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[Guest TheBigBadBootyDaddy]

Yeah, I dont give a damn if he has an opinion. But when all he ever says in any thread he ever posts in is RVD is being held down, its time for him to kindly shut the fuck up

[Guest goodhelmet]

Hey I agree with bps most of the time and at least he supports his opinions unlike a certain bootydaddy who's bitter that the flaming folder went away on the old ezboard.

 

As for Smackdown, if RAW last night was the greatest ever (it wasn't) then Smackdown on Thursday may be the worst over.

[Guest Austin3164life]

For some reason, Rock going against Hogan has no relevance, imo, whatsoever.  Notice that in the promo where Hogan boasted about his attendance records and merchandising, Rock didn't reply to it at all, because he cannot claim he's bigger.  Yes, Rock is a bigger media crossover, but he's not known as the #1 man in the WWF.  Rock represents himself more than he does the WWF, whereas Austin IS the WWF, and has been since about 1998.  It would've made much more sense if Austin came back escaping jail time, and claiming he sold more merchandise in one year than Hogan ever did, and bla bla bla.  Austin has been established as "the most popular wrestler ever", and "arguably the greatest WWF Champion ever", so it makes more sense for those accolades to challenge Hogan's legend stature.  The Rock is a media darling, but there's no contrast between him and Austin/Hogan.  It should be Austin vs. Hogan at WM.....

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

Well...let's see...

 

My RVD comments were related to the smackdown thread...which I created....and which I reported on the entire show....

 

Unlike your trollish comments that had nothing to do with the show...

 

Yeah...I can see how you must justify your presence here.

[Guest Sakura]

HHH isn't over and he's got a title shot at WrestleMania.

 

 

HHH is over.

 

Chuck Polumbo has know held a more prestigous belt than RVD.

 

 

If Rob won the Titles with Edge you'd whine that he's been held down and forced to tag with someone that will kill his heat.

[Guest TheBigBadBootyDaddy]

oh wow so you created a thread about smackdown, that means  you can continue to rant and bitch about RVD.  Christ, MAKE A FUCKING RVD THREAD IF YOU WANT TO JUST WHINE ABOUT HIM.  I dont have to justify my presence here, I'm a WRESTLING FAN.  You are a whiney bitchy "I wish I could suck RVD's dick" tool

[Guest Tony149]

The WWF might be embrassing Hall, so he could stop his problems. Smackdown doesn't look all that great, but I'll see how it turns out on TV.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

Is HHH the most over face in the WWF?

 

No.

 

Shouldn't the most over face be the one in the title match?

 

Yes.

 

 

If RVD won the tag titles, I would say that it's about time he won something worthwhile.

 

Don't presume to tell me what I think about an issue.

[Guest goodhelmet]

"The Rock is a media darling, but there's no contrast between him and Austin/Hogan.  It should be Austin vs. Hogan at WM....."

 

Someone (a dirt sheet) said Austin didn't want a program w/ Hogan ,or Rock convinced Vince that him and Hogan would do better. I think you are right about Austin being the #1 man. They'll probably do Hogan-Austin at Summerslam or never do it.

[Guest Tony149]

Hogan vs. Austin will probably happen, but there are probably a lot of reasons why Rock/Hogan will happen first.

[Guest goodhelmet]

"Hogan vs. Austin will probably happen, but there are probably a lot of reasons why Rock/Hogan will happen first. "

 

Well, no shit. Maybe last night has something to do with it.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

There are three posts about RVD on this thread that I made.

 

1.  Rvd's possible match at Mania.  Something that was discussed by more than just me.

 

2.  How being over doesn't mean that you get titles.  Used in context of a conversation that someone else started.

 

3.  Polumbo has held a more prestigous belt than Van Dam.

 

A fact.

 

 

All you are doing is trolling.

 

Trolls used to get banned.

 

It is a practice that I would like to see come back.

 

And no...I am not trolling.  

 

Reason #1...I don't go into threads and start RVD propoganda...I comment on what is being said about him, and add my own take.

 

I also employ this method with every other star/angle on the board.

