The Scott Hall story (this time with a source!)

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Last week at RAW, Scott Hall was reportedly dragged off to his hotel room from the public spectacle he made of himself or goofing off, which again, totally embarrassed WWF management who tried to tell the WWF locker room that Hall changed his ways.

 

When Jim Ross and Vince McMahon told Steve Austin that he'd be wrestling Scott Hall at Wrestlemania, last Tuesday in Los Angeles for the Smackdown tapings, Austin felt something to the effect of why even waste my time, as Hall won't be around in the WWF by the time Wrestlemania does come around.

 

Austin wasn't the only wrestler against Hall. Several WWF wrestlers came to management and told them that they didn't want to work with Scott Hall.

 

At the Smackdown Tapings in Los Angeles last week, the individuals that Scott Hall angered about their finishing move was the Dudley Boyz. Hall went up to the Dudleys and either said "that's a great move you have (the 3D). I can't wait to kick out of it" or that's a realistic finisher you have" in a sarcastic way, and then laughed afterward when mocking the move. It's said that this kind of attitude is typical Scott Hall, as really seen in WCW, and the current WWF roster hasn't ever seen someone act this way. Hall also continued to annoy everyone with his claims of turning his life around, too.

 

At those same Smackdown tapings, Scott Hall was told by Ross and McMahon that this wasn't WCW and his behavior wouldn't be tolerated. It's believed that Hall is exactly one more incident away from being released, even with the major plans surrounding him. Many WWF wrestlers were openly talking to one another about how Hall probably won't last in the WWF.

 

The only person to STILL stick up for the NWO was Triple H in Los Angeles, as reported before. He actually told Hall, Hogan, and Nash that they'd have to travel to Cincinnati to train with the HWA crew. Hulk Hogan didn't go, however, for whatever reason.

 

The WWF locker room mood was said to have hit an all time low, and comparisons were made to the situation in 1995, where the WWF was falling apart. The only difference between now and 1995 is that the WWF actually makes money these days.

 

Kevin Nash and Hulk Hogan were called "fantastic politicians", according to several backstage reports. Nash, in particular, was apparently trying to win over locker room leader, the Undertaker. Hogan and Nash did what they had to do in Los Angeles and reportedly split after they finished.

 

There's currently two trains of thought for Hulk Hogan. Some feel he'll work his way into gaining power backstage for the long haul, while others believe he'll just be a short-term act and he'll begin to take his many vacations like he did during his final days of WCW.

 

Many believe that Kevin Nash is the most dangerous backstage threat of the 3 members of the NWO, due to his ability to charm and to align himself with whoever has power within the WWF. Hall is said to NOT be dangerous backstage, as he has problems with his own self. Hogan is said to be only out for himself, whereas Kevin Nash seems to be out for influence, such as wanting writers to take care of him. Nash is said to be great at making friends, for political situations or to weasel into an angle.

 

[ Credit: Dave Meltzer's Wrestling Observer Newsletter ]

 

 

The cause of this post is that I started a thread about the subject that didn't come from a good enough source to be beleived as truth.

 

Whether or not the Observer is enough to make it so...is up to you.

 

I do feel that it is a good topic of discussion, however.

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Now...if Scott Hall has to go...does the WWF immediatly have to hire Scott Steiner?

 

Or do they start turning everyone NWO?

 

I'm not starting this question as if Hall leaving is a fact...only as a question.

 

Damn...I hate having to over clarify myself to avoid constant flaming.

[Guest The Vanilla Midget]

wow, thats pretty damning.  i thought that hall was saying he would kick out of the finisher of some jobber, but the dudleys, thats pretty harsh and stupid as well.  as to the rest of it, it doesnt surprise me: hall will be there at mania, but i cant see him lasting long beyond it.  hogan is old, and i dont care if he takes a lot of vacations, then i wont have to see him every week, brutha! nash is well nash, and i wish him all the luck in his backstage machinations seriously, once he becomes a threat to taker and hhh backstage, its TOOT TOOT! and *goodbye* to big daddy cool.

