Can WWE take Japanese wrestlers seriously?

[Guest Hogan Made Wrestling]

If WWE actually brought in a top guy like Mutoh or Kobashi he would probably get pushed seriously enough, moreso than juniors like Taka and Funaki.

[Guest Downhome]

In case any are even more currious, here you go...

 

 

 

 

...there ya go, in case you wish to make him in No Mercy, lol!

[Guest AndrewTS]

Actually...Japanese wrestlers may have it worse.

 

Brining them in, no matter how good an angle or how much money could be made...would mean the WWE would have to recognize that they are not the only promotion in the world.

 

They only do that when they are real desperate (making fun of WCW and bringing ECW talent on RAW when ratings were shit)

 

They are back into the "WWE is the beginning and end of pro wrestling" groove again.

 

 

someone thinks I'm valuable!

 

WOOOOO!!!

 

Time to postwhore!

What if WWE somehow got ahold of a young Japanese-American here, and groomed him as they have with Brock, Cena, and the rest of those guys. Do you think in THAT situation they would then give one a TRUE chance?

 

(How does it feel to feel valuable here, I really wish to know! )

Yeah...maybe then, just like I said above more or less. Because pretty much all native Japanese have problems with English pronounciation unless they spent much of their childhoods with Americans.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

Possibly.

 

MCMAhon only likes things that he creates.

 

That's why he takes an olympic champion and makes him a dork.

 

Plus...as soon as the generic WWE japanese music hit...the poor guy would be done.

[Guest Downhome]

If WWE actually brought in a top guy like Mutoh or Kobashi he would probably get pushed seriously enough, moreso than juniors like Taka and Funaki.

I think the Juniors would have more of a chance than a guy like Kobashi or the such.

[Guest Downhome]

Plus...as soon as the generic WWE japanese music hit...the poor guy would be done.

So even home grown, you feel they'd stick him with a "Japanse gimmick"?

[Guest gwf0704]

The WWE is racist thus no japanese, hispanic, gay, european will ever be elevated. I know the Rock has had major success but I seem to remember a lot of people wondering if Rock was even black at one time due to skin color.....

 

But to my point that the WWE is racist just look at the facts about how they portray the stereotypes:

 

Booker T and Farooq speak ghetto or ebonics

 

Funaki and Tajiri apparantly cant speak english well and are unable to get over without a white guy helping (Tajiri with Knoble and earlier with Regal)

 

Eddie Guerrero speaking gang member speak (I'm hispanic so I know we all dont speak like that) and the child abuse thing was kind of derogative. Its like saying all Italians are in the mob.

 

Canadians hate the US because they feel inferior

 

Gays ( or those as portrayed) cant seem to be manly as they seem to have to show their feminine side even though there are gay people who are as masculine as the rest of us....

 

Women are only T & A and if they want to be treated with respect they are made fun of (Molly Holly)

 

I mean, is it really a surprise that Booker and Goldust were teamed together as they are both minorities (though Rhodes is just acting) fighting against the MAN....

 

Just my measly two cents worth.......

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

I loved Yang in 2001 as he was SUCH a CIMA clone (cept for Yang Time...that just replaced the mad splash). Nailing perfect drivers, venus' and cross-arm iconoclasms, and other CIMA spots. SIGH.

[Guest Vyce]

And I think Jinsei Shinzaki (Hakushi) sucks for the most part.

 

I'm a Shinzaki fan, but I can understand your point of view.

 

The thing is, Jinsei's style would probably fit in with the WWE.

 

And I'd like to throw this out, just so someone can confirm this - Yang is 100% American, right? I remember back during the last days of WCW, Mike Tenay gave some background on the guy. I thought I remember him saying Yang grew up in Georgia (around the Atlanta area).

 

Oh, by the way, YANG RETURNS TO NWA - TNA TONIGHT! (July 24!)

 

Sorry, had to plug.

[Guest Downhome]

Its like saying all Italians are in the mob.

Sorta like what they are implying with Johnny the Bull?

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I think that the biggest promblem would be...if they got a hold of a hot young Japanese prospect early enough to consider him WWE family...

 

They would just teach him the WWE style...and the entire idea of a Japanese wrestler boils down to nothing more than another WWE wrestler...who was born farther away then most.

