Why Has Booker T BEcome A Jobber To The Stars?

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

Why did the wwf turn booker t into a jobber, all he ever does is get his ass kicked, he started so promsingly when he led the invasion but he's gone down hill ever since, WHY?

[Guest dreamer420]

He'll have his time.  Just not right now.

[Guest Army Eye]

Why did the wwf turn booker t into a jobber, all he ever does is get his ass kicked, he started so promsingly when he led the invasion but he's gone down hill ever since, WHY?

It's because, sometimes, the WWF is gay.  Very gay.

[Guest Anglesault]

Don't worry, Kurt Angle will be joining him soon enough

[Guest areacode212]

Sure, he jobbed to Spike, but I don't think it made Booker look all that bad. He was kicking Spike's ass for the entire match, then Spike got a lucky pin at the end. And even though he might be losing a lot lately, he's still getting quite a bit of TV time, in backstage segments, etc.. (at least he was before the nWo arrived). There are a lot of other wrestlers with much less exposure than the Book.

 

Booker did an interview recently (I think I read it on pwtorch.com) where he mentioned how happy he was to work with Austin. Before that feud, he said he would often get recognized on the street, but after Austin, it's gotten to the point that he can't leave his house.

 

I think they should turn him face. He's one of the few guys who I enjoy more as a babyface than as a heel. Wendy's robber or not, he just comes off as a likeable guy. I even came up with a decent face-turn scenario for him. Maybe I'll post it later.

[Guest Flair5000]

I posted on here a few weeks ago about a Booker face turn, I definetely think it would work given the right reasons and opponents.  Would be good as a slow burn thing, like Benoit's face turn last year. Maybe he could get beat down by the nWo repeatedly and end up helping Austin.

[Guest The Fett]

Booker T. should definitely turn face. I'd like to see them have Booker play the role that DDP played during the NWO angle. Have Booker T. pretend to join the NWO and turn on them. His reason could be that he's angry at them for killing WCW and holding him down for all those years.

[Guest arejay]

Was it me or were the seeds planted for a  very slow face turn on Raw?  Notice how Godfather(the supposed face) was fussing and hollering at the ho's during and after the match, and when Booker won, he just did a simple pose, no smiling, no taunting or anything like that.  Or maybe that was just my imagination...

[Guest Just call me Dan]

He should definetly turn face.  Booker T kept the same gimmick for years in WCW and he always got excellent heat from the crowd.  The crowd soaks up those kicks and the spinarooni and things like that when he is a fan favorite.  If I had the book, I would keep him and DDP low key like they are for another month or so, and have the nWo be too much for Austin and Rock to handle alone.  

Those two can come in and partner up with them, get the "rub" all over again by being the guys with experience who know what the nWo did in WCW.  They could be influential in the fight against the nWo and be re-elevated as monster faces.

[Guest areacode212]

Nah, instead of a slow burn or an "infiltration" angle, I'd like to see an out-of-nowhere face turn for Booker where he basically saves Austin just because he's a righteous guy. Here's the scenario I had in mind:

 

Say we're a few months into the NWO angle. Booker has been taken off TV for a few weeks (to give fans time to stop hating him), the NWO has already taken Rock, Triple H, etc.. out of commission, and all the announcers make a big deal about how only Austin is left to defend the WWF and keep it in business. And now they're giving Austin a beatdown in the final minutes of Raw. One by one, a bunch of babyface midcarders (Edge, Tazz, Tajiri, etc) run down the ramp and storm the ring, but they're overwhelmed, destroyed and thrown out of the ring by the NWO, who then keep turning their attention back to Austin. They even beat down Lawler and Lillian Garcia for good measure (and extra heel heat).

 

The Outsiders hold down Austin, while Hogan picks up the mic and cuts a promo saying shit like, "is this the best the WWF has to offer?", while pointing to all the midcarders lying at ringside. Then he calls out any other babyfaces backstage, saying something like, "are there any other *heroes* who want to mess with the nWo, brother?" Nobody comes out, so he turns to Austin and taunts him for a bit, "This is your hero? This is the rattlesnake? Well, you know brother, the only way to kill a rattlesnake is to take out its head! The WWF dies tonight!" So he reaches into his bag of tricks and pulls out an aluminum baseball bat. Hall & Nash hold Austin up. Hogan drives the handle of the bat into Austin's abdomen to soften him up. The crowd goes "oooooh!!!", and J.R. is in full "Mah Gawd!" mode. Hogan grins, shows off the bat to the crowd, pulls back, swings at Austin's head and...

 

CAN YOU DIG IT, SUCKA!!!!!!