[Guest The Vanilla Midget]

lol, i know how you feel bps, i was dodging flames for a fair part of the evening too, but that is in the past now.  they probably would have to bring in steiner, as i think they would have probably learnt that mass turnings are not really the answer.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I must admit...even I didn't think it was as bad as it is made out here.

 

It's really sad to see what someone is doing with their...8th chance?

 

The worst part is that if someone like Guererro got a 2nd chance...

[Guest The Vanilla Midget]

hall is such a jackass, i marked out for the razor's edge on raw, but since this crap, i just cant like the guy anymore.  he *was* pretty good, but now, he is a cancer by gawd, and cancers need to be killed by gawd! /JR shill mode off

[Guest Vern Gagne]

From 1wrestling. Not always reliable,but this seems legit.

 

Many midcarders are worried the NWO will take away from their TV time.

 

Hogan, Hall and Nash showed up Sunday around 1:30 alot later than anyone else, they also wore their NWO colors and showed up in limos, everyone else drives a renta-car to the arena. They also wore theri NWO gear. Most everyone else just wears their normal clothes.

 

If this is true. Judging by their history, I really think it is. The lockerroom should sit these guys down, and tell them if they pull any backstage shit they'll be sorry they ever came back.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I saw a report that the observer was saying that Hall would be wrestling Austin at the house show (to prepare for Mania) I'm going to saturday.  Austin was supposed to wrestle Booker T (and I was upset at the change quite honestly...)...and WWF.com hasn't updated the card to include the change....

 

BUT...in light of this I will be happy to see Austin vs. Hall...while it lasts.

[Guest The Vanilla Midget]

yeah, you maybe looking at history!!! and you could even start a "last call" chant during hall's match.  or even 3D, 3D (like when the duds set it up).  well bps you can tell us how good he is in the ring as well, and whether all the apathy was true, and that the nwo will stink up the ring or that (let it be true) we were totally wrong and they are great.

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Thanks for posting that...I saw it before and forgot all about it.

 

I also saw that Vince and JR were happy with how Raw went and didn't repremand their lateness.

 

For once...I am on Bradshaw's side if he want's to start shit...who knows it might even get him fired.  EVERYBODY WINS!

[Guest Youth N Asia]

I think Vince will have to keep everyone around for a little while...simply because Vince Mcmahon doesn't want to look like he's made a bad decision in hiring Hall...cause if Vince has to fire the man anytime soon then everyone's going to say "I told you so"

 

And really, do you think Hall cares?

 

He knows that he has zero power right now (HHH or not)...he knows he's on a short leash and still does this...He OBVIOUSLY didn't care one way or the other if he had a job in WCW...I don't think the man wants to work.

 

And the whole backstage thing...Hall and Nash were over because of Michaels...on their own I don't think they could get in Vince's ear without HBK backing them up...and I don't think HHH could pull it off today like Shawn did back in the day. The lockerroom wouldn't put up with it.

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I'd prefer Hall be great.

 

He's easily the best worker of the 3...but he's no HHH...and look what ring rust has done to him so far.

[Guest The Vanilla Midget]

hell, id love for hall to be great too.  but he doesnt exactly look like hes been training too hard, and only time will tell.  he can probably have a good match, i just wouldnt like to see it go for any great length of time, i cant imagine his endurance is too good.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

No I wouldn't imagine so...oh well...a match with Austin is a brawl anyway.

 

BTW....I figure that Hall is pimping that Stone Cold Stunner to have a move to do against Austin that could be a beleivable finisher.

 

NO WAY Austin can get dropped with the Razor's Edge with his neck...

[Guest Army Eye]

Scott Hall has done a lot of really dumb things in his life.  He has proved to have some self-destructive tendencies and it wouldn't surprise me at all if this was true and he ends up having another sad spectacle.

 

If Hall gets released, then yes I agree that they should try to bring Steiner in ASAP.  Two guys would not be enough for the NWO.  Who knows, maybe at that point they'd consider guys like Savage and Jarrett too.

