Guest Shaved Bear Report post Posted July 31, 2002 What makes a band a true standout from the rest of the bands, estalishing themselves past the mediocrity of other bands, and into a true status of an important band. For example, I believe that if someone likes a band from a previous generation, then they are truly transcendant. Bands in this catergory are The Beatles The Who Rolling Stones Aerosmith The Doors Future transcendants: Metallica Guns N Roses Tool Radiohead I just dont see Linkin Park, Limp Bizkit, Brak, being known by future generations... anyone have any other standards on what makes a band transcendant Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest La Parka Es Mi Papa Report post Posted July 31, 2002 Having music that still sounds great, fresh, and exciting 10, 20, hell, 100 years later. Beehtoven is trancesdent. The Beatles are transcendent. Pink Floyd is trancendent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shaved Bear Report post Posted July 31, 2002 ahhh I forgot Floyd, I feel stupid now Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GeneMean Report post Posted July 31, 2002 Having your songs covered by other bands? Not always the case but could be a good indicator. All of the bands you listed have something specific they can be remembered by, whether good or bad. Beatles - Beatlemania The Who - The general admission concert where people got trampled. Changed the way a lot of concerts were promoted. Stones - Been around FOREVER and the altamont (i think that was the name) concert with Hell's Angels as security. Aerosmith - The Run DMC rebirth, that was huge. The Doors - Pick'em with Morrison. I would already consider Metallica a transcendant. Think of how long ago Kill 'em All was released. They've crossed a generation already I think. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shaved Bear Report post Posted July 31, 2002 well Metallica, I know people from age 55 to age 9 that like them, that is just impressive Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest La Parka Es Mi Papa Report post Posted July 31, 2002 Yeah, that's another one I forgot to mention. People of all ages liking your music. On a side note, bands like AC/DC, KISS, and GNR, while all kick ass. all sound slightly dated. So I wouldn't consider them trancendant. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kinetic Report post Posted July 31, 2002 It's a combination of talent, timing, and pure luck. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Incandenza Report post Posted July 31, 2002 Having music that still sounds great, fresh, and exciting 10, 20, hell, 100 years later. True dat. Practically everything the Velvet Underground did 30+ years ago still sounds fresh, and, in some cases, light years ahead of anything modern today. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Amazing Rando Report post Posted July 31, 2002 yes...Pink Floyd's music holds this world together... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest redbaron51 Report post Posted July 31, 2002 there are a lot of bands that fall in this transendance thingy. Metallica Beatles Stones Who Floyd Doors JIMI HENDRIX LED ZEPPELIN BLACK SABBATH hell you can even consider Korn is one of those bands for starting something nu (but as we all know its Faith No More, but lets just keep it reasonable for the average person to know) even Nirvana in a way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CoreyLazarus416 Report post Posted July 31, 2002 Van Halen is still pretty liked...but mostly by people once they hit the age of about 18 and grow up more... And thank you, redbaron, for saying Hendrix and Sabbath. People are still praising Sabbath and Ozzy, and a whole lot of Hendrix worship goes on, and it's been 30 years. Metallica definitely deserves to be listed up there, as they formed in 1980 and released their first album in '83. 19 years later, their preparing to release another album. Personally, I hope that they wait to release the album until next year on the same month/day that Kill 'Em All was released, or at least do a "Very Best of Metallica" CD. I've yet to see any "Best of" Metallica CDs anywhere, only tribute albums and live albums. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shaved Bear Report post Posted July 31, 2002 Best Of Metallica Album: It would probably have most of their newer stuff Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest PlatypusFool Report post Posted July 31, 2002 Agreed with all the bands mentioned so far. I've got to add The Beach Boys, if only for 'Pet Sounds' and the 'Good Vibrations' track. If people aren't listening to these in 30 years, I'll eat my face in protest, just because they are SO GOOD. I also believe that System Of A Down will transend the 'nu-metal' movement and exist for many, many years. They may well become the next Metallica, in the sense that they will constantly evolve and be around forever. Erm... Also, Captain Beefheart will never be matched for sheer innovation, IMO, although I hope he is at some point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Hogan Made Wrestling Report post Posted July 31, 2002 I think a band has to stand the test of time. This can either be the way the Stones, Ozzy Osbourne, Eric Clapton, etc. have done it (by enduring over a long period of time while remaining well-known), or the way bands like the Beatles, Pink Floyd, and Led Zeppelin have done it (have a short, but great run and continue to have your music played and emulated years later). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest godthedog Report post Posted July 31, 2002 eh. i know we'd all like to think that there's some kind of objective transcendental quality in the artists we love, but the truth is that it's all just a matter of subjective taste. musicians get to be labelled 'transcendent' when their music is liked by a lot of people over a long period of time. we'd never get a definitive list of 'transcendent' music even on this board, because everyone's taste differs. i personally think that VERY little, if any, rock music could be labelled transcendent and be mentioned with people like mozart, bach, or even miles davis. and i think it's absolutely NUTS to think that someone like metallica or the doors could be compared to beethoven. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shaved Bear Report post Posted July 31, 2002 well Beethoven was deaf, so one has to wonder, does he know how good his music was? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest PlatypusFool Report post Posted July 31, 2002 "i think it's absolutely NUTS to think that someone like metallica or the doors could be compared to beethoven" I would have to disagree. Although Beethoven may have more artistic merit to his music, for me, it lacks raw emotions that bands like Metallica can produce in people. Since I think that emotion is a very important part of music, more important than any technical skill, bands such as Metallica can be held in the same esteem as the classics. This is why I pimp 'Pet Sounds' so highly, because it is both emotional and technically fantastic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest godthedog Report post Posted July 31, 2002 "i think it's absolutely NUTS to think that someone like metallica or the doors could be compared to beethoven" I would have to disagree. Although Beethoven may have more artistic merit to his music, for me, it lacks raw emotions that bands like Metallica can produce in people. Since I think that emotion is a very important part of music, more important than any technical skill, bands such as Metallica can be held in the same esteem as the classics. This is why I pimp 'Pet Sounds' so highly, because it is both emotional and technically fantastic. not to sound pretentious, but...listening to the 9th symphony does more for me emotionally than any metallica song. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Big McLargeHuge Report post Posted August 1, 2002 But Rock & Roll and Classical Music are completely different entities. Comparing them is moot. It'd be like comparing apples and testicles. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Amazing Rando Report post Posted August 1, 2002 what makes a modern band transcendent... the ability to be looked at as "great music" from the moment it is produced to the end of time... if styles change...if genres die...that music will still be called one of the greatest songs ever... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest pochorenella Report post Posted August 1, 2002 I think Kiss is definitely a transcendent band. They started in the early seventies, and they played to over 2 million people live on 1996-1997, so that means they still had an audience then (and believe me, not all of them were old people who were fans way back then). So if they could reach a newer generation with their music that has to count, right? Everybody from my little nephew to my grandmother know who Kiss are. I say include them in the list. Thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest saturnmark4life Report post Posted August 1, 2002 KISS were ABSOLUTELY FUCKING GREAT in the 70's but since then have just become one self parody after another. Whilst the comeback was cool, it was more of a throwback than a transcendence, and it was only a limited period. It's still great to listen to 70's KISS, but it's not really timeless or anything. I don't think SOAD quite have enough lifespan to attain this status. I love em, but don't see them as lasting as long as pink floyd or anyone like that. Tool and radiohead have the power to attain the same status, i agree with that. And i think metallica has evolved and stood the test of time till now, but their best is behind them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shaved Bear Report post Posted August 1, 2002 SOAD standsout amongst almost everyone I know as being a really great band, from people that like all different genres, so doesnt that mean something? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest saturnmark4life Report post Posted August 1, 2002 yeah, i love SOAD, but don't see them getting the same status as most of the bands listed if we're talking about bands that are truly 'timeless'. They ARE fairly one dimensional, to be honest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BobbyBacklund Report post Posted August 2, 2002 If we're talking longevity as well, like Lazarus said about Metallica, than wouldn't you have to sadly include Aerosmith? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shaved Bear Report post Posted August 2, 2002 yea, damn those Run DMC Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest EricMM Report post Posted August 2, 2002 I think longevity is moot as all hell. I don't think Kiss has anything trancedant about them. I don't think Micheal Jackson does either, or even Aerosmith. The question is, will people twenty years from NOW in their 20's buy Thriller? Everyone who was alive when it was popular has to have it. But will someone next generation listen to it and say holy shit this is KEY like I did for Heartbreaker/Living Lovin' Maid, Immigrant Song, and Stairway to Heaven for Led Zepplin? I doubt it... Current bands now? Radiohead and Tool mostly. SOAD has like 2 albums out so far, and one of them I can't listen to. The other is really good, but not that good. Maybe Bjork could do it... I think I'm naming more artsy bands because you can't just take something good and do it one better and become transcenant. Its the bands that do such different quality work that will get noticed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Satanico Report post Posted August 2, 2002 People who are into that kind of music would probably buy Thriller 20 years from now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest pochorenella Report post Posted August 2, 2002 My nephew is 14 and he's always asking me to lend him my Aerosmith "Greatest Hits" CD (the one with Sweet Emotion and Dream On) and my Kiss "Destroyer" CD, so I think that's proof that young people can get into old music, even if it's Kiss or Aerosmith. And you need only check the RIAA database to find that not all of "Thriller"'s 26 million albums were sold in the mid-eighties, so I think that's also a sign that people nowadays still buy that album. Same in cases like Eagles "Their Greatest Hits 1971-1974". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
