Guest Mattdotcom Report post Posted July 22, 2002 Right, so the other day I started thinking about all the time stuff is changed in wrestling to work today, and I thought a list of some of the greatest (and not-so greatest) brainwashings. I'll start. Angle is the first man to make Hogan tap. *COUGHLEXLUGERANDDEFINATELYNOTSTINGCOUGH* Oh, for sanity's sake, changing WWF to WWE doesn't count. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Retro Rob Report post Posted July 22, 2002 I'm not sure if I get this by how about the WWF billing Andre the Giant as never losing a match in his entire career until WrestleMania III. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Metal Maniac Report post Posted July 22, 2002 When Austin was billed as 4-Time champion in one of the PPV ads, when he was actually on #5. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mattdotcom Report post Posted July 22, 2002 Rob-That's perfect. Nothing like lies to build up the hottest match ever. Maniac-that's more of a goof, but whatever. I hope everyone gets the hang of this...I'm not too good at explaining things. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CoreyLazarus416 Report post Posted July 22, 2002 Joey Styles saying Nova invented any move aside from the Novacaine... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kahran Ramsus Report post Posted July 22, 2002 I thought Luger made Hogan tap before Sting did. Didn't he win the WCW Title with the Torture Rack from Hogan back in 1997? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mattdotcom Report post Posted July 22, 2002 Oh, yeah... Time to revise my own history. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Fook_Hing_Ho Report post Posted July 22, 2002 How about Hogan's "I lifted up the 1400 pound Andre over my head in front of 213000 screaming Hulkamaniacs at Wrestlemania III brother!" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest J*ingus Report post Posted July 22, 2002 There were nowhere near 93,000 people in the Pontiac Dome for WMIII, as the building doesn't hold that many. It was closer to 78,000. The main event that night: that match wasn't the first time that Andre was slammed; in fact, it wasn't even the first time that Hogan slammed Andre (I have video evidence of him having done this at least three times before). It was, however, the first time that Hogan ever pinned Andre to my knowledge. Oh, and technically Angle was indeed the first person to ever make Hogan tap out, as his submissions to Sting and Luger were done verbally, without any tapping motion. So that one is within spitting distance of being true. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest razazteca Report post Posted July 22, 2002 but the tapping out to submissions did not become popular until recently maybe late 90s, before this the tapping of the mat was just a way to sell pain and make loud noises. Submissions usually ended with the ref raising the hand 3 times or the opponet just "passing out". I remember Hogan submitting to Luger on a Nitro. Did Flair ever make Hogan submit to the Figure 4 before Luger or Sting? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest J*ingus Report post Posted July 22, 2002 And now that I think about it, Piper's win over Hogan via sleeper hold at Starrcade '96 might count as a submission, too. To answer your question, Raza, no Flair has never made Hogan submit. In fact, he's only defeated Hogan once in his entire career, in the cage match at Uncensored '99 (and it took a tire iron, a crooked ref, and Arn Anderson to get it all done). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Metal Maniac Report post Posted July 22, 2002 How about the WWF view of the nWo? Apparantly, it never had any members other then the original three, and the last few years never happened... EDIT: I forgot to mention this: I dunno if rendering a man unconcious counts as a submission. I think, technically, to be a submission, you have to make him give a sign that he gives up, be it saying "I quit", tapping out, or otherwise. If you put him to sleep, he can't submit, but you win by default. Kinda like knocking out a guy in a UFC match with a punch. He didn't submit, he's just unable to continue. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest razazteca Report post Posted July 22, 2002 I guess it just depends on how you seperate submission from choke hold the ECW invasion from 1997 never really happened, right. Nor did Flair proclaiming to be the real world champ in 1992 holding the WCW goldbelt then winning Royal Rumble to be WWF champ. Becoming one of the 1st true undistputed world champs, but I bet somebody did it early, like Lou Thesz. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest saturnmark4life Report post Posted July 22, 2002 Jeff hardy vs RVD in the first ever hardcore title ladder match that didn't involve mankind and the big bossman. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest dreamer420 Report post Posted July 22, 2002 the wwe(f) only remembers history when it is needed to help embarass or put over someone. with all of the video footage the wwe has the rights to, it shouldn't be a big deal to mention things from the past, especially one that the average fans are going to remember anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Metal Maniac Report post Posted July 23, 2002 I just thought of that today Raza... There really HAS to have been a time when only one man could have been considered a "World" champion. Oh, and how about HHH "making" RAW the #1 show in Sports Entertainment? Wouldn't that be kind of like me showing up at Bill Gates' house and saying that I "made" him the richest man in the world? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest J*ingus Report post Posted July 23, 2002 In his book Hooker Lou Thesz went into a lot of detail explaining how there's never really been one single, completely undisputed world champion. There were always different territories or countries claiming that their champ was, in fact, the REAL world champion. Ed "Strangler" Louis, Thesz, and Buddy Rogers were all about as close as you're going to get as undisputed champs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Downhome Report post Posted July 23, 2002 As far as the Hogan tapping out thing, it is true he never "tapped" out before, but that is beside the point. I think what their point was that Angle was the first to ever make the true "Hulk Hogan" submit, as he had NEVER done that as a face before Angle. That was the big deal there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest deadbeater Report post Posted July 24, 2002 Roddy Piper beating Champ Hogan three times in WCW one-on-one, yet he is somehow never WCW champ himself. One of those WTF's that I can't get over. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest deadbeater Report post Posted July 24, 2002 Never been an true undisputed world heavyweight champ since Frank Gotch retired. There was probably one for cruiserweights--Ultimo Dragon, the nine-belt man. Molly has to defeat some joshi heroines, in Japanese gyms and the Egg Dome, in order to retain the luster the WWF/E Women's Championship once had. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest converge241 Report post Posted July 24, 2002 whenever a guy shows up in a comany (and he was there before) and they pretend like they dont know who they are. see: Barry Windham and Steamboat on their latter stints. or more recently Bischoff: "If i could have signed HHH...." YOU GODDAMN HAD HIM SIGNED!!!! The other thing that always got me: You have house shows You advertise house shows on your TV show.ppv.website THEN YOU PRETEND THAT THE HOUSE SHOWS DONT EXIST!! it especially gets me mad beacuse it could be such an advantage to acknowledge what happened over the weekend like "boy RVD and Benoit had a hell of a series this past weekend" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