 

BUT.... and sorry if I sound like Triple H backstage, being the only NWO sympathizer..  I think people should consider the possibility that the WWF is 'working the sheets'.  The WWF is more aware of the smarks with every day that passes.  And, incredibly, since the NWO's arrival was announced on Smackdown, the WWF has been openly playing up the fact that the NWO is a locker room cancer and that is one of the ways they helped to doom WCW.  It's quite notable since it's the first time I can remember the WWF ever acknowledging that there is any kind of backstage/locker room decorum at all.  

 

To me, it's almost inexplicable that Hall would go up to the Dudleys and mock their finisher.  I suppose if anybody were capable of that, it would be Hall though.  All I'm saying is that it sounds pretty convenient, and I'm not totally convinced yet.  Ever since the NWO came in, there has been a steady stream of stories about the NWO upsetting the locker room balance, which is, in essence, what the WWF promised us would happen.  Sentences in the above article like "The WWF locker room mood was said to have hit an all time low" is what really makes me wonder.  It all sounds too good.

 

On the other hand, at the Smackdown tapings it sounds like Austin completely humiliates Hall, which is surprising at this stage of the angle.  It does sound like something the WWF would do to slap some sense into him.

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you know...they really could be working the sheets on this one.

 

It just seems odd that Hall would be this big a fuck-up IMMEDIATLY!

 

But...maybe hall is that messed up.  I deem this...too close to call.

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I suppose this could explain why Austin vs. Hall hasn't actually been announced for Mania yet...

 

And after Raw...they could easily dump Austin into another Angle match if Hall doesn't last.

 

Remember...Buff the Stuff was let go for far less than this.

[Guest Army Eye]

you know...they really could be working the sheets on this one.

 

It just seems odd that Hall would be this big a fuck-up IMMEDIATLY!

 

But...maybe hall is that messed up.  I deem this...too close to call.

Yeah.. it really is a tough call.  I can't convince myself one way or the other.  I just can't shake the thought of Finkel and the rest of the WWF Internet crew sitting back and laughing at how the know-it-all net smarks have been thoroughly worked.

 

From either perspective, it's a fascinating story.  If it's real, it's also frustrating that Hall would threaten to piss away a golden opportunity.  If it's fake, we'll have to think twice whenever we read backstage gossip.  It's actually kind of cool not knowing what's going on.

 

Good point about Austin vs. Hall not being announced yet.

[Guest InigoMontoya]

I haven't considered myself a smark for very long, so I can't comment on Hall's actions with too much knowledge... only what I hear here.

Anyway, Hall saying to another wrestler or two, sounds really childish, literally. I couldn't imagine a grown man saying something like that and being serious. It's like two little kids playing some kind of super hero game and one kid telling the other his fire eyes don't work because his ice beams cool it down.

But we are talking about Hall afterall.

[Guest The Vanilla Midget]

we probably are being worked, if the hall situation was *really* this bad, the wwf wouldnt allow *any* concrete evidence of it (like this) to be leaked.  the other argument is that it really *is* this bad, and the locker room is rebelling by leaking all this info as a way of getting back at management.  maybe hall should make an appointment with bradshaw and the baby oil.

 

bps: you are right, they are waiting to pull the trigger on this fued, smarks can see the beginnings of it, but they havent "led the horses to water" so to speak for the marks to realise.  if this is all true, then hall is an absolute moron, as it wouldnt take a genious to realise this is his last chance, and even he would have to realise what a jackass he is.

[Guest Loss4Words]

Well, based on what I've read so far, I think the locker room is overreacting a little, even if everything we read was true. I agree that Hall should be controlling his lifestyle if he wants to contribute, but backstage problems should only be backstage problems when they directly affect what happens on television. Hall hasn't done much so far, but he hasn't done anything terrible on TV just yet. I agree that it's a very childish thing to do, but consider two things:

 

1. Maybe Scott Hall was only joking and meant what he said to the Dudleys facetiously.

2. If any wrestler gets upset that another wrestler criticizes his finisher, he's a little on the markish side anyway.

 

If I were Bubba Ray or D-Von, I would have either just laughed it off or came back with a comment about his alcoholism or his own finisher even. Then, what's done is done and the problem is over.

