Guest BigTim2002 Report post Posted July 23, 2002 Ah yes...tonight...somewhere...Scott Keith is smiling...and it's because he got to see RVD vs. Benoit set up...and...guys...Summerslam...just watch...it will be GREAT! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mickberna Report post Posted July 23, 2002 Benoit and RVD are awesome, so I too will be looking forward to that. Scott Keith is fucking annoying. Good writer, but far too cynical for his own good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest thebigjig Report post Posted July 23, 2002 Benoit and RVD are awesome, so I too will be looking forward to that. Scott Keith is fucking annoying. Good writer, but far too cynical for his own good. agreed. At this point, I don't think the WWE can do ANYTHING to make Keith happy. But anyway, yes, if the WWE give Benoit/RVD at least 10 minutes I'll be happy... I'm hoping for more, but 10 will satisfy me... and here's to seeing Booker/Benoit more in the future. Hopefully next time they'll get more than 5 fucking minutes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest HartFan86 Report post Posted July 23, 2002 If you read his Raw Report, he states that if anyone can get a ***** out of Rob Van Dam, it's Benoit. Benoit/RVD is one of my top 10 dream matches ever...probably one of my top 3 dream matches that could still happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest evenflowDDT Report post Posted July 23, 2002 Am I the only one who thinks Benoit's and RVD's styles will clash too much for it to be any good? If RVD/Regal sucked, and Regal and Benoit have the same type of ground-based, solid technical style, what makes you think RVD and Benoit will be any good? I just don't think RVD can adapt to a non-high flyer type match, although I admit I've never seen him in ECW, maybe he did non-high flyer stuff there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Hitman Jebus Report post Posted July 23, 2002 I kinda agree with EvenflowDDT here, I hope they prove me wrong but...Benoit vs. RVD just screams styles clash (TM. AJ Styles) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AlwaysPissedOff Report post Posted July 23, 2002 I don't care for Benoit/RVD personally and it really does seem liek it'll be a styles clash, but they'll probably pull something good-to-great out of it, hopefully. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Hogan Made Wrestling Report post Posted July 23, 2002 I have to agree with what's been said so far. It would probably be good with 2002 RVD vs. 1994 Benoit, but now Benoit is more suplex+mat based and doesn't really do the high flying other than the headbutt and occasional tope. I'd rather see Benoit-Regal by a longshot, and I think the RVD-Eddy matches will end up being better than RVD-Benoit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Man in Blak Report post Posted July 23, 2002 When RVD has been in the ring with renowned ring generals (i.e. Jerry Lynn), he's proved to be very compatible and fairly easy to rein in. My main doubts are actually more upon Benoit, as he doesn't seem to have gotten all of that ring rust off just yet. Despite that, I don't think a *** match is totally out of reach for these two, especially if they get at least 8-10 minutes to tell a good story. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted July 23, 2002 I'll laugh my ass off when it's a 6 minute rvd rollup win and all the smarks cry for life. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kid Kablam Report post Posted July 23, 2002 Am I the only one who thinks Benoit's and RVD's styles will clash too much for it to be any good? If RVD/Regal sucked, and Regal and Benoit have the same type of ground-based, solid technical style, what makes you think RVD and Benoit will be any good? I just don't think RVD can adapt to a non-high flyer type match, although I admit I've never seen him in ECW, maybe he did non-high flyer stuff there. they should do an angle where Benoit reminds everyone that the Rabid Wolverine could at one point take to the air with the best of them, and challenge Van Damn to a Ladder match to prove it. Cause I mean, Benoit could fly with the best of em. Of course his admitting this would lead to a de-push, so he's probably hiding any tapes of his Japan stuff from HHH. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted July 23, 2002 "If RVD/Regal sucked, and Regal and Benoit have the same type of ground-based, solid technical style, what makes you think RVD and Benoit will be any good? I just don't think RVD can adapt to a non-high flyer type match, although I admit I've never seen him in ECW, maybe he did non-high flyer stuff there." I wouldn't nearly compare Benoit to Regal. Regal just seems to be really stubborn when it comes to wrestling WWE style while Benoit hans no problem just beating the shit out of people. Benoit's very strong on the mat and like Lynn I think he can put RVD to use. I think Benoit's been covering his rust by mainly beating his opponents and doing less bumping but then again he's surprised me and done his share of bumping. I think if RVD sells well, Benoit's going to bring a beating and were going to see RVD bust out every so often. I think Eddie's going to be part of the better match just because they had more time to work with and they built off past stuff, which I wouldn't put it above Benoit to actually build off that whole Eddie series. I think people sometimes totally underestimate what Benoit can do, but he is still hurt. Here's how I would