The official "What the Hell was that" thread.

[Guest C.H.U.D.]

the murders in American Psycho were most definitely not in his head. If they were, that would negate any social commentary the movie and book were making. Bret Easton Ellis and the director of the movie have said they were not in his head.

Then why did they show him kill the Paul Allen character, then have it revealed at the end that he was never killed and on a business trip? Because it was in his head. Same with dropping the chainsaw death shooting the cop cars. All in his head.

[Guest IDrinkRatsMilk]

Paul Allen was dead. The point was that his lawyer never saw Paul Allen, he saw some other guy who he thought was Paul Allen, but he, like everyone else, was too self absorbed to even notice that. This was why the recurring theme of no one recognizing anyone else was instated. The scene with his lawyer at the end regarding Paul Allen was what tied the theme of the movie together. Also in the scene where he tried to strangle Louis in the bathroom. Louis is so self centered, he thinks Bateman wants to fuck him.

[Guest Angle-plex]

In Vanilla Sky, it's explained that after the night in the club, where he collapses on the street, it's all a dream from there since he was frozen. It was explained in VERY specific detail if you pay attention at the end. It's not confusing at all.

 

But at the end he opens his eyes, making you wonder if it was all a dream, ect..

[Guest Prototype450]

Vanilla Sky is a very confusing movie. I watched that movie twice and just got my own interpetation.

(SPOILER ALERT) SPOLIER ALERT)

 

Right before tom cruise jumps off the roof he tells Penelope Cruz` that he will se her in another life. So when the girl says "David" at the end, He is in his next life. (But yet he's named David hmmmm)

[Guest Dangerous A]

Can someone fill me in on what the fuck was going on with the ending of "The Ninth Gate"?

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

In Vanilla Sky...

 

Spoiler....

 

 

 

He's been cryogenicaly frozen...by jumping off the building he is choosing to live in the real world again.

 

He wakes up in the future.

[Guest El Satanico]

Vanilla Sky is pretty easy to understand on the second viewing.

 

On the first viewing you're too busy going "what the hell just happened" to actually get it.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

The commentary track tells you that the director pretty much left it open to interpretation.

 

But he said he personally beleived the frozen in the future one.

[Guest J*ingus]

Vanilla Sky is very clearly open and shut, there's no real room for interpretation unless you actually reject what the movie tells you.

 

American Psycho on the other hand... I find it hard to discuss this movie without going off on a rant about how much I hated it, so let's just say that I'm in the group who believes it was all in his head. I find "Patrick Bateman being delusional" a lot easier to believe than "the ENTIRE WORLD is so crazy that nobody noticed".

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I always thought that it was a social commentary about how the rich and powerful could get away with anything

[Guest fk teale]

American Psycho on the other hand... I find it hard to discuss this movie without going off on a rant about how much I hated it, so let's just say that I'm in the group who believes it was all in his head.  I find "Patrick Bateman being delusional" a lot easier to believe than "the ENTIRE WORLD is so crazy that nobody noticed".

Both are true. He certainly hallucinates sometimes, but the murders are as real as anything, and nobody notices because none of them are capable of forming substantive human relationships with each other. The characters are described by what they're wearing, not what they look like. They trade the same conversation back and forth, full of hackneyed catchphrases, and it's all about commodities and how to fit in. We know more about the brand names in Bateman's apartment and what they cost than we do about him. Why is it hard to believe that the loss of a Paul Owen/Allen would go largely unmourned among a collection of vacuous, interchangable nullities?

 

IDrinkRatsMilk has it right: Bateman's lawyer doesn't even recognize him, so there's no reason to credit him with correctly identifying Paul. Of course, there is the unlikely possibility that he might have seen the real Paul, and Bateman might have killed the wrong person by mistake, but none of that matters much because none of the people matter much.

 

I'd like to hear that rant of yours, Jingus.

[Guest Ravenbomb]

I think at the end of Vanilla Sky

 

*Spoiler*

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

He's waking up to another Lucid Dream (the name of the company), which is why you hear Cruz's voice

[Guest C.H.U.D.]

Well, I still believe that all the murders were in Bateman's head, but I'm not going to argue about it. I haven't read the book, so I can't fully judge. My cousin read it, and he feels the book hints it was all his imagination.

 

As for Vanilla Sky, how can anyone find it confusing? The last 15 minutes with the "technical support" guy explains in VERY EXPLICIT DETAIL what happened and why things are the way they are. I mean, it was obvious they did that to prevent north american audiences from getting confused after seeing simple minded stuff like The Mummy Returns and MIB 2.

 

And yet, people still find it confusing.

[Guest BorneAgain]

And what about A.I.'s confusing ending? Oh, wait it wasn't confusing, it just fucking sucked!

 

Anyway did any of you guys figure out the new planet of the apes ending?

[Guest MDH257]

I think at the end of Vanilla Sky

 

*Spoiler*

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

He's waking up to another Lucid Dream (the name of the company), which is why you hear Cruz's voice

On the DVD Commentary Cameron Crowe says that the voice at the end of the movie is an actress named Laura Farzier not Curz or Diaz.

[Guest J*ingus]

I'd like to hear that rant of yours, Jingus.

Dammit, don't make me watch that movie again!

 

 

 

 

 

 

...please?

[Guest fk teale]

 

If you need to watch it again to fully elucidate the depths of your hatred and that would cause you all kinds of agonies and internal ruptures and stuff then I guess you can forgo it. If I have the power to force something American Psycho related upon you it'd be the book anyways, which is predictably much better than the movie and OMG SO FUNNY.

 

EDIT: JESUS, I'M SUCH AN ASS.

[Guest RickyB]

Can anyone explain the new Planet of the Apes ending. The first one is that he was on Earth all the time, but the new one... it makes no sence at all.