 

Maybe instead of whining to management or the sheets, the wrestlers should just stand up for themselves when someone like Scott Hall starts bullying them. That doesn't mean to promote altercation, it just means that you send Scott Hall a message that you're not putting up with his shit.

 

If Hall is already one screw up away from being fired, then I blame the WWF. They hired him fully aware of his reputation and they took the gamble, so if it blows up in their faces, they have no one to blame but themselves. Also, if they are that concerned about his backstage behavior, then maybe they should be putting Nash in a match with Austin at Wrestlemania and put Hall a little lower on the card.

 

I think one of the problems Scott Hall has faced is that he isn't challenged enough. Make him prove himself. Give him a true sense that he HAS to prove himself. Maybe that would motivate him. He just waltzed right into a program with Steve Austin and will get a HUGE payday off of the match. Put him against a midcarder they plan on feuding with the group. Team him with X-Pac against virtually anyone. It doesn't matter.

 

Hulk Hogan gaining influence is something that I would be incredibly naive to say couldn't happen, but he's going to have to REALLY be crafty here. HHH will be watching him. The Undertaker, Steve Austin, the Rock, Kurt Angle, Chris Jericho and the rest of the locker room will be watching him. So far, he seems to be making an excellent impression and whether it was sincere or not, the WWF.com interview was exactly the image he needs to be portraying backstage. As long as he keeps doing that, I see no problem with him. At this point, he's not doing anything that William Regal and Chris Jericho haven't done as far as kissing ass to the booking committee in exchange for a push. If he wants to take vacations, I think that's terrific. Hogan's value actually increases when he's NOT around. Hogan is VERY easily overexposed, so the frequent vacations would actually be good for both his sustained drawing power and WWF locker room morale. You can't make Hulk Hogan a midcarder. He's just too established. So bring him in and let him do short, energetic programs with top guys or stars on the rise and I don't see a problem. It's the same way Roddy Piper was used in WCW, and that style was actually effective until 1999 with him.

 

As for Kevin Nash, I agree that he's probably the most dangerous manipulator of the three. It's hard to see someone as deceiving when they are so charming and funny. Bravo to Nash for actually using it to his advantage, but once again, he's in a situation where he's being watched very closely. And while Nash's track record is spotty at best, if you look at his final WCW days where he was actually helping the Natural Born Thrillers get over, helping the young guys backstage, acting as a locker room leader, working harder in matches (check out the Scott Steiner Nitro match after Sin last January) and putting Booker T over clean as a whistle, then maybe his reputation has become too much of a storybook saga and it's totally overblown.

 

I thought for a long time that bringing in these three would kill the WWF, but that's just as much propaganda as anything Hogan or Nash could spiel themselves. WHEN something happens, I will probably say something, but nothing has happened yet, so I don't see the problem.

 

If they arrive to the arena at 1:30 in full gear ready to go, I think that's a good thing, not a bad thing. It shows that they are having fun with their characters and take pride in getting themselves over. Yeah, they were late, and I agree that they should be reprimanded for that just like anyone else should, but look at something.

 

I'm not saying they should be treated as better than the rest of the roster, but if Wrestlemania X8 draws a massive buyrate, which is exactly what I'm predicting (I'm thinking a record), what does it even matter if they are 30 minutes late? Sometimes, the wrestlers who complain aren't really part of the solution, but they're definitely part of the problem. It's obvious to anyone with a brain that the NWO needs to go over right now and needs to get ample TV time to accomplish just that. That keeps this whole thing from becoming just another angle. It's what best for business. If, say, Edge or Rob Van Dam can't handle that, then they're not being team players and they're doing the same things that the NWO guys have been accused of for years -- putting themselves and their own interests before those of the company.

