else. as for the talent, eddy and rvd were given 20 minutes and a ladder- 4* match. edge and angle were given 15 minutes and a cage 4* match. hell, give me one valid reason why the fed can't even muster up two or three *** matches on every show and i'll drop the topic. i don't think you can. there is no excuse.

[Guest MrRant]

Why should they devote a quarter of their program to one match? Wouldn't it be best to try and showcase as much talent as possible and save the 20's for PPV outside of every once and a while?

[Guest goodhelmet]

ok, you still haven't answered the question. how does giving us 2 minute meaningless matches showcase the talent? why can't the fed produce at least 2 or 3 *** matches per program? hell, give the matches ten minutes a piece and you have the opportunity for some great WRESTLING programming. as far as showcasing talent, does albert or rikishi or any other countless amount of wrestlers who can't actually wrestle need showcasing?

[Guest MrRant]

Perhaps they are not what you want to see (and myself either)... but if Rikishi was getting monster pops but can't wrestle like Benoit who you can almost hear the crowd breathing (which pisses me off since I love benoit) shouldn't they put Rikishi out there more since that is what is on fire?

 

Don't forget... I WANT long matches like they were doing back through 2000.

 

Perhaps the reason is.. and it is valid.. that they are throwing as many things against the wall as they can and hopeing something sticks.

[Guest goodhelmet]

unfortunately, i have to disagree once more because most of the time, they feature one angle for the majority of the show while making the wrestling take a backseat to c-level acting and skits. and you are right, that is not what i want to see. and the last rikishi (or test or albert) match i saw the crowd was absolutely dead. then again billy gunn was in that match as well.

 

i'm still wondering why we can't get 2 or 3 *** matches every show.

[Guest MrRant]

Perhaps not every wrestler is capable of *** matches and you can't just use the people who can do that because workrate isn't the only thing that is important. Mic skills, presence and psychology are equal.

 

Lets reverse this for a second, say... Brock and Rikishi are are popping the crowd BUT aren't giving out the *** matches you crave.. what do you do? Complain because they are catering to the masses or do you accept the fact <spock> that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few... or the one. </spock>

[Guest NoSelfWorth]

Can't we all get along ?

 

Tom Zenk is hysterical.

[Guest goodhelmet]

the simple fact is the roster is full of combinations ripe for several great matches per show. they have the best roster ever assembled with guys who were putting on kick ass matches just a year ago. hell, even rikishi was watchable pre-injury. it's not about technical masterpieces. it's about letting the cruiser guys have more time to develop their matches than the 2 minuites they give you each week on SD, it's about putting benoit in there with someone who doesn't need to be carried. it's about letting booker (who is over AND can wrestle) work with someone who is worth a shit. the talent is there to put over the wrestling aspect. the same talent capable of delivering the goods in the ring can also deliver the goods out of the ring (booker, jericho, angle, eddy). the fed has no excuse in feeding us this mediocre product when they could do so much more.

 

take the hhh example. i could give a rats ass who he is fucking, who he is stabbing in the back or how much he is holding everyone else down IF he was producing either in the ring or on the mic. Unfortunately, he does neither very well these days. this only makes the backstage situation worse when you put it in perspective. thus, when you find that politics is preventing angles from developing or preventing wrestlers to be built up properly it makes it extremely frustrating.

 

also, hogan produces GREAT pops! he also helped the ratings sink quicker than the titanic. he is old and is a nostalgia trip. RVD is young and is the choice of a new generation. who are you going to appeal to? it's quite clear the fed has chosen to water down their product and it's a shame considering the roster they have. that was my initial point.