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[Guest Moleculo]

"And cruiserweights don't have to work spot fests. Lucha Libre, which gets mucho (ignorant?) criticism on this board for being flippy floppy works a stiffer, more mat based style than the WWE does now but knows how to let p for the highspots"

 

Exactly.From what luca I've seen they've actually BUILT to these highspots with matwork and the like.It alos helps that(at least in Tijijuana)the crowds are fucking MOLTEN.

[Guest saturnmark4life]

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[Guest Brian]

Back to the WWE main event style argument though, can we really make an assumption on when the main even style really picked up. I mean, somwhere around 1997-98 and since than the WWE hasn't had a four star non-gimmick match (somewhat due to booking at times). The WWE style, in it's current form is a protective style for both it's injured workers and it's weaker ones, but yet why shouldn't those who want to use or take the moves be able to work with them (brainbusters, piledriver variations, etc.)?

[Guest Ripper]

Exactly...they take away a majority of offensive manuvers resulting in paint by numbers matches.

 

What I meant by my Angle/Beniot-Big Show Albert comparison is that under the WWE style, they matches WOULD be the same. Angle and Beniot were aloud to venture out side the WWF style(moves like top rope germans, and dragon suplexs are not the norm in the punchy kicky style which is the WWF) and it produced good matches. Rvd is deviates from the regular formula and gets good matches. The WWF style is taylored to make all of the talent look the same.

 

If you do go back to 98, you have to notice that you had a big mixture. Brawlers, technical guys, power guys...all different kinds. Now you mostly have different types of brawlers...its all punches all the time from everyone. Then you throw in a spine buster...for everyone. You have cookie cutter wrestlers now, when in 98 you had guys deviate from it.

 

If someone can pull of a 450 splash instead of a elbow drop, why not let them. If a guy can pull of a nice brainbuster instead of a spinebuster that everyone is useing, why not let them. It will not only separate them from everyone else on the roster, it will add to a more enjoyable product. The only thing that separates guys from the others now are promos...and that isn't how it should be.

[Guest Moleculo]

"I mean, somwhere around 1997-98 and since than the WWE hasn't had a four star non-gimmick match (somewhat due to booking at times)."

 

Benoit/Austin on Smackdown and 2-Man Powertrip vs. Canadian Chrisses in the "Quad-Killer" match on RAW are 2 obvious examples on free TV.As for PPV,there's Austin vs. Angle from SS and Rock vs. Jericho at No Mercy.Benoit vs. HHH from No Mercy 2000 was pretty damn good as well.

 

"The WWE style, in it's current form is a protective style for both it's injured workers and it's weaker ones, but yet why shouldn't those who want to use or take the moves be able to work with them (brainbusters, piledriver variations, etc.)?"

 

Who says they can't,as long as they're built up to?

 

"If you do go back to 98, you have to notice that you had a big mixture. Brawlers, technical guys, power guys...all different kinds."

 

Exactly.And '98 provided the birth of the new WWE style.Thus,the fault isn't with the style,but the wrestlers.

 

"If someone can pull of a 450 splash instead of a elbow drop, why not let them. If a guy can pull of a nice brainbuster instead of a spinebuster that everyone is useing, why not let them."

 

See above point.

[Guest Ripper]

Its like the old saying goes...If everywhere you go, you smell someone that stinks, eventually you have to realize that it is probably you.

 

If a majority of the company are having lackluster matches under the constraining styles that they are forced to perform under, maybe its time to adjust the style.

 

Wrestling in the top indie feds has been light years better than the WWF for the last few years...why, because they are aloud some freedom.

 

"The WWE style, in it's current form is a protective style for both it's injured workers and it's weaker ones, but yet why shouldn't those who want to use or take the moves be able to work with them (brainbusters, piledriver variations, etc.)?"

 

"Who says they can't,as long as they're built up to?"

 

The WWF style says they can't...the one that you are defending so hard.

 

"If you do go back to 98, you have to notice that you had a big mixture. Brawlers, technical guys, power guys...all different kinds."

 

"Exactly.And '98 provided the birth of the new WWE style.Thus,the fault isn't with the style,but the wrestlers."

 

Well, you are ignoring the rest of my point. The Style has deteriorated into making everyone punchy wrestlers so that one doesn't outshine the other. THAT is the WWF style.

[Guest Rey Rey Rey]

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[Guest Red Hot Thumbtack In The Eye]

Rey Rey Rey Posted on Jul 30 2002, 02:09 PM

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the clock is ticking troll....make the most of your time

[Guest Brian]

"Exactly.And '98 provided the birth of the new WWE style.Thus,the fault isn't with the style,but the wrestlers."

 

I'l bring up a match I think proves that it's not the wrestlers fault. In May of 2000, Chris Benoit and william Regal had a more infamous match that harkened back to their WCW days with stiffer actions, a wider array of offense,and a focus on mat wrestling and chain spots. Yet, neither guy can work anything near that style of match in the WWE.

 

"Benoit/Austin on Smackdown"

 

***3/4. A damn fine match.

 

"2-Man Powertrip vs. Canadian Chrisses in the "Quad-Killer" match on RAW"

 

Re-watch it. ***1/4

 

"Austin vs. Angle from SS"

 

A very good match, ***1/2 is what I gae it. I'm actually going to watch it again soon.

 

"Rock vs. Jericho at No Mercy"

 

***3/4, the closest I'll get to ****.

 

"Benoit vs. HHH from No Mercy 2000"

 

Overrated at the time, ***1/2.

 

I like all these matches, and they're good, even some are great, but **** has to make something happen. In 2000, I gave Akiyama's match at the Summer Excite ****-****1/4, and compare any of those matches up to that level is tough. I'll bust out that tapes at some point, once I'm done reviewing the last four WWE iron man matches and WCW's effort.

[Guest Moleculo]

"If a majority of the company are having lackluster matches under the constraining styles that they are forced to perform under, maybe its time to adjust the style."

 

Were Benoit and RVD forced last night?Of course not.Am I saying every match should be that style?No,I'm just saying it works well for some wrestlers,so it should be kept around as an attraction.Also,I hear they are adjusting the style to a more realistic,submission-based style.I think the new style they're building towards will be even better than this,and hopefuly it'll have a chance to shine.I've always been a mark for more realism in my wrestling anyway though.

[Guest Brian]

Benoit's a guy who hasn't really been working the generic punch-punch affairs since day one and somehow has managed to get away with it but not enough to get a push. His and Guerrero's pacing is totally different than anyone else's in the fed pretty much. I think that if the WWE didn't have those two it get completely generic with the exception of maybe RVD's signature spots.