 

So, let's not be hypocritical. Let's not hope the NWO guys get reprimanded for being "backstage cancers" while complaining that the WCW guys were all buried during the Invasion and that they booked too much for locker room morale. I have no problem with us looking at this from a business standpoint if the conversation dictates such, but let's shit or get off the pot here. In other words, if you're a Lance Storm fan, don't go on tangents about how Lance Storm getting a push would be best for business. Claim that you like him all you want. Put him over to your heart's content. But try not to mix markish feelings and opinions on how the business side of the WWF should be run. Every time a promoter has done that, it's always been a recipe for disaster.

 

That's all.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

The only problem I have with that Loss...is when you say that if the WWF fires Hall tomorrow...you'd blame the WWF.

 

Whether they knew the risks or not...Hall would have pissed away another opportunity.

 

And it would have to be pretty bad to have him get fired for it...with the investment the WWF has made in the NWO.

 

Killing locker room morale is a bad thing.  There's no other way to look at it.

 

How do you think these guys feel about the NWO coming in in the first place.

 

The lower card guys can't get on TV and try to move up the card.

 

The midcard guys can pretty much kiss any chance of moving up to the top anytime soon.

 

And the Main Eventers just got told they aren't good enough.

 

And why?

 

It's not for lack of effort.  Although several things have fallen flat I beleive that from Jericho to Undertaker to Hurricane to Chuck Polumbo the effort has been very high recently.

 

So how does Vince counter the stalled ratings (which are a result of poor booking and angle execution)?  

 

By hiring 3 guys with no work ethic to set up shop at the top of the card.

 

It's no wonder that No Way Out sucked.  First ppv since NWO signed...lack of effort from the workers.

 

That sure seems like a case of low morale.

 

Before the flaming begins...Yes the NWO is over.  Yes the angle on Raw was good.  Yes buyrates are going to go up.

 

That being said...in order to do so...the guys who have been LOYAL to the WWF and busted there ass every night are being replaced on the card by guys who only work on TV.

 

And I for one don't blame them for being upset.

 

WCW had a bad locker room and no room for elavation.

[Guest]

Why is the WWF even considering firing Hall? Wht has he done? He's happy to be back, so what? He's a goof, he likes to have fun. Until he beats up some fan ina drunken stupor, there's no need for ANY action against him.

 

And people being pissy about Hall SAYING, that's the key word here, but not actually kicking out of the 3D. What's up with that? The WWF gets in an uproar about this but do nothing about their own hazing practices? Hall isn't raping people in the showers, he's just having fun. The Dudley's what are they? They're not over. They get apathy. The heat they get I can't really describe. It's like part cheers, part groans. Mostly groans.

 

It's obvious the the fans are bored with basically everyone but RVD and Taker. Most of the mid-card isn't over. Most of the tag teams are not over. Billy and Chuck are the most over heel tag team, and that's taking nothing away from them, but when you have THE Dudley boys in the same division, you're expecting some dominant heels, but nope. They're just so stale. The WWF even used a cop out and added Kiebler to their team. Sad.

 

What the WWF wrestlers don't realize is that they are stale. HHH is over, but not as over as he could be, Angle's over because HHH revived his cheap heat routine, Jericho's crowd reaction is tepid at best, Undertaker is more over as a face than HHH and he's a heel, Steve Austin is going insane, and the Rock is the Rock.  The mid-card and IC division is in shambles.  

 

Fans are losing interest.  If the lockerroom could understand that this angle can help them in the long run, you wouldn't have all this bullshit on the internet. But in the end all they're doing is believing the hype and that makes them just about as good as any of us.  They're basically just marks for themselves.

[Guest Loss4Words]

"The only problem I have with that Loss...is when you say that if the WWF fires Hall tomorrow...you'd blame the WWF.

 

Whether they knew the risks or not...Hall would have pissed away another opportunity."

 

And Vince had to know that was a possibility when they hired him. He's not that stupid.

 

"And it would have to be pretty bad to have him get fired for it...with the investment the WWF has made in the NWO."

 

Definitely. I don't think he should be fired at all. I think he should be warned and reprimanded in other ways. Firing Scott Hall would be just a reverse case of egos getting in the way of what's best for business.

 

"Killing locker room morale is a bad thing.  There's no other way to look at it."

