Building new talent......

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

You know everyone jumps on the smarks for complaining about no new talent and then complaining when they actually do it. Well they're going about it in the totally wrong way.

Benoit, Guerrero, RVD, Jericho, Booker T., Edge, and Angle are relatively new talent. So why should they be sacrificed to build new talent?

These guys that i just listed should be the main eventers. The new talent should make up the mid-card. These guys however are mid-carders and being sacrificed to make new mid-carders.

Guys like Rock, HHH, and UT should be putting the list up there over. And current Mid-carders for life(Bradshaw, Albert, Dreamer, Regal, etc.) should be putting the new mid-card talent over.

Thoughts?

[Guest BoboBrazil]

Undertaker really needs to start putting guys over. His career is winding down and he still won't job. It wouldn't have hurt him to take the pin in the match tonight. It is getting ridiculous.

[Guest MrRant]

You know everyone jumps on the smarks for complaining about no new talent and then complaining when they actually do it. Well they're going about it in the totally wrong way.

Benoit, Guerrero, RVD, Jericho, Booker T., Edge, and Angle are relatively new talent. So why should they be sacrificed to build new talent?

These guys that i just listed should be the main eventers. The new talent should make up the mid-card. These guys however are mid-carders and being sacrificed to make new mid-carders.

Guys like Rock, HHH, and UT should be putting the list up there over. And current Mid-carders for life(Bradshaw, Albert, Dreamer, Regal, etc.) should be putting the new mid-card talent over.

Thoughts?

Umm.. the Rock is only like 29 tops.. AND HE DOES PUT PEOPLE OVER. So why shouldn't he be in the main? Excluding the movie part.

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

Yeah but what is left for Rock to do in the business? You know he's won the world title 7 times now. There's nothing beyond that. Besides if he's not going to be a full time wrestler then he shouldn't have that title anyways. Rock got to much to fast....and it wasn't his fault. Hmm.....kinda like Brock only you know Rock was actually over enough to warrant getting it.

[Guest jester]

Guys like Rock, HHH, and UT should be putting the list up there over. And current Mid-carders for life(Bradshaw, Albert, Dreamer, Regal, etc.) should be putting the new mid-card talent over.

Thoughts?

I think you might have hit on the way things should be going, but aren't. The problem is, the top guys aren't really putting anyone over, with the exception of the Rock. You can blame the usual suspect (backstage politics), but I think a lot of the blame falls on WWE itself. Not a lot is going right for them lately, and they're worried about the established main eventers (who can draw, or at least did draw at one point) losing heat, so they don't job. So nobody new is ready to take the Undertaker's spot when he finally leaves.

 

jester

[Guest MrRant]

Yeah but what is left for Rock to do in the business? You know he's won the world title 7 times now. There's nothing beyond that. Besides if he's not going to be a full time wrestler then he shouldn't have that title anyways. Rock got to much to fast....and it wasn't his fault. Hmm.....kinda like Brock only you know Rock was actually over enough to warrant getting it.

So... if you are world champ 7 times because the company has screwed up and needed Jesus (aka The Rock) to come back and heal the cripples (aka stupid booking/WWE) its his fault? The man just does his job.

[Guest razazteca]

to me it looks like the Natural Born Thrillers all over again.

 

just insert OVW guys instead

[Guest Kinetic]

I agree with MrRant on Rock. He may seem like old news, but the guy is only 30. I agree on 'Taker...his time is over and he needs to start putting young guys over, starting with Angle at SummerSlam. Clean.

 

The key is balance, basically. If they want main event-level guys like Angle and Jericho to put over younger guys, then Triple H and Rock need to do it too.

[Guest Shaved Bear]

Yeah but what is left for Rock to do in the business? You know he's won the world title 7 times now. There's nothing beyond that. Besides if he's not going to be a full time wrestler then he shouldn't have that title anyways. Rock got to much to fast....and it wasn't his fault. Hmm.....kinda like Brock only you know Rock was actually over enough to warrant getting it.

the Rock was crazy over, when I would go to live shows etc, the arena was shaking his entire time out there, Brock, well the concession stands people dont like it when he wrestles....

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

"the Rock was crazy over, when I would go to live shows etc, the arena was shaking his entire time out there, Brock, well the concession stands people dont like it when he wrestles...."

 

Yeah that's what I was saying.....The Rock was over enough to warrant the quick push.....Brock isn't.

[Guest Human Fly]

Why is the WWE insisting on pushing Brock? I know it's been talked about alot here, but Booker and RVD are over, Brock is not. The fans are already cheering for them., it's done no more work to get them over. While Brock has to go over every big name on the roster to get any kind of reaction. When people who ate at Wendy's wanted the Monterey Ranch Chicken Sandwich, they brought it back, not the Bacon and Swiss Burger.

[Guest Kinetic]

My only hope is that they booked the DQ finish in the Brock-RVD match tonight so that RVD has a legitimate claim to also deserving to be in on the title match at SS. Why else would they? It didn't do anything for Brock, certainly, as he wouldn't win the title on a DQ and it made him look weak altogether.

[Guest Mindless_Aggression]

I actually think Taker has put over quite a few mid card boys with his championship reign, the WWE just hasn't capitalized on it at all. I don't think he really holds anyone back either, Vince just has such faith in him that he more or less books him to kill everyone and everything. Not sure on how to feel about that one btw.

