Guest converge241 Report post Posted July 24, 2002 first let me say somebody can be pro-life anti-life pro-choice indifferent , whatever I DONT CARE what does bother me is som of the stuff the PL's will do in protest. my wife works in a Planned Parenthood clinic so i get as close to firsthand examples of such. The lates one was: after hours the camera caught a woman coming up to entryway openign a large garbage bag then taking out MUTILATED DOGS AND RUBBING THEM ON THE WALLS AND THROWING THEM AROUND EVERYWHERE IN THE ENTRANCE AREA i mean wtf? this is all on top of the fact that pics of my wife are on websites as people to KILL if the chance arises Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DrTom Report post Posted July 24, 2002 I've always found the pro-life crowd to be ridiculously hypocritical. They're pro-life, unless you happen to be a doctor who performs abortions or a person who works in a clinic. Then their stance is relaxed considerably, as numerous tragedies will attest to. Were I you, I would advise your wife to obtain a permit to carry a gun, just in case. The mutilated dogs thing is farcically over the top. What kind of a mentally unbalanced cretin does something like that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest converge241 Report post Posted July 24, 2002 I know..something about the dogs i just couldnt understand. Weve taken all kinds of precautions in our lives and i understand why they attack humans (well not really but lets say im used to it) but this just struck me as really out there. Another thing, legally I dont understand how they are allowed to blatantly videotape everyone without their consent (that is still illegal right?) during protests while patients/staff enter the building and post on their websites/videos.... oh another personal favorite one protester dressed up as a cop and was "escorting" people through the mob. the real police just kicked him out of the area. I thought impersonating officers was illegal too? I mean sure go there make a sign sing songs protest ..its your right (actually i feel bd for patients because im sure its hard enough for them with what they already going through, then having to see pictures of dead babies, hating etc.) but all these types of actions makes me more mad then i could ever get over abortion itself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted July 24, 2002 I'm pro life (I dont want to start a big debate here) and I think a lot of those whackos need to calm the fuck down. There are better ways to getting your point across and that's not one of them Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest J*ingus Report post Posted July 24, 2002 I think that the picket lines outside abortion clinics need to be outlawed. This goes way beyond the right of the population to assemble; it's threatening the lives and livelihoods of the people who work at these places. And can anyone explain to me the reasoning behind the line of thought, "I am so morally outraged by murder that I will KILL to stop it"? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Cancer Marney Report post Posted July 24, 2002 I'm pro-choice myself; nevertheless, I feel there is a valid argument to be made for the opposite camp. But this is not the way to do it. These assholes are evil criminal scum and need to be treated as such. They deliberately engage in intimidation, murder, and yes, terrorism. I don't give a damn about Osama bin Laden's motivations. I don't give a damn about theirs either. "Pro-life?" Fuck you. Show some respect for the living. Then I'll listen to you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Retro Rob Report post Posted July 24, 2002 And can anyone explain to me the reasoning behind the line of thought, "I am so morally outraged by murder that I will KILL to stop it"? I always wondered that too. The one bad thing about video taping paitents is that when you go to Planned Parenthood it is supposed to be something that is confidential no matter how old you are or why you're there. Laws should be enforced to put an end to this invasion of privacy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest starvenger Report post Posted July 24, 2002 Being Pro Life I don't agree with abortion, but I don't agree with the protesters either. There are better was to get your message across. >And can anyone explain to me the reasoning behind the line of thought, "I am so morally outraged by murder that I will KILL to stop it"? Here's my explanation: there is no logical reason. The people that do these things as so fanatical about it that they become blind to anything else. Unfortunately, they're also the ones that get all the press. Believe me, I wish - like everyone else - that they would just go away. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest X briar rose X Report post Posted July 24, 2002 This is one of the things that really upsets me about people like this. I'm glad people are pro-life, pro-choice, what have you. Have your opinions, but damn, don't try and make me feel the way you do. I wish they'd learn that it ain't gonna happen. And the extremes that these people go to are absurd. While I was in high school, the city (or school, I don't remember) permitted a bunch of pro-life people to have a picket line, or demonstration, or gathering (whatever) along the street. These people had huge banners with dismembered babies on them. And we had to walk past these people to get to school. Unfortunately, I looked at one of the disgusting banners, and I had trouble getting through the rest of the day. These types of people, the "what I'm doing is right, and what you're doing is wrong" ones, are the reason I despise religion as well. You believe what you believe, that's cool. Don't try and push it over on me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Spicy McHaggis Report post Posted July 24, 2002 Unfortunately, I looked at one of the disgusting banners, and I had trouble getting through the rest of the day. While I don't, in any way, condone the violent, fanatical protestors... the reason those banners are disgusting is because the "procedures" done to the babies are disgusting. These pictures aren't creations... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest NoCalMike Report post Posted July 24, 2002 Posted on Jul 24 2002, 06:31 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is one of the things that really upsets me about people like this. I'm glad people are pro-life, pro-choice, what have you. Have your opinions, but damn, don't try and make me feel the way you do. I wish they'd learn that it ain't gonna happen. And the extremes that these people go to are absurd. While I was in high school, the city (or school, I don't remember) permitted a bunch of pro-life people to have a picket line, or demonstration, or gathering (whatever) along the street. These people had huge banners with dismembered babies on them. And we had to walk past these people to get to school. Unfortunately, I looked at one of the disgusting banners, and I had trouble getting through the rest of the day.>>>>>>>>> Yah, these people protested at my school as well. I think our school had a high teen pregnancy rate for Sacramento, so the name of the group was "operation rescue" They stood along the corner of street of our school's intersection. They had the dead fetus pictures and most people just ignored them and drove by. One of our teachers got in trouble for protesting them. He mad a picket sign against them and went out there to haze them a little in good fun. It was funny though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest converge241 Report post Posted July 24, 2002 "I think that the picket lines outside abortion clinics need to be outlawed. This goes way beyond the right of the population to assemble; it's threatening the lives and livelihoods of the people who work at these places. " Trust me I wish it would but it probably never would. Its bad when you have to have your loved one check in with you every day to make sure nothing happened on their way in to work. Sure she could get another job and all but its something she really wants to do, just the general idea of helping women becuase they do many, many other things there, but of course the protesters only know of 1. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Cancer Marney Report post Posted July 24, 2002 While I don't, in any way, condone the violent, fanatical protestors... the reason those banners are disgusting is because the "procedures" done to the babies are disgusting.Buddy, the "procedures" done to cows and chickens are disgusting too. When you've got protestors outside supermarkets with fuckall gigantic posters of headless cow corpses and meat processing plants and you're willing to defend them, you can defend the "pro-life" militant criminal pondscum. Children do NOT need to see that kind of crap while going to school. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Spicy McHaggis Report post Posted July 24, 2002 Cows and chickens aren't humans either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Cancer Marney Report post Posted July 24, 2002 The point is that those pictures would be equally disgusting. What about photographs of open-heart surgery? C-sections? Tracheotomies? Lots of things are disgusting. That does not give you the right to make huge banners out of them and force children to look at them. In fact, extant laws protect children from violent, gory images in movies. Why the fuck do protesters have the right to display them to the world in real life? Because their cause is holy? Whatfuckingever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ripper Report post Posted July 24, 2002 But the Kids going to school are. They shouldn't be subjected to that. People get murdered alot, how about we start having field trips to murder scenes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Spicy McHaggis Report post Posted July 24, 2002 Marney, calm down. I began agreeing with you half-way through. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Cancer Marney Report post Posted July 24, 2002 Sorry. <g> This whole subject just pisses me off. I've never worked in an abortion clinic, nor would I (medical procedures in general gross me out), but the thought of someone having to live with his wife on a death list - and the response of a shrug and some First Amendment bullshit from the government I work for - infuriates me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ScorpionDanceofDeath Report post Posted July 24, 2002 Let me retype, I'm on the wrong log-in (kicks brother). I was always under the impression that abortions were done early in pregnancy. Therefore, how could these pro-life people get pictures of mutilated fully developed babies for their banners if the abortion is done when it's a three week old embryo? To further explain the picture I saw ... it looked like dead baby parts heaped together with a slogan under the bottom, "Look at what you're doing" (It wasn't really that, but it may as well have been.) I believed that these people created signs like the one I saw to further prove there cause, or something. Oh, and my belief is that abortion should be allowed in special cases (rape victims). Otherwise, women should live with their mistakes. There's plenty of available contraceptives out there. X briar rose X Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest converge241 Report post Posted July 24, 2002 "I was always under the impression that abortions were done early in pregnancy. Therefore, how could these pro-life people get pictures of mutilated fully developed babies for their banners if the abortion is done when