 

The crowd goes nuts and Booker's flaming pyro goes off. The Outsiders drop Austin on the ground, walk towards the front of the ring and make "bring it on!" hand gestures at the Titantron. Hogan, being a pussy, stands in the back, closest to the announce table. At which point Booker, in street clothes (preferably something cool-looking), runs in from the crowd, pounds away at Hogan and tosses him out of the ring! The Outsiders charge him, but Book goes into house afire mode and punches the crap out of both of them, throwing Scott Hall out of the ring. Now he absolutely FUCKING ANNIHILATES Nash, throwing him from turnbuckle to turnbuckle, slamming him around, hitting all his signature moves: Book End, spinarooni (which the crowd now pops for), axe kick, etc. He mounts Nash and bashes him in the face a bunch of times (Nash blades, to make this even cooler).

 

But then Hogan recovers and tries to sneak up on Booker, but Booker does Iblockyourpunchyoudon'tblockmine, and sends Hogan reeling...right into a couple of middle fingers! KICK! STUNNER ON HOGAN! Scott Hall comes back in and tries to brawl with Austin. STUNNER ON HALL!! MAH GAWD! Another Book End on Nash! Booker and Austin, who are back-to-back, start backing away from their opponents, right into each other. They spin around. Staredown. Austin slowly offers his hand. Booker stares down at Austin's hand, then looks at the crowd (who go nuts), then back at Austin. He shakes Austin's hand, the crowd pops huge, end of show.

 

Booker gets the respect of the crowd (and smarks everywhere) for saving Austin and crushing Nash and earning a rarely-given handshake from Austin. On Smackdown, he cuts a promo explaining how, like Fett said, he hates the NWO for destroying WCW and how he wasn't going to let them do that to the WWF and its fans.

 

And yes, I know this blatantly "borrows" from the Honky/Hogan/Savage incident, but hey, if you're going to do a good face turn, you might as well steal from one of the best.

[Guest dreamer420]

Not a bad idea.  I think it would be wicked to see that happen and Booker T would automatically be a huge face.  Only problem is that he was feuding with Austin not that long ago but I guess I can forget about that shit if this sweet angle was started.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

i like that idea areacode

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

That's a damn good angle and booking. I also like this idea I had thought up in the Smackdown spoilers thread about Booker turning on Angle because he turned on the Alliance at Survivor Series and cost him his job for a while.

 

BUT, the problem with my scenerio is that the WWF would have to readily bring up a past failure and we all know how Vince doesn't like that. So, in short, I like this piece of booking a hell of a lot better.

[Guest LowSparkOfHighHeeledBoys]

he never "became" a JTTS, he always WAS a JTTS, except for his inexplicable multi runs as WCW champion...I never understood how he even got NEAR the main event scene in WCW. The only good thing I ever saw out of him was the best of 7 with Benoit, and even that was mostly spotty, and that was all Benoit, IHMO. He is where he should be, and shouldnt get much higher than he is. Give him the IC title and feud him with RVD and keep him away from anything really important.

 

As for him leading the invasion, he helped lead it right down the shitter, by stinking up the arena against Buff...had Vince picked a match that the crowd wasnt going to shit on, the Invasion might have worked.

 

In reply to turning him face...I dont see the turn working unless he gets screwed over somehow and gets to play the sympathetic face card to the crowd...maybe a nWo ass whuppin or something...I cant really come up with anything off the top of my head that would make me care about Booker T all that much.

[Guest EdBootyManTheDiscipleLeslie]

Only good Booker matches were the Benoit series? I disagree frankly. He had good matches with Jericho, Scott Steiner, Jeff Jarrett, etc. They weren't classics by any means but they were still in the ***+ range. The capacity to have consistently decent matches combined with the size, charisma, and agility (for his size) at least makes him upper midcard material if not main event. He needs to lose the phony looking scissor kick spot and the spinaroonie though.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

NOT THE SPINAROONIE!!! that's such a classic, i mean his HAND is telling him to spin around on his head.

[Guest Slapnuts00]

Booker needs a face turn in the worst way. And yes, him challenging the nWo would go over very well, and would give Nash a competent apponent at Wrestlemania.

[Guest Army Eye]

Lose the scissor kick?  Spinaroonie?  I don't know about that.  Those two moves seem to get more of a reaction than any others that he does

[Guest EdBootyManTheDiscipleLeslie]

"The Worm" gets a reaction. That doesn't mean I want to see it.

[Guest Flair5000]

I like Areacodes' idea, I think Booker would get over big time with that. Whether Nash and Hogan would like it is another question though...although Nash did put over Booker clean about 18 months ago (I think?) for the world title.

 

I think Booker also needs a new finisher, the kicks are best as build up moves I think. I couldn't say what he should use though. Any suggestions?