 

Making money is a good thing. There's no other way to look at it.

 

"How do you think these guys feel about the NWO coming in in the first place."

 

I'm sure they're upset, but maybe if they were drawing in the first place, it wouldn't be necessary. If anything, they should be glad because everyone is going to get a huge Wrestlemania payday.

 

"The lower card guys can't get on TV and try to move up the card."

 

I agree. There are so many underutilized and unutilized talents the WWF has under contract. If any of them had the drawing power of the NWO, they'd probably be all over TV. They will get their opportunity in due time, but right now, the WWF is attempting a short-term business boost. They need to deal with it and stop being selfish. As much as I love Jamie Knoble, I can't realistically expect the WWF to turn down the opportunity to make millions so he can be on Raw. As much as the Raven character could really make some money for the WWF, it would take at least of year of character development and establishment of the name for that to happen. Yes, they made mistakes in the past and maybe they should have exercised patience here, but they wanted a quick fix, and they're getting it. How they handle the aftermath is totally up to them.

 

"The midcard guys can pretty much kiss any chance of moving up to the top anytime soon."

 

Then maybe the midcarders should step outside themselves for a second and realize that maybe it's not their time to be on top just yet. That time will come if they remain persistent and focused. Like HHH said, work so hard to get so over that they have no choice but to elevate you. RVD could be main eventing right now, that much I agree with, but he's not. That should just fuel his fire more. It should make him work harder to get even MORE over. Their time WILL COME. In the meantime, cash your checks since business is up, keeping working hard and shut the fuck up. You WILL be rewarded.

 

"And the Main Eventers just got told they aren't good enough."

 

Not good enough? Well, wrestling isn't about the mental state of the main eventers and their feelings, it's about making money. Austin and the Rock and HHH are drawing steady numbers, but they aren't doing what they used to do in terms of bringing in revenue. If the NWO can bring about a short-term business boost, then the top guys should be happy because their spots aren't in jeopardy and they'll be making good money.

 

"And why?

 

It's not for lack of effort.  Although several things have fallen flat I beleive that from Jericho to Undertaker to Hurricane to Chuck Polumbo the effort has been very high recently."

 

Yes it has. The WWF's not perfect. They screw up all the time and I'm usually the first to say so. But they would be making the biggest fuck up ever if they turned down the opportunity to make big money over the next 12 months.

 

"So how does Vince counter the stalled ratings (which are a result of poor booking and angle execution)?"

 

By bringing in new (old) faces and improving the booking and angle execution, or at least that's what I see so far.

 

"By hiring 3 guys with no work ethic to set up shop at the top of the card."

 

They aren't the greatest workers, but they haven't stepped in the ring yet. We'll see what happens, although I definitely agree that they'll probably be a step behind. The question is "does it really matter?" Will the crowds be any less into the match? Will it hurt the buyrate? If the answer is anything but yes, there's a problem. If not, our star ratings mean jack shit compared to a 2.0 buyrate.

 

"It's no wonder that No Way Out sucked.  First ppv since NWO signed...lack of effort from the workers."

 

How about a dead crowd? How about too many run-ins and ref bumps? I thought the PPV was lackluster too, but it wasn't because of lack of effort from the workers. And if they get discouraged to a point where Hogan, Hall and Nash coming in bothers them so much that they refuse to put forth effort, then they don't deserve to be elevated. Bottom line.

 

"That sure seems like a case of low morale."

 

Self-inflicted if that's the case.

 

"Before the flaming begins...Yes the NWO is over.  Yes the angle on Raw was good.  Yes buyrates are going to go up.

 

That being said...in order to do so...the guys who have been LOYAL to the WWF and busted there ass every night are being replaced on the card by guys who only work on TV."

 

True. That's why this isn't a long-term solution to the WWF's woes. I think (read: hope) they realize that.

 

"And I for one don't blame them for being upset."

 

When Hulk Hogan tells Vince McMahon that they're all chumps that deserve to be jobbers, then they have something to complain about. Until then, they should be more open-minded.

 

WCW had a bad locker room and no room for elavation.

