Guest Incandenza Report post Posted July 28, 2002 I'm currently watching WCW's Halloween Havoc '98, and the opening match is Jericho/Raven for the TV title. I never really followed WCW too closely, so help me out: Who, exactly, was the heel here? Jericho was acting very Regal-ish in his mannerisms during his entrance, which made me think he was the heel. Then Raven gets on the mic and cuts a whiny heel-like promo about his losing streak and all the forces conspiring against him, to which Jericho responds with a very face-like promo, making fun of Raven's losing streak (kinda ironic now, I know), but Jericho stated he'd rather not be wrestling that night, which didn't sound like anything a face would say. Throughout the match itself--which, though it started out slow, was quite good--the crowd seemed to be behind both Raven AND Jericho, though perhaps favoring Raven a little bit more, as Jericho was acting somewhat heelish, what with the ARROGANT COVER~! and all. This didn't stop said crowd, however, from giving a pretty good pop when Jericho won. Ah, this shades of gray stuff is the best, ain't it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Downhome Report post Posted July 28, 2002 I'm currently watching WCW's Halloween Havoc '98, and the opening match is Jericho/Raven for the TV title. I never really followed WCW too closely, so help me out: Who, exactly, was the heel here? Jericho was acting very Regal-ish in his mannerisms during his entrance, which made me think he was the heel. Then Raven gets on the mic and cuts a whiny heel-like promo about his losing streak and all the forces conspiring against him, to which Jericho responds with a very face-like promo, making fun of Raven's losing streak (kinda ironic now, I know), but Jericho stated he'd rather not be wrestling that night, which didn't sound like anything a face would say. Throughout the match itself--which, though it started out slow, was quite good--the crowd seemed to be behind both Raven AND Jericho, though perhaps favoring Raven a little bit more, as Jericho was acting somewhat heelish, what with the ARROGANT COVER~! and all. This didn't stop said crowd, however, from giving a pretty good pop when Jericho won. Ah, this shades of gray stuff is the best, ain't it? Holy son of a bitch, I am sitting here at this VERY moment, watching not only that very PPV, but that VERY match right now! As for your question, I think this was at the time that Jericho was playing up the "tweener" character, if you know what I mean. In this match, he just happened to be very much over as a face, as the crowd is very much into him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Downhome Report post Posted July 28, 2002 By the way, am I the only guy who wishes that Jericho would go back to that type of character? God, I miss these days of Jericho, he was absolute gold back then. Not that he isn't now, but just look at that hair, his comments, etc... It's just pure classic gold I tell ya! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Downhome Report post Posted July 28, 2002 One more thing, add to my previous post also, how much I wish he still did the Liontamer, the same way he did back then. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Incandenza Report post Posted July 28, 2002 One more thing, add to my previous post also, how much I wish he still did the Liontamer, the same way he did back then. He didn't do a proper Liontamer to Raven. Raven's head never really touched the mat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Downhome Report post Posted July 28, 2002 One more thing, add to my previous post also, how much I wish he still did the Liontamer, the same way he did back then. He didn't do a proper Liontamer to Raven. Raven's head never really touched the mat. I am not talking about in that match, I'm just saying in general. In this match, Raven wasn't in it but for like what, 3-4 seconds? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CoreyLazarus416 Report post Posted July 28, 2002 They were both heels. Raven was on a losing streak as a heel, and this would lead to a face turn in 2nd-quarter 1999. Jericho was just his usual prick self as TV champion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest the 1inch punch Report post Posted July 28, 2002 They were both heels. Raven was on a losing streak as a heel, and this would lead to a face turn in 2nd-quarter 1999. Jericho was just his usual prick self as TV champion. Goddammit i was about to say that, btw he (Jericho)should be doing that character now Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest eiker_ir Report post Posted July 29, 2002 By the way, am I the only guy who wishes that Jericho would go back to that type of character? God, I miss these days of Jericho, he was absolute gold back then. Not that he isn't now, but just look at that hair, his comments, etc... It's just pure classic gold I tell ya! no ur not the only one..........i also miss that Jericho and that liontamer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Incandenza Report post Posted July 29, 2002 They had the chance to do that with Jericho when he held the top strap. Hell, when he first won the belt, he WAS doing that character; remember the speech he gave the night after last year's Vengeance? That was classic Jericho. Of course, it was decided that heel champ Jericho was better off as a pathetic loser/Stephanie's manservant. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Incandenza Report post Posted July 29, 2002 Incandenza rates the matches of Halloween Havoc '98! Hoo-ray! WCW TV Title Match Chris Jericho © d. Raven. Started off slow, but picked up in a hurry and got good: *** #1 Contender Match for WCW Cruiserweight Title Disco Inferno d. Juventud Guerrera. Surprisingly decent, considering the style clash potential of it. Disco held his own: **1/2 WCW Cruiserweight Title Match Billy Kidman © d. Disco Inferno. Disco actually held his own again, but Kidman was looking rather green here, whiffing a dropkick and making no connection on the SSP. Still, it had its charm: **1/2 WCW Tag Title Match; If Rick Steiner's team wins, he gets 15 minutes alone with brother Scott Rick Steiner & Buff Bagwell defeat Scott Steiner & The Giant to become the new tag champs, though Bagwell turned on and abandoned Steiner midway through the match. As far as I can tell, Bagwell is one-half of the tag champs, but the idiot announcers acted otherwise. What happened here? Anyway, here's the rating, which is as high as it is thanks to the shockingly insane crowd heat: *1/2 Grudge Match Rick Steiner d. Scott Steiner. Bleh: * Intervention Match Scott Hall defeats Kevin Nash via count-out. Yeah, this sucked: DUD WCW US Title Match Bret Hart © d. Sting. Oh, how the mighty have fallen. I don't know which is worse: an unmotivated Bret, or seeing the "unconscious" ref conviently scoot out of the fallen Sting's way: 1/2* The Greatest Return Match to the Greatest Match in the History of Our Sport Hollywood Hulk Hogan d. The Warrior. Awful, awful match, with the blown fireball spot being symbolic of this match as a whole. I do this very rarely, as I find DUD usually suffices for terrible matches, but I have no choice but to go negative stars on this one: -***1/2 WCW Heavyweight Title Match Goldberg © d. Diamond Dallas Page. Psychology? In a Goldberg match? Yessiree. I must say I marked when DDP Diamond Cuttered his way out of the Jackhammer: *** I've purposely left out the boring Hogan interview and the brutally bad segment where Bagwell assured Rick that YOU CAN TRUST ME, FRIEND, 'CUZ I GOT YOUR BACK. Also not mentioned is the Nitro Girls. What the hell were they doing on a PPV? As for the show itself, unless you're dying to see Goldberg's best match ever--which isn't great or anything, but still--or quite possibly one of the worst matches ever in the form of Hogan/Warrior part deux (which you don't; believe me, you don't), skip this one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