 

But yes, HHH, Rock, Taker do need to put people over. Not necessarily because they're old news, but because they can job and still have heat and a respectable amount of it. I think Taker would be the best for this role actually. Like the guy or not, when he loses or is pushed to the limit, marks tend to see it as some pretty big shit. he has an aura too him that not many do and I bet he'd be willing to lay down for most anyone or at the very least put them over during the match.

 

I never did buy into the Undertaker backstage politician role. I just think Vince feels like he owes him for all the mans done for the company and in turn books him as an unstoppable monster. I still for whatever reason, think that if asked ot take this role, he'd take it and have no problem with it. But thats just me.

[Guest Brian]

"You can blame the usual suspect (backstage politics), but I think a lot of the blame falls on WWE itself."

 

It dawned on me tonight. You know the booking teamis more of a problem than politics when they blew HHH's comeback push.

 

On the whole situation, if the upper-mid card guys are being used to put over new guys, really nobody is gaining any momentum. Well, actually the finish today helped Cena and didn't hurt Jericho but aside from that, how can anyone advance any further?

[Guest TheBlurricane]

I may not like the Rock too much, but I will admit he puts people over more than most of the main eventers except Angle.

 

I'm starting to like Taker more cause lately he's put people over as much as he could without jobbing (Angle, Jeff Hardy).

 

Really for the way they want to push Cena, Jericho was about the only one that could put him over and get the desired result. Angle was in the main event, Taker was champ, Rock is champ, HHH wouldn't do it, the rest are on RAW.

 

Cena's win tonight helps him a lot, but would he be even more over with the fans if he had got to slap Vince? I think the fans would have loved him for that.

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

Eh?

 

Not to go on an anti-Rock tangent, but who has he put over that DOESN'T have the last name Foley, Levesque, or Irvine? Hell, at the most, I'd say Rock is willing to job to lower card guys, but he RARELY puts people over. Really, I can't think of ANYBODY outside of those three that he's put over in the last 3 to 4 years(Taker and Austin don't count because they were main eventing before Rocky and Austin put Angle over more last year than Rock ever really did, IMO).

[Guest IB2BLACK]

Rock and HHH, and any other main eventer, should never lose or put someone over, unless that person is reading to take the ball and run with it.

[Guest EricMM]

I think the WWE has always had two types of stars. The stars that the fans put on top (Rock, Micheals, RVD, SCSA, recently espeically Hogan) and stars WWE put on top (Kane, Diesel, Brock, um how about Test?)

 

The fans can cheer someone so hard the WWE has to turn them face and give them a run. Mick Foley was like that, he got over with the fans, and was like at least as over as the rock IMO. But some people are just put in the ME to never be faces, to always be the person who is just always going to win whether you want him to or not. I don't really know why WWE feels the need to push unover talent, but it's not a new thing. Although they all seem to be bigger people hmm. Maybe WWE just likes to have a certain Quota if you will of average heights. Hmm MEing is Benoit, Eddy, and Angle? Thats a pretty low average hight! Send in the big show!!!!

[Guest saturnmark4life]

but HOT DAMN those bacon swiss burgers...

anyways, i have little problem with the rock, he puts people over and does a damn good job of it.

Taker is steadily beginning to realise he's finished, and not a moment too soon. His role now should be to have midcard matches with guys like orton, hardy and maven (which have been his most entertaining moments this year) playing a pissed off old bastard, but NOT IN THE MAIN. He should have jobbed to rock at vengeance, plain and simple. The same thing bugs me about the SHIT SHIT SHIT kotr main, why the hell didn't he just chokeslam him instead of the crappy low blow finish? hhh MUST have made sure he didn't job to the finisher there. FUCK.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

I wouldn't consider Kane 'put on top'..considering he's either been in feuds with X-bitch, or stuck with UT.

[Guest SteveyP93]

Rock can main event as long as he would like in my book, because he puts on AWESOME matches. As for Taker, I've actually started to like him recently, his work has been solid. And after being a part of an incredible main event last night, it is apparent that he still not only has some steam left, but some main event steam. Not too much, but a few more matches. If the WWE stands for putting the right people in the main event, they won't shun the Taker to the mid card after such an amazing performance.

 

While I understand what everyone is saying, that the deserving new comers deserve their time, I say that it will come very shortly. Just don't kick the Taker down while he is on his last good run.

[Guest El Satanico]

Just don't kick the Taker down while he is on his last good run.

Why not?

 

He's already held the Undisputed Title so he has nothing else to acheive in his last few years. So if he's already done the most he can possibly do why should he be kept in the main event? There are many guys that are more then ready to take Undertaker's main event spot so the only thing Undertaker remaining as a main eventer would do is hold back someone who is ready to take his spot(RVD).

 

Do some sort of angle where he turns face then send him down to the midcard where he would be of better use to WWeee. Undertaker helping put over new midcard guys would help WWeee alot more then him lurking around the main event for no reason. Undertaker vs. Jericho for the IC title would help in rebuilding Jericho(if they want to rebuild him that is).

[Guest RicFlairGlory]

"the Rock was crazy over, when I would go to live shows etc, the arena was shaking his entire time out there, Brock, well the concession stands people dont like it when he wrestles...."

 

Yeah that's what I was saying.....The Rock was over enough to warrant the quick push.....Brock isn't.

The Rock was in the WWF for a couple years before he got the Belt if I'm not mistaken... didnt he at least have 6 months of IC title before then? I remember the Young Rocky Miavia, he was there a while before he was over. THEN it took a lot to give him a push