 

Maybe they wouldn't give him the generic music though.

[Guest Downhome]

I loved Yang in 2001 as he was SUCH a CIMA clone (cept for Yang Time...that just replaced the mad splash). Nailing perfect drivers, venus' and cross-arm iconoclasms, and other CIMA spots. SIGH.

So, did you like Yang or not? He 100% won me over when he hit that move off the top rope and made it one of his main moves. He is only the second I've ever seen do it. Do you know what I'm talking about?

 

I'm a Shinzaki fan, but I can understand your point of view.

 

The thing is, Jinsei's style would probably fit in with the WWE.

 

And I'd like to throw this out, just so someone can confirm this - Yang is 100% American, right? I remember back during the last days of WCW, Mike Tenay gave some background on the guy. I thought I remember him saying Yang grew up in Georgia (around the Atlanta area).

 

Oh, by the way, YANG RETURNS TO NWA - TNA TONIGHT! (July 24!)

 

Sorry, had to plug.

 

I am a huge Shinzaki fan also, I just love his style from top to bottom and was damn pissed when I realized who he was once I started watching Puroresu. I couldn't BELIEVE WWE had him and didn't do more with him!

 

As for Yang, yes I do believe he is American. I remember them talking about him also, he's also VERY young. I didn't know he was in NWA-TNA, so there is ANOTHER reason for me to find a way to start watching it.

[Guest Downhome]

I think that the biggest promblem would be...if they got a hold of a hot young Japanese prospect early enough to consider him WWE family...

 

They would just teach him the WWE style...and the entire idea of a Japanese wrestler boils down to nothing more than another WWE wrestler...who was born farther away then most.

 

Maybe they wouldn't give him the generic music though.

Or they could just give Jammie Noble a zoro mask again and call him Jammisan, I mean, that fooled EVERY WCW fan didn't it? Hell, he DOES speak English afterall!

[Guest Kid Kablam]

Take a Japanese Wrestler seriously? But they don't have ruth;ess agression! And they're eeeeeeeeevil!!!!! And they say things like "I chopee chopee your Pee Pee!" Duh, don't you guys know anything about the EEEEEEEvil Japanese CUlture?

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

So, did you like Yang or not?

 

-"I loved Yang in 2001" - I think so

 

He 100% won me over when he hit that move off the top rope and made it one of his main moves. He is only the second I've ever seen do it. Do you know what I'm talking about?

 

-Iconoclasm or Yang Time? I don't quite know what you are talking aboot.

 

I remember watching the Cruiserweight Countdown in January of 2001 and Yang just totally busted out the CIMA offense... It was fan-farkin-tarstic. I must have marked out a dozen times in that match; thank god i taped it.

[Guest Downhome]

Take a Japanese Wrestler seriously? But they don't have ruth;ess agression! And they're eeeeeeeeevil!!!!! And they say things like "I chopee chopee your Pee Pee!" Duh, don't you guys know anything about the EEEEEEEvil Japanese CUlture?

I don't guess so, lol. I guess I skipped class that day when they taught us all of that.

[Guest Downhome]

-Iconoclasm or Yang Time? I don't quite know what you are talking aboot.

I am talking about Yang Time, but now that I think about it, he's also only the second person I've ever seen do the Iconoclasm, lol. I am SO glad I used to tape EVERY WCW Cruiserweight match for about 1-2 years. I love those tapes so much, lol.

[Guest EricMM]

I just started using Hotline, and I happeend to pick up a CIMA/Magnum TOKYO match.

 

WELL.

 

This CIMA guy is my new favorite guy in my gameboy game, he is soooo awsome. He does the Mad Splash, which is actually like the Lo down more than a frog splash. He does the Iconoclasm which I mark for, and he's got such great heat. That Corkscrew Plancha was unreal.

 

Actually Magnum TOKYO was really good as well. He did the Shooting Star Press, and his taunt is the old Val Venis hip grind thing. He's the one who did the grinding superrana.

