President Bush says economy is "strong"

[Guest Kingpk]

Jesus Christ lady,did I kill your dog or is it just that time of the month?Perhaps you should refrain from the insults in a forum that's about fostering actual discussion,hmm?Oh,that would display your general ignorance and lack of real social decorum,wouldn't it?

Uh oh.

 

::hides from Marney's wrath::

 

And poor people do commit more crime than the rich. Why would a rich person rob a bank or mug a person, for fun?

[Guest Cancer Marney]

Jesus Christ lady,did I kill your dog or is it just that time of the month?Perhaps you should refrain from the insults in a forum that's about fostering actual discussion,hmm?Oh,that would display your general ignorance and lack of real social decorum,wouldn't it?

Nice argument, Chuckles. I'm mighty impressed with your powers of reasoning. I also notice you refrained from "the insults," maintained "social decorum," and didn't display any ignorance at all in your brilliant rebuttal. Pure facts and logic, that's all you used. Yep, you've sure shown me up, no doubt about it.

 

Seriously, did you have something to say, or did you just intend to make a few completely idiotic and unsubstantiated statements, and then whine like a five year-old when you got called on the carpet?

[Guest 4Life]

---- no comment anymore ---

I'm done here.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

I edited to correct a spelling error, Sparky. Unlike you, I didn't edit the post after someone else had replied in order to deny I'd made a mistake in the first place. As for foul language,

What the fuck are you talking about?

it's funny reading crap like this

you seem to have a few glass walls in your own house, so you might want to stop chucking those stones around.

 

I'm outta this thread

Bye bye. Have fun in "Kuwait."

[Guest Powerplay]

Since this has degenerated into a debate about crimes of the poor vs. crimes of the rich, I'll put my viewpoint in.

 

Honestly, poor people do commit more crimes, since they have more motivation to and there are simply more of the poor then there are rich. There is really no arguing that, because it would be statistically be impossible for the vice versa to be true. But while the crimes of the poor tend to only to victimize a few (rape, murder, mugging), upper class crimes like in the recent outbreak of corporate corruption effect the thousands of people who trusted the higherups. It has a wierd balance to it, when you look at it.

[Guest J*ingus]

Two things:

 

1. At least half of all crimes are committed to make more money. Poor people obviously need money more than rich people.

 

2. When they do commit crimes, rich people can afford better lawyers.

[Guest Some Guy]

Powerplay if by rich you are refering to millionaires only and by poor you mean people with less than a Million, I'd agree that there are more poor people than rich. However the vast majority of people in this country have enough money to get by without needing to rob someone. I have very little sympathy for people who do that. It only worsens their problems. Get a job at McDonalds if you really need money, you'll end up making more in the end and stayong out of prison more than robbing people. But robbign some woman at gunpoint for the $20 in her purse is soooooo much easier than displaying the responsibilty requires to hold down any job. Same for selling drugs. Maybe people in this country would be more in favor of larger welfare programs if the majority of the peoiple who collect would show genuine desire to get off of it. I would be in favor of larger checks every month if the person had to get off of welfare permanently after a few years. But that's not what happens, instead we get welfare lifers who become reliant on the state to survive.

[Guest Shaved Bear]

realistically, the President can't say "The economy is doomed, we're all fucked"

[Guest NoCalMike]

realistically, the President can't say "The economy is doomed, we're all fucked">>>>>>

 

Of course not, yet he can also call on people in power and corporate leaders to stop cheating people and practice better business policies.....That might bring back a little trust to Corporate America

[Guest big Dante Cruz]

And what was that bill he was going to sign once Congress gave it to him?

[Guest NoCalMike]

I dunno, Dante, why don't you explain it to me?

[Guest big Dante Cruz]

Unless I heard CNN wrong, Congress was rushing a bill through about putting CEO's and such to the wall whenever there was fraud in their record keeping, something about 20 yrs in prison is in there and whatnot. And, unless I heard CNN wrong, Dubya said "Get the bill to me and I'll be happy to sign it."

[Guest Edwin MacPhisto]

Just a quick note here. I think people had it nailed down in the beginning of the thread, but since it's gone off-course:

 

The 'economy' and the stock market/land of investor trading have a minor relationship at best, and there's no mandatory correlation between a failing market and a failing economy. This is why it's fine for Bush to say that the economy is a-okay, because it is. The market has seen better days, but capitalism rides on, and the economy is coasting along pleasantly.

 

Now, go buy more things, just to make sure we're all kosher.

[Guest NoCalMike]

Now, go buy more things, just to make sure we're all kosher.>>>

 

well yah, that is basically how our society works. It is all about how much money you waste as to where some other countries it is how much you save. That is why in this country people are made to believe they NEED certain things even though they go into debt trying to get them.

[Guest EricMM]

I think it can be said that poor people commit more punishable crimes, but the rich sometimes seem like real criminals. An excerpt from one of my favorite books

 

"Owning five blocks of low income housing where people lived like cockroaches and employing these people in minimum wage slave jobs was not a crime, but living in these conditions, and working said job, practically made you a criminal in the eyes of the law"

 

thats not paraphrased I probably screwed it up. But there is a real difference between being a merciless asshole and a criminal, so sorry to say. We can't say to factory owners that they shouldn't be factory owners because they pay their people much less than they're worth. Thats not a crime but I think it's rephrehensable. (sp)

 

Either way I think it's funny that there could be an economic meltdown because of the stock market's reliance on bravery in the face of adversity. Is there some other way to do our economy?

[Guest DrTom]

Poor people commit more crimes in absolute terms. There are simply more poor folks than rich folks in this country, and all other factors being equal, they'll commit more crimes. Considering that a lot of crime in this country revolves around drugs and/or money, it's easy to see why the poor commit more crimes.

 

The crimes the rich commit, though, tend to be wider-reaching. Instead of robbing a few convenience stores for crack money, rich folks lie about their company's finances, embezzle money, etc, until the company is a financial failure, they're filing for bankruptcy, and the workers have gotten the shaft. Since the legal system is still very much about money, the rich are able to get better representation and avoid jail far more often.

 

Whether the crimes of the poor or the rich are more damaging to society is a value judgment.