 

Reason #2.  I don't stray off topic as this thread shows.

 

In essence...Fuck off.

[Guest Tony149]

"Hogan vs. Austin will probably happen, but there are probably a lot of reasons why Rock/Hogan will happen first. "

 

Well, no shit. Maybe last night has something to do with it.

And I'm not talking about the angle from Raw either.

[Guest goodhelmet]

Well, why don't you explain yourself in more than one sentence? Give the actual reasons.

[Guest Sakura]

Is HHH the most over face in the WWF?

 

No.

 

Shouldn't the most over face be the one in the title match?

 

Yes.

 

 

But that's not what you originally said.

[Guest Tony149]

Well, why don't you explain yourself in more than one sentence? Give the actual reasons.

What for? The only thing that will happen is people saying it's sucks, WM is going to suck, Rock/Hogan will suck, the man parking cars sucks, the kid with the glass eye and wooden leg sucks. Somebody posted why the WWF s going with Rock/Hogan firat in another thread. One of those Rock/Hogan threads.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

Well forgive me for not wording my sentiments correctly.

 

When we are talking about the title match at Mania and I am talking about how over someone is...I do so in relation to that position on the card.

[Guest markymark]

There is plenty of time for Hogan/Austin. I'm sure they want to do a number of matches with Hogan, and most of them will probably draw good money and be entertaining.

 

BPS...HHH is over. Whether he's over to the extent you seem to think RVD is, well, that's debatable. But saying he's not over at all is quite ridiculous and really exposes your bias and ruins your credibility, such that it is.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

markymark...see post above yours

[Guest AM The Kid]

Well...this doesn't have to do with anything but I think(and hope) that RVD will be agianst Lance Storm at Wrestlemania.

[Guest goodhelmet]

I agree with AM Kid. RVD -Storm is probably the best match we could hope for at this point.

 

Let's look at the card so far

UT-Flair: Flair better start practicing with the broomstick

 

Rock-Hogan: If this match isn't rehearsed and practiced for the next month everyday then this could be Hogan-Warrior2 bad.

 

Hall-Austin (maybe): Hall looked like shit in Japan. AUstin may carry him to a decent match. An interesting match but how good will it be. There's no suspense. Austin will go over.

 

Trips-Jericho: Look for screwjobs and McMahon interference galore to what could have been a decent match.

 

BillyChuck-APA: They have how many people on the roster and these are the best two tag teams they could think of? Pathetic.

 

Man, Mania is not looking good at all from a WRESTLING standpoint. Message to the WWF: As Benoit said "prove me wrong!"

[Guest The Vanilla Midget]

Let's look at the card so far

UT-Flair: could be watchable, now is the chance to see how much ability flair has left.  it will also be interesting to see if taker sells for a legend like flair.

 

Rock-Hogan: will probably suck, but that wont matter due to the overriding markout value

 

Hall-Austin (maybe): has the chance to be the best of the nwo-wwf matches, though that doesnt say alot.  we'll see what sort of shape hall is really in.

 

Trips-Jericho: lets see if trips can build from his solid performance on raw.  the stephanie factor adds an interesting dynamic to the match.

 

BillyChuck-APA: This will suck, and probably result in the APA squashing the AGD.

 

RVD-Storm: If it happens it will rock bells.  again, if it happens it will probably steal the show.

 

Kane-Angle: Bleh.  Angle is only one man, and i doubt even he can carry kane to a watchable ppv for any great length of time.

[Guest BankHoldup]

bps, I have news for you, there's a huge difference between someone being over and someone being a draw.  You're making the argument that the most over face should be in the position to challenge Jericho for the titles.  If that were the case then that would be Austin, but the conflict with Austin and Jericho isn't as hot as it is with Jericho and Triple H.  Therefore the draw going up against Jericho is Triple H.  And BTW, Triple H is VERY over.  I don't see how you don't see that he is over.  The fact that he dumped Steph makes him even more loved by the crowd seeing as how 98% of them all hate Steph.  He's a hero in their eyes practically.