it's a three week old embryo?" they are done later illegally. trust me people come in in they 30 -40 week range trying to get something done. Supposedly there is a tape of images of a baby trying to get away from the tools used mid -procedure out there. the band Zao wrote about it on "tool to Scream". Just thinking that there is something like that out there freaks the shit out of me.. and thats the type of images they use. According to some of the fanatics apparently the case we had up here where two cult parents "allegedly" purposely starved to death their baby is better than what they demonstrate against Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest converge241 Report post Posted July 24, 2002 well im off work for the day, but its been great to hear that im not alone. one final thought i wanted to leave (hopefully not sounding like im bitching too much) to put into perspective: September 11th. the news breaks into the sports radio show i listened to on the web. My work (which is a large health insurance company that can almost never shut down) cancels work because honestly we were under attack. I drive into Boston to get my wife (mind you traffic is going totally the other way like a scene out of a movie) and work wouldnt let her go. It was nothing to some of the higher-ups that worked there for landmarks/buildings to be bombed in other states BECAUSE THE BUILDING THEY WERE IN HAS BEEN BOMBED BEFORE!!!! some idiot with a chemistry kit puts more fear into them than the chance of a plane used as a bomb in downtown boston. Sure you should be scared (and obviously im being demeaning to said hypothetical activist by terming it idiot with a kit) but think about that the internal workplace is more terrifying than the country being attacked Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Retro Rob Report post Posted July 24, 2002 These types of people, the "what I'm doing is right, and what you're doing is wrong" ones, are the reason I despise religion as well. That is also part of the reason why I steer clear from religion. Can't froget the hypocrisy as well. While I don't, in any way, condone the violent, fanatical protestors... the reason those banners are disgusting is because the "procedures" done to the babies are disgusting. These pictures aren't creations... Does that mean pictures of abortions should be shoved in people's faces? If I wanted to see abortion pictures there are plenty of websites to go to. I don't want people standing in front of my school or place of work forcing me to look at something that I don't feel like looking at. And don't say that I have the option whether or not to look. If 30 people are standing in front of me with huge posters, I don't really have much of a choice now do I? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MrRant Report post Posted July 24, 2002 I would like to say that the pro-life people by my house put up like 1000 little white crosses with a pro life sign . I don't mind people having their beliefs but come on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooseCannon Report post Posted July 24, 2002 Mmm, I dunno, compared to firebombing abortion clinics and barraging the general public with disgusting photographs, putting up 1000 white crosses seems like a fairly reasonable way to express your belief. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MrRant Report post Posted July 24, 2002 Mmm, I dunno, compared to firebombing abortion clinics and barraging the general public with disgusting photographs, putting up 1000 white crosses seems like a fairly reasonable way to express your belief. Not when they are little baby crosses and have an pro-life message that was pretty mean (I don't remember the exact message so that is why I didn't post it). But true fireboming etc. is worse. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GenerationNever Report post Posted July 24, 2002 I haven't really taken a permanent stance of the whole abortion issue. But I also try to steer clear of religion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest NoCalMike Report post Posted July 25, 2002 Well I find it funny that some lobbyist groups want to outlaw stripping/porn..etc....because they call it indecent yet they don't mind gross posters shoved in people's faces without a choice not to look, if it helps their political cause. I can care less about gross posters, I think the people holding them should get a life and go home to watch their OWN kinds, but I will defend their right to do it.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shaved Bear Report post Posted July 25, 2002 pro-life people defending their cause by killing and destroying...smell the irony Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Some Guy Report post Posted July 25, 2002 I am pro-choice. These Pro-Life protesters tend to get way over the top though. Harrassing women, attemoting to block entrances to clinics, killing doctors, etc.. is just crazy. I can understand being pro-life and I don;t have a prblem with it, but I do have a big problem with the behavior I mentioned. Getting an abortion is not generally the easiest decision both mentally an phisically for a women to make and to further compound those issuse, she has to endure the scorn of a bunch of self righteous assholes. BTW what the fuck so these protesters do for a living? I'd guess nothing considering they're out at the clinic every day attackig people. I think they should get a job or take up knitting or something. They obviously have too much free time on their hands. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ripper Report post Posted July 25, 2002 That is the best question EVER...WHEN DO THESE PEOPLE WORK!!! They are always there, they NEVER leave. I just don't understand how they make money. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