[Guest RickyB]

Well I think we're being worked, it really does seem too convinient that the same WWF that written stuff in their magazine about internet marks are suddenly openly admitting that the Locker Room morale is low and that Scott Hall is already causing trouble.

 

I don't see what was wrong about the nWo turning up in their Costumes, they were either really looking forward to being back on TV again or they knew they were going to be late so they got ready for the show before they set off.  And the thing with the limo - maybe the WWF should TELL people what they can and cannot do before they start work for the WWF!

[Guest The Shockmaster!]

I don't consider the Observer article any different than 1wrestling because there is no actual source of this info just a lot of "i have heard" and "i have been told", I could do the exact same article based on past activities and my own speculation and claim to have a great source who is feeding me.

And if any of this true the biggest thing I get from it is that the WWF locker room is full of a bunch of whiny insecure morons who act like this is some broadway play and they are fighting for lines.

[Guest dreamer420]

I wonder how many of these bullshit stories are going to surface during Hall's tenure in the WWF now?  I'd say probably one per day.  Any other guesses?

[Guest mastermind]

Man, this internet stuff is so funny. Back in 1996-1998 the wwf and wcw use to leak storylines or future matches onto the net to see what the response was especially the wwf. In 1997 the wwf was leaking WM matches like 10 months in advance to get response because obviously if it got over on the net with the hard sell smarks it would easily get over with the marks.

 

So, what do we got now? The NWO crap working the net. I mean seriously, so what if Hall mocked the 3D or said he would kick out of it? To me reading that Hall is just being a class clown. You really think the wwf would allow ANY one to go against the match lay outs? Don't be so ridiculous. You know why I think it's a work on the net look at No Way Out and RAW. The Rock HUMILIATED Hogan/Hall/Nash with the past gimmick stuff. Rock HUMILIATED HULKAMANIA on RAW by calling it Hulkacrap. If these guys were weilding so much damn power or influence do you think they would get dissed like that on television? The whole damn angle starts with the NWO trying to be in the backstage at the ppv and they even have a SMARK oriented interview to open the show.

 

Hogan kissing ass on the wwf website isn't any different than what I read when Jericho, Benoit, Malenko, and any other employee getting just hired by the wwf. I hate to say it, but if certain people have a problem and can't see WHY the wwf hired these people like Regal or Storm or the other countless heatless machines in the wwf they AREN'T team players.

 

This goes back to an interview that Pat Patterson had about unions. If the wrestlers aren't forced to compete for spots and get paid the same from the bottom of the card to the top there won't be any intensity or competition. I find that UT has actually put some damn speed and intensity in his interviews since these guys got hired. Austin has kind of turned back to being more serious instead of being a comedian with the WHAT catchphrase. The only problem with the top guys I see is with Rock who ironically made fun of Hogan doing the same thing over which tired fans and is guilty of the same thing. Hell, Jericho has even tried more in his latest matches going back to around Royal Rumble because he knows who is coming in.

 

I find it funny that the stale guys like the Dudleys are the ones who are crying like little babies because of the new employees. Some wrestlers just can't see that the FANS JUST ARE BORED WITH THEM. Whether it's the wwf's booking or not that is the bottom line. Hell, the guys who are the most talented and have the desire WILL come out on top.

 

I will give you examples. Freaking Stone Cold Steve Austin. He came into the wwf with the ringmaster gimmick. Did he cry and whine? He did what he thought was best to try to get himself over. He complained why he thought HE wasn't getting over. He didn't blame other wrestlers, but blamed HIS character and worked on it. Slowly, but surely he got over on HIS terms because of HIS work. The fans started to notice his bottom line catch phrase and then his KOR coronation. It continued all the way until he became a legendary figure of this era of wrestling.

 

The Rock is a different story because he was GIVEN his push right away. However, the fans just didn't accept him as the current fans don't accept certain guys like Storm or some other variant. He was booed out the damn arenas with DIE ROCKY DIE or Rocky Sucks. When he got injured he could have just said to hell with it and blame the wwf for pushing guys like Shawn Michaels and Austin over him, but he came back with desire to get the fans to accept him and improve himself. He changed HIMSELF to get over regardless of the fact that Bret Hart, HBK, DX and whatnot was now getting the strong push that he first got. He slowly got over.