set it up. Benoit talks to Eddie pre-match. Benoit comes out and starts to work it down to the mat, Benoit controls early before RVD bust out with a kick sending Benoit to the outside. He gets a small pep-talk from eddie and goes back to work. Starts going after the abs (I can't imagine RVD selling anything else consitently). RVD busts out again but Benoit only gets knocked back a little and comes right back. Another sequence with RVD l;anding ahead. He starts to gain momentum but Eddie yells getting a Benoit reversal. Crossface and to the ropes. Benoit starts pounding the neck and they do a little heel team leading to an RVD comeback, which gets stunted by Eddie. Another bunch of work and RVD makes the comeback with an enziguiri sending Benoit to the outside. Peptalk broken by an RVD tope. Short brawling with Benoit taking control into the ring, but RVD winning. Of course they'd build by using the spots Eddie knew how to counter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest goodhelmet Report post Posted July 23, 2002 i have to DISagree strongly that rvd and benoit would encounter a styles clash. first of all, the regal-rvd match, for as long as it lasted (a quick 7 minutes or so) was very entertaining. the only wrestler able to get an entertaining match out of regal. secondly, rvd has adapted to everyone thrown out him. mind you, he is the only person up until last night to get a watchablematch out of Taker. next, benoit at 75-80%, which is where i am guesstimating his condition, is 100 times better than nearly 9/10 of the roster. benoit could mix it up with any style including high flying, brawling, matwork, spotfests. you name it, benoit can work it. add to the fact that rvd has improved leaps and bounds since he's left ecw and you have a classic in waiting. also, add to the fact that up until his program with brock, night in and night out rvd has consistently put on the best matches on any given program and i don't see how anyone could doubt benoit and rvd having the first legit MOTYC in the wwe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Zero_Cool Report post Posted July 23, 2002 You know, RVD/Benoit could draw as the main event next week, easy. RVD's crowd reactions continue to get bigger week by week, and the crowd was funky monkey for him tonight...of course, being in his home town didn't hurt. Funny how by next Monday night, RVD could have been in two MOTYC's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest evenflowDDT Report post Posted July 23, 2002 Unless RVD is working with high spots, his matches have been wachable, but not great. I don't think RVD and Benoit is going to be bad, I just don't agree with those who claim it will be a five-star classic. And yes, Benoit can work with everyone, but he's never worked with RVD before (that I know of) and he's still a bit hesitant when dealing with head/neck bumps, and I don't think he'd want to risk a lot of those at this point. Maybe if they meet again in a few months it'll be MOTY, but not next week. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Mighty Damaramu Report post Posted July 23, 2002 "I'll laugh my ass off when it's a 6 minute rvd rollup win and all the smarks cry for life" I wouldn't cry. The only thing I would complain about is the 6 minutes. A rollup would help put Benoit over because it would show that RVD couldn't put Benoit down and needed to bust a quick cheap move out to win. And Choken One....you are a smark. Quit denying it. You just make yourself look like a jackass everytime you post with your Benoit and Smark hating. You say you're like 30 something and married but you've got to be the most immature man on the face of the Earth. Just saying....... Oh and speaking of reactions. Has anyone else been noticing the pops for Benoit? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest evenflowDDT Report post Posted July 23, 2002 Oh and speaking of reactions. Has anyone else been noticing the pops for Benoit? Actually I haven't. Have they been pretty good? I only notice pops if I'm looking for them, or if they're really really big. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest thebigjig Report post Posted July 23, 2002 mind you, he is the only person up until last night to get a watchablematch out of Taker. Gotta dissagree there. Taker's had several good matches as champion. His match with Jeff Hardy, while not a classic, was by no means terrible, and am I the only one that thinks his match with Angle on Smackdown (the non finish triangle choke/pin match) is under rated? I personally thought the match was great. But anyway, if Taker can have a good match with RVD and Benoit can't... then that's saying something. My prediction is that the match will surprise many of you. At least *** 1/2 if they give it enough time Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Mighty Damaramu Report post Posted July 23, 2002 No they aren't Rock level pops. But the fans stand up and cheer when he comes out. I'm just wondering why he isn't getting any heel heat? I mean he does some dastardly things....(well ok he hasn't really done anything dastardly...just beat up Bubba and Austin). Or maybe he's getting over as a badass? Fans like badasses ever since Austin and HHH. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest NoCalMike Report post Posted July 23, 2002 Benoit has had decent matches with Sabu who is more spot-based than RVD. Benoit can adapt to RVD's style a lot better than Regal can. I think if WWE writers/bookers just let 2 of the better workers on the roster go out there and show their stuff, then they can have a really good match to set up an even LONGER and BETTER match at Summerslam. Ross could even sell it as two guys who think their style is superior to the others. That way it can get "bad blood" between the two and all....... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest evenflowDDT Report post Posted July 23, 2002 No they aren't Rock level pops. But the fans stand up and cheer when he comes out. I'm just wondering why he isn't getting any heel heat? I mean he does some dastardly things....(well ok he hasn't really done anything dastardly...just beat up Bubba and Austin). Or maybe he's getting over as a badass? Fans like badasses ever since Austin and HHH. I think he's being built up as more of a tweener/bad-ass than a full-on heel, and that's why people cheer him, because you're right, he hasn't done anything super dastardly. I think that ever since Austin, the marks really do prefer bad-asses and cocky pricks and have no problem cheering for them even if they're "heels". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest HoffmanHBK Report post Posted July 23, 2002 I wouldn't nearly compare Benoit to Regal. Regal just seems to be really stubborn when it comes to wrestling WWE style while Benoit hans no problem just beating the shit out of people. Benoit's very strong on the mat and like Lynn I think he can put RVD to use. On the money. Regal has proven to be one of the least adaptable to the WWE style. Not necessarily a knock on Regal; it's hard to change, and he works good matches given the right conditions, but he just hasn't been as good as he could have been by now. RVD, on the other hand, has proven he can adapt, and while he still has a somewhat unorthodox style, he works hard and bumps like mad, and will be essentially what Benoit NEEDS to disguise the little bit of ring rust he's shown. Benoit will likely use Van Dam as a punching bag for most of this one, and the fans will eat up every minute of it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mystery Eskimo Report post Posted July 23, 2002 I'll add another vote to it being a possible MOTY. As has been said, Benoit is far more flexible and adaptable than Regal, and he'll bring the psychology to the match which RVD perhaps dosn't have. The match needs at least 15 minutes though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Raven_Effect01 Report post Posted July 23, 2002 next, benoit at 75-80%, which is where i am guesstimating his condition, is 100 times better than nearly 9/10 of the roster. benoit could mix it up with any style including high flying, brawling, matwork, spotfests. you name it, benoit can work it. add to the fact that rvd has improved leaps and bounds since he's left ecw and you have a classic in waiting. also, add to the fact that up until his program with brock, night in and night out rvd has consistently put on the best matches on any given program and i don't see how anyone could doubt benoit and rvd having the first legit MOTYC in the wwe. Benoit also said on Byte This a little before he came back from his injury that he wouldn't want to take the Diving Headbutt(even though he injured his neck last year) out of his moveset, though it remains to be seen since he's come back. Hopefully if the match is set up between RVD and Benoit at Summerslam that it turns out good enough to elevate both men's careers, as long as HHH doesn't put a stop to that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Incandenza Report post Posted July 23, 2002 And Choken One....you are a smark. Quit denying it. You just make yourself look like a jackass everytime you post with your Benoit and Smark hating. You say you're like 30 something and married but you've got to be the most immature man on the face of the Earth. I agree with this. I'll add another vote to it being a possible MOTY. As has been said, Benoit is far more flexible and adaptable than Regal, and he'll bring the psychology to the match which RVD perhaps dosn't have. The match needs at least 15 minutes though. I agree with this, too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ManKinnd Report post Posted July 23, 2002 I think we can all agree it'll be near impossible for this match to get more than 10 minutes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shaved Bear Report post Posted July 23, 2002 Benoit and RVD are awesome, so I too will be looking forward to that. Scott Keith is fucking annoying. Good writer, but far too cynical for his own good. if he got a check for a million dollars, he would say that the check size was dumb Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Flyboy Report post Posted July 23, 2002 if he got a check for a million dollars, he would say that the check size was dumb LOL! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Cubbie78 Report post Posted July 23, 2002 " think we can all agree it'll be near impossible for this match to get more than 10 minutes. " I dont know about that, the WWE sometimes surprises us...remember Benoit-Austin last year in edmonton..I mean they were fueding and all, but the amazing quality of the match came out of nowhere..whatd they get?..15-20 minutes?...on a smackdown main event..just saying, you never know Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Flyboy Report post Posted July 23, 2002 Also, the Eddie-RVD Ladder match got about 10 minutes (or was it longer).. so.. you don't ever know. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