 

For Christ's sake, if being the most over person determined who would get world title shots, main event, etc. then we'd still be seeing Hogan vs Savage or Hogan vs Warrior or Savage vs Warrior and so on and so forth.  Know why?  Because if being the most over determined whether or not you would main event, then people wouldn't get shots.  Bret Hart certainly wasn't the most over guy in the federation when he bested Ric Flair for the world title, but getting that shot and winning certainly elevated him up there.

 

You're way off on your assumptions here, pal.  I think it would be much appreciated to all of those who post in this thread if you would just admit that, even admit that you might be wrong, and let things continue on.

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

Can we PLEASE end this excessive bickering? It gets pretty fucking tiresome after about 85 threads are tainted with this nonsense.

[Guest The Vanilla Midget]

triple h is over, but what some people are saying is that he is not over enough to main event wrestlemania.  he would be the number 3 or 4 most over face in the company right now (austin, rock, rvd), and while he is a proven draw, he drew as a heel, not as a face.  imo hhh has to make further adjustments to his style to be a better face.  dropping steph was good, and will actually get him over, but he also needs to stop being so *intense,* and using his cerebral knee-based moveset.  its too dominating, and makes it difficult for him to elicit any sympathy from the crowd.  also, he needs to sorta get the crowd more involved in his matches and draw from their energy.  as a heel he worked in spite of the crowd, yet now as a face he needs to work in combination with them.  he was a heel for so long that he may have forgotten how to do this, and the main point is that he is a face, yet he uses a heelish moveset, and the crowd has been trained to be a little apathetic to movesets like that, as they are typically used by heel hhh, and other mat-based heels such as regal.

[Guest TheBigBadBootyDaddy]

<<Reason #1...I don't go into threads and start RVD propoganda...I comment on what is being said about him, and add my own take.>>

 

Actually, sounds about right.  You hear RVD's name, so you use it as the perfect excuse to just blather on about the exact same thing you always say. he's underpushed. WE GET IT.

 

"blah blah blah I dont bring up blah blah blah blah rvd blah blah held blah blah fuck hhh blah blah blah blah blahblahblah, blah rvd should blah blah blah" WE GET IT.

 

You talk about how the nWo kills a good angle by repeating and beating a dead horse.  Why dont you practice a little of what you preach and shut the fuck up about RVD's lack of push. It gets OLD, FAST.

[Guest TheBigBadBootyDaddy]

And just because I'm not one of your "boyz," and I'm not some smark out crusading for the underpushed underprivleged wrestlers with "workrate" and "ability to carry a match at the midcard level," and since I dont always agree with bps and all you other "fuck hogan and the nWo" bland boring mindless whiners who just bitches about everything, doesnt make me a troll

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

Now you're cursading for free thinkers everywhere?

 

Whatta guy!

[Guest The Vanilla Midget]

And just because I'm not one of your "boyz," and I'm not some smark out crusading for the underpushed underprivleged wrestlers with "workrate" and "ability to carry a match at the midcard level," and since I dont always agree with bps and all you other "fuck hogan and the nWo" bland boring mindless whiners who just bitches about everything, doesnt make me a troll

you know by whining about it yourself, you lower yourself to *our* level.  and aside, i dont give a shit about the nWo, im not over the moon about their return, but if they storylines are entertaining (that more than makes up for match quality), and blown off before we get a perpetual storyline like in wcw i will be happy.

[Guest goodhelmet]

"And just because I'm not one of your "boyz," and I'm not some smark out crusading for the underpushed underprivleged wrestlers with "workrate" and "ability to carry a match at the midcard level," and since I dont always agree with bps and all you other "fuck hogan and the nWo" bland boring mindless whiners who just bitches about everything, doesnt make me a troll "

 

OK, so we whine about the midcarders and you whine about us smarks. I've never heard any reasons why you like Hogan or the NWO. What about Hogan entertains you? What has the writing staff done in the last year to convince you that they'll build this up right and give it the proper payoff? While you're bitching about us, give some reasons or examples of why we shouldn't care about better quality wrestlers? What latest angle or storyline is creative or truly original? If you don't watch wrestling for quality matches, what about wrestling (sports entertainment) actually entertains you?