 

Triple H is another person. Yeah, he got the push, but no one else was hated more on the net. Slowly he worked to get the respect of the internet. I can go on with people like Bret Hart who would be kept down on the tag division, but soon enough got over because the fans HAD to respond to his performances. It's simple the wwf was getting stale and the current crop at the moment just wouldn't make it better. In TIME they can, but at the moment they won't.

 

Oh, big freaking deal the NWO show up in the ring gear before the show hours before the event(I don't know silly me thought these guys wore street clothes anyways). I mean Ric Flair wears "his costume" before entering the arena. I really can't believe adults can bitch over such stupid stuff in the wwf.

[Guest Tony149]

The WWF is very tight with what gets thrown out on the net. You never heard much WWF stories as you did WCW stories on the net. While Hall does have some problems he needs to overcome. I wouldn't be surprised if the WWF is working the smarts.

[Guest TheMikeSC]

Why is the WWF even considering firing Hall? Wht has he done? He's happy to be back, so what? He's a goof, he likes to have fun. Until he beats up some fan ina drunken stupor, there's no need for ANY action against him.

 

 

The WWF took a HUGE gamble on these three. They took 3 guys that many in the locker room don't want to be there, especially considering how terribly WCW's "stars" tend to behave in other promotions.

 

So, how do these guys REPAY the WWF for taking a chance on them? By doing exactly what ALL of the critics said they'd do.

 

Does the WWF have a reason to fire Hall? Absolutely. He's causing problems in the locker room and that is not acceptable.

 

 

And people being pissy about Hall SAYING, that's the key word here, but not actually kicking out of the 3D. What's up with that?

 

 

 

If he says he'll do it, you can't risk even sticking him in the ring with the Dudley Boys or he might screw up the match.

 

That's a bit of a problem.

 

 

 

The WWF gets in an uproar about this but do nothing about their own hazing practices?

 

 

World of difference between WWF guys dealing with newcomers and newcomers disrupting the WWF locker room.

 

 

Hall isn't raping people in the showers, he's just having fun.

 

 

 

The WWF guys didn't rape anybody in the showers.

 

And if Hall's fun causes locker room strife, Hall might need to change his idea of fun.

 

 

 

The Dudley's what are they? They're not over. They get apathy. The heat they get I can't really describe. It's like part cheers, part groans. Mostly groans.

 

 

 

And Hall is over?

 

I must've missed the massive crowds the guy has drawn.

 

 

It's obvious the the fans are bored with basically everyone but RVD and Taker. Most of the mid-card isn't over. Most of the tag teams are not over. Billy and Chuck are the most over heel tag team, and that's taking nothing away from them, but when you have THE Dudley boys in the same division, you're expecting some dominant heels, but nope. They're just so stale. The WWF even used a cop out and added Kiebler to their team. Sad.

 

 

 

So they bring in guys who were even MORE stale in WCW. They took a huge gamble, praying that these guys wouldn't make them look bad---and the gamble is not paying off up to this point.

 

 

 

What the WWF wrestlers don't realize is that they are stale. HHH is over, but not as over as he could be, Angle's over because HHH revived his cheap heat routine, Jericho's crowd reaction is tepid at best, Undertaker is more over as a face than HHH and he's a heel, Steve Austin is going insane, and the Rock is the Rock.  The mid-card and IC division is in shambles.  

 

Fans are losing interest.  If the lockerroom could understand that this angle can help them in the long run, you wouldn't have all this bullshit on the internet. But in the end all they're doing is believing the hype and that makes them just about as good as any of us.  They're basically just marks for themselves.

 

 

 

What you fail to realize is that the odds of this angle helping anything is slim, at best. The nWo hasn't drawn a fly since 1998.

                            -=Mike

 

...Who'd rather see the WWF use talented people to revitalize the product, rather than has-beens.