Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted July 24, 2002 Next year it looks like Gary Carter will finally make it in. Now I don't know if Carter is deserving or not, but what did he do between this years vote and next year's vote. Did the writers find 30 more home runs for Carter. His stats aren't any different, why do the writers suddenly look like they'll put him in. Either he should of made it on his 4th or 5th ballott, or he shouldn't make it all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DrTom Report post Posted July 24, 2002 I think a lot of it has to do with who he's up against. For whatever reason, baseball writers seem to loathe putting more than two or three people in the Hall in one year. I guess they think it diminishes the achievement if a lot of people get in at once, but I think it diminishes their credibility to delat someone's induction based on bullshit games. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted July 24, 2002 Sometimes it all depends whose still in the running...I have no clue whom is in the running for 03 but Carter maybe is a good option but I really don't see how he is HOF material. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest undisputedjericho Report post Posted July 24, 2002 Isn't it usually four inductees every year? Why only one this year? * 200th post * Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest meanmaisch Report post Posted July 24, 2002 Carter wasn't anything godly, but he was the best catcher in the national league during the 1980's. That should count for something. Smith was the only candidate that recieved the amount of votes needed to make the Hall. Phillies broadcaster Harry Kalas is getting the Ford Fricke award for broadcasting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MDH257 Report post Posted July 24, 2002 The Baseball Writers do have an unwritten rule about Only voting for two or three guys in a year. Thats why Carlton Fisk had to wait a year. Ryan, Brett, Yount, and Fisk were all up in the same year. But the writers don't want to let that many in in one year. Fisk was pissy with the media during his carrer, so he's the odd man out. It's all political B.S.. I wonder if they pull that crap when Eddie Murray is up for it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted July 24, 2002 The real question is this...for the Class of '07...will one of the Big 3 get snubbed? I mean Gwynn, Ripken and Mac were all model players that had huge impacts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest phoenixrising Report post Posted July 25, 2002 After what Cal Ripken did for baseball after the strike there is no way he is getting snubbed. Same with Big Mac. If anyone might be snubbed it would be Gwynn, who was quietly consistent on a team who's winning seasons were few and far between. The voters would have to be idiots in order to not vote in all three...but then again you never know... BTW, who's up for election in the Class of '03? And I'm unsure on Carter being in the Hall...yes he was a great catcher and a good hitter, but I don't know about Hall of Fame caliber. But as meanmaisch said, Carter was one of the best, if not the best catcher in the NL during his heyday, and that will be taken into consideration. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alkeiper Report post Posted July 25, 2002 Carter really should be in. He was one of the 10 best catchers ever. Usually when a guy has strong sustained support like Carter has had in the voting, he makes it in eventually. Gwynn, McGwire and Ripkin will all make it. Gwynn'sd actually the most likely, because of all the batting titles, and he's an extremely likeable player. Tim Raines is going to get screwed, but he deserves to go to the Hall. He stole over 800 bases, 5th all time. He's a 7 time all star. He was the 2nd best leadoff hitter ever, behind Rickey Henderson. Very similar to Lou Brock actually, and if he had played outside of Montreal, there'd be no doubt about it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Spaceman Spiff Report post Posted July 25, 2002 You know, if McGuire never made the HOF, it wouldn't bother me in the least. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alkeiper Report post Posted July 25, 2002 Why is that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted July 25, 2002 Here's someone that's on the list of veteran canidates next year, Marvin Miller. For those who don't know who this is, he's basically responsible for the inflated salaries, and alot of the problems with Baseball today. My question is Marvin Miller deserving to be in the HOF. He did make a huge impact on MLB, for alot of fans it seems like a negative for the game but you really can't deny what he did. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alkeiper Report post Posted July 25, 2002 Whether for the good or not, Marvin Miller is one of the most influencial figures ever in baseball, mainly for the advent of free agency. What problems is he responsible for exactly? Inflated salaries? How does that hurt baseball exactly? Ticket prices aren't a function of salaries. And if player salaries were cheaper the Yankees could still outspend their cmpetition. So what else is there? I still fail to see what baseball's big problems are. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Spaceman Spiff Report post Posted July 25, 2002 Why is that? I don't know, he just never struck me as an "OMG, this guy is *so* awesome" guy. Sure he hit some titanic homeruns, which may or may not have been chemically enhanced towards the end of his career. I'm just indifferent to him. The 500 HR Club doesn't have the same prestige it once had. He'll probably make it in, though, wheras a guy like Jim Rice won't because he was surly w/ the media. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alkeiper Report post Posted July 25, 2002 I can see where you're coming from. Still, he did more than just hit home runs. He was a tough out, post high on base and slugging percentages, and enhanced baseball's overall perception. Bill James ranked him #3 all time in 1st basemen, and its hard to argue with that ranking. I can't see leaving him out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest meanmaisch Report post Posted July 26, 2002 McGwire will make it in, though there was a period in the late 80's early 90's where he was awful. He was hitting .220 every year and it looked like he was a flash in the pan. It wasn't uintil after his injuries that he finally started to get back to his monster numbers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted July 26, 2002 He'll probably make it in, though, wheras a guy like Jim Rice won't because he was surly w/ the media. What's I find interesting about that comment is McGwire acted like a complete jerk to the media back in 1998. Bonds and Sosa both handled the situation much better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Sandman9000 Report post Posted July 26, 2002 I don't think McGwire acted like a complete jerk. The amount of pressure on him to break Maris' record was forced onto him day after day by the media. Considering the circumstances, I think McGwire handled the media as best that HE could. Could someone else have handled the media attention better? Probably. But McGwire handled it as well as he could. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