[Guest mastermind]

You know why he's a JTTS? Because he's a 5 time 5 time 5 time 5 time 5 time WCW World Heavyweight Champion and the wwf isn't going to push their competition's creation over the champions they created that's why! DDP is another multi-wcw world champion and look where he is(although he sucks anyways).

[Guest Dangerous A]

I believe Booker is looked at as a caricature and not a lethal threat to anyone. When Shane started talking for him and he started doing that ridiculous staring at his hand shit, he became a cartoon. Booker is just not very good at playing cartoon.(sure he ilicits laughs, but who is he threatening?) Rock and Austin are good at cartoon, but some people suck at it. (HHH, Booker, Test, Edge, etc) The damage done to Booker's character may be irrepairable.

[Guest X-Factor Corperation]

Staying with the topic, I'm just glad he's on TV right now. The Big Show isn't. Besides, soon enough, in a few years, he'll be the WWF champ.

 

Going to other things I'd say area's idea totally rocks if it wasn't for taking The Rock and Triple H off of TV. While I agree that getting rid of almost all of the top people can create a huge angle it's juts been done too often recently. Even though it's one of the best ideas I just fear that it might be too repeated. Espescially since recently The Rock, HHH, and Austin have been out of wrestling for long periods of time.

 

But this Angle might be more effective if they're's a roster split, after it, as they'd have less main eventers to get out of the way.

 

But truely, for now I'd rather see Booker T. in the IC picture, just so he can hold gold for a while.....or a fatal four way match for the europian title between him, DDP, UT, and Kane.

 

And AlwaysPissed off, you never know until it happens.

[Guest The Vanilla Midget]

mastermind is totally right.  ( know im gonna get flamed for this) but booker, like ddp and rvd will *probably* not get pushed hard by vince because *he* didnt create them.  he probably resents their presence, and wont give an opportunity to something created by the "old" wcw.  its pretty sad really, because all 3 guys could be a breath of fresh air to the uppercard.  rvd got lucky at the start because heyman is a booker, but booker and ddp, we hardly new ye.

[Guest areacode212]

Hey, I'm glad you all liked my armchair booking

[Guest saturnmark4life]

The damage done to Booker is definitely permanent as far as the title contender/main event scene goes, but he could be a successful face. This would not help him win though. He'd just be like the Godfather as a comic figure to hype the crowd in openers.

[Guest areacode212]

I don't think he's been THAT damaged by the hand staring. If he simply stopped doing it and acted more like his WCW babyface self, fans could buy it, now that they've been exposed to him long enough (unlike at the beginning of the Invasion angle, when he was just "that Booker T. guy from WCW"). I look at the hand staring as something similar to Austin's listening to his watch. It's something that can be forgotten about easily once he turns face. Unlike, say, Scotty 2 Hotty's worm, which is probably something which will haunt him for the rest of his life.

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

I agree, Area. Booker could probably drop the hand staring thing by Monday and no one would notice. It's really just some flavor for his egotistical heel persona much the aforementioned watch-listening Austin doing or Rocky's outta control sideburns from way back when.

 

There really isn't anything that could hurt Booker by turning face and I think that he probably could get a nice uppercard run if Vince could get past his biased ego. I'm not saying let him squash Jericho and be the next Undisputed Champion, but he could at least be built up to be a lot more than a JTTS former WCW Champion.

[Guest cabbageboy]

Ok, here is a Booker story from the September PPV last year.  He and Shane were fighting the Rock.  My friend Ian was over watching the show and we had the following discussion:

 

Me:  You know, Rocky didn't really get that big of a pop when he came out tonight.

 

Ian:  Well hell, look who he is wrestling!  

 

Me:  Hmmm...when the Rock wrestled Benoit he got a mad pop and Shane was with Benoit then too.

 

Ian:  Yeah but at least Benoit doesn't DETRACT heat...Booker T actively detracts heat!

 

It is pretty much true.  In the WWF Booker has just been a heat killer.  He's become a joke wrestler.  DDP has become a joke as well but mysteriously still has some heat.  I don't see either guy ever get a push.  RVD doesn't fit with those two, he is someone who hasn't been made to look like a joke, hasn't been given a shitty gimmick.  I honestly think that if Vince went to RVD and told him to stare at his hand and breakdance, or to grin like a retard at the camera constantly, RVD would tell him to go to hell and work Japan shows and the indies.

 

I also did a word association with a girl I talk to who is a wrestling fan.  When I got to Booker she had one word for him:  JOBBER.

 

I think that says it all.

[Guest RedDiesel]

Hey, Booker T's one of my favorite guys in the WWF right now, and I'd love to see him in a good program. However, we can't really hope for him to become a WWF Main Eventer a few years from now. He's in his late 30's now.