 

But I have come to the conclusion that WWE does not want any more uber talented people. They don't WANT to sign Low-Ki instead of Maven. They don't WANT to use American Dragon instead of Cena. They are not looking for fabulous offense, they are looking for reasonable, conservative, repetitive wrestlers to develop into characters, and build skits around

[Guest Downhome]

I just started using Hotline, and I happeend to pick up a CIMA/Magnum TOKYO match.

 

WELL.

 

This CIMA guy is my new favorite guy in my gameboy game, he is soooo awsome. He does the Mad Splash, which is actually like the Lo down more than a frog splash. He does the Iconoclasm which I mark for, and he's got such great heat. That Corkscrew Plancha was unreal.

 

Actually Magnum TOKYO was really good as well. He did the Shooting Star Press, and his taunt is the old Val Venis hip grind thing. He's the one who did the grinding superrana.

Ah yes, welcome to the Torymon fan club! Now you must download something from this guy...

 

 

...and then prepare to become a huge fan of him. He is Dragon Kid, and the Dragonrana will rule you!

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

I did not tape enough... I only have aboot 6 cruiser matches from 2001 on tape... Damn good matches though.

[Guest EricMM]

Honestly, that Toryumon stuff is good, but I think I prefer Low-Ki, Christopher Daniels, and A.J. Styles to them...

 

They just seem more serious.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

If 'paying your dues' was legit, Funaki'd be World Champ by now.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

..and as for the Dragon Kid..the multiple revolution headscissors is just..insane.. O_O

[Guest Trivia247]

The Answer is that No they don't take Japanese wrestlers seriously. Some Deep Seeded resentment of Japanese style and popularity in the sport.

 

Those who were taken seriously

 

Was Inoki who was during the First McMahon Period where the titles were challenged and defended all over the world

Kinda like the Light Heavyweight title that spent most of its life over seas and in mexico.

 

The Orient Express was remotely taken seriously because their matches with the Rockers Kick ass..

 

Tenryu match with Kitao against Demolition at WM7, the only reason they were taken seriously was because of the Deal the WWF had at the time with Tenryu's Defunct SWS

 

But if your not like Great Sasuke and give the WWF booking tour dates in Michinoku Pro or any promotion in exchange for wrestling in WWF, then they aren't gonna treat you seriously and basically ruin their crediblity in the US.

 

Funaki one day during a House show with Noble should just SNAP and bust out his J Cup Material

the crowd might Pop but he'd get fired in the same instance.

[Guest thefrenchargel]

Sure, I'd like to see a few Japanese wrestlers in the WWE, but for the most part, if I want to watch some puro, I'll just watch puro, you know? Kinda keep the two separate, as I like them both when they're good.

[Guest Downhome]

I'm not even exactly talking of having them come in and work the Puror style. I mean, I've just wondered why there aren't no Japanese national guys PERIOD ever taken seriously, have it be they were born and raised in Japan, or here!

[Guest Steve J. Rogers]

Uh Vandelay, when was that Kaientai illustration done? Quite errie and not something I'd post again if I were you. Not that this is a PC board or anything but if any people here that are reading are anything like the PC police who whinned when Starbucks had a Coolata poster featuring insects hovering around two large cups of Coolatas

 

Steve

[Guest razazteca]

What if WWE somehow got ahold of a young Japanese-American here, and groomed him as they have with Brock, Cena, and the rest of those guys. Do you think in THAT situation they would then give one a TRUE chance

Nah, probably get something like the Somoans? or the Tiger Woods-ish, The Rock?

[Guest cynicalprofit]

I know for a fact the WWF brought in tiger Mask for atleast one show, and yes he got over with the msg crowd, but other then that i dont know what they did with him.

 

And they did treat sasuke with great respect when he first started, but that went sour because he left, leaving taka to take his punsihment of never getting over for sasukes asking of to much money and leaving.

[Guest Vyce]

As for Yang, yes I do believe he is American. I remember them talking about him also, he's also VERY young. I didn't know he was in NWA-TNA, so there is ANOTHER reason for me to find a way to start watching it.

I remember this about him as well - he is pretty young.

 

Back during the Yung Dragons days, I vaguely remember Tenay talking about how Yang had only recently graduated high school. This was late 2000 / early 2001, so I'd place him in his early 20s at best.

 

I'm a fan of the guy, so I'm hoping he has a long future ahead of him, either here in the States or in Japan.