Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted August 1, 2002 The numbers are great. But it's not the Most Outstanding Player. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly Report post Posted August 1, 2002 MVP of what? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shaved Bear Report post Posted August 1, 2002 uhhh his team is in last place Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MaxPower27 Report post Posted August 2, 2002 Oh, hell no! The AL MVP will probably go to Soriano (As much as I hate the Yankees), but I think that A-Rod doesn't deserve it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mad the Swine Report post Posted August 2, 2002 In the 1950s, Ralph Kiner walked into the Pirates' front office and asked for a raise after a particularly bad Pittsburgh campaign. The response to his request holds true here... We could have finished last without you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Some Guy Report post Posted August 2, 2002 No, that's why McGwire didn't win in 98 and Sosa did. A-Rod means nothing to his team at this point, put him on a winner with those numbers and the award is his, but as such he's not. Nomar, Soriano, Giambi, Pedro, Ichiro, and a few others all have a greater claim at the award than A-Rod. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest phoenixrising Report post Posted August 2, 2002 If Texas suddenly went on a run where they got into playoff contention before the season ends maybe. Right now, despite his gaudy numbers, I say no. Personally I think either Giambi or Soriano will end up winning the award. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shaved Bear Report post Posted August 2, 2002 a pitcher, (Pedro) should NEVER win MVP, they play 1 out of 5 games, i say give it to Soriano I'm a Yankee fan yeah, but he's amazing though Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted August 2, 2002 Barring a complete fall apart...I think its Soriano all the way Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest meanmaisch Report post Posted August 2, 2002 Rodriquez puts up very big numbers, but they are all for naught until he is on a contender. Other than for the money, I don't see why he signed with such a sorry team as the Rangers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LexLugerRules Report post Posted August 2, 2002 A-Rod is overrated, hes good but not worth 250 mill... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shaved Bear Report post Posted August 2, 2002 nothing, absolultey nothing, tangible, is worth 250 million EDIT: except for your upper-tier teams Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LexLugerRules Report post Posted August 2, 2002 Yes Marshall Faulk is goddamnit! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted August 2, 2002 There is the difference between NBA and MLB. NBA MVP award the OVERALL player of the year not the player that helped his team out the most (Which is why Jordan won everyyear) MLB is the other way around...you most help your team AND have huge numbers. If it was a PLAYER OF THE YEAR award, it HAS to go to A-Rod, whom in time could be the greatest all round player. But it's a MOST VALUEABLE PLAYER, which means it's likely to go to a Sophomore player in Soranio or Ichiro...unless Giambi goes on a tear. The N.L MVP is murky...Nobody has stood out. Even Sammy and Barry have had sub-par years. Expect a smaller name player to take it. Although, Larry Walker is looking damned good recently. Here's the head stracher...Derek Lowe or Pedro will easily obtain the A.L Cy Young but the NL Cy Young is a large field. Curt Schilling-He had a chance for 30...likely ends with 25 wins. Tom Glavine-Outstanding per usual. Eric Gagne-Fearless and popular. John Smoltz-Almost Perfect at Closer. What about MVPs? I Have no clue about American, but National must go to Austin Kearns. Ishii looked like a lock but he slipped a little. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Some Guy Report post Posted August 2, 2002 a pitcher, (Pedro) should NEVER win MVP, they play 1 out of 5 games, i say give it to Soriano I'm a Yankee fan yeah, but he's amazing though I disagree with you on that. Curt Schilling is far and away the MVP of the D-Backs, if they win the West this year he deserves both the Cy and the MVP. He has done more to help his team win than any other player in the league. When Pedro got snubbed by a NY writer (big shock there) in 99 and they gave the award to I-Rod it was a joke. Pedro was 23-4 with a 2.08 ERA, led the league in ERA, Ks, K/BB ratio, etc... This year he's 14-2 and hasn't given up a run in his last 3 starts, he's getting better. Maybe the Cy should go to D-Lowe and the MVP to Pedro. Soriano is great and is deserving as well, I did mention his name earlier. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LexLugerRules Report post Posted August 2, 2002 The MVP should go to Torii Hunter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shaved Bear Report post Posted August 2, 2002 Maybe the Cy should go to D-Lowe and the MVP to Pedro. if the Cy Young is the top pitcher...then how can he not be the best pitcher on his team? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Some Guy Report post Posted August 2, 2002 Lowe has a better ERA right now. But I was just bragging that we have teh best 2 pitchers in the AL right now. Pedro is just dominate, I think he goes beyond being just a pitcher, Rivera when healthy is like that, Roger used to be like that, Schilling and Johnson are like that. Lowe isn't there yet, but if he finishes teh year with better numbers than anyone else over all he should be the Cy Young. The Cy Young is not necesarrily thought of teh same way as the MVP, it's supposed to go to the best pitcher in their league. The guys I mentioned are the ultimate stoppers, it's nearly impossible to beat those guys after a loss or when the game is on the line. They are the go to guys on their clubs. Therefore they are the most valueable players on their clubs. Soriano, Giambi, Nomar, A-Rod, etc.. are all tremendous players but they can't do it by themselves, the pitchers I mentioned basically can. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shaved Bear Report post Posted August 2, 2002 in game 7 Soriano hit a solo shot in the top of the 9th...he stepped up when he had too don't worry about the bottom of the inning though Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alkeiper Report post Posted August 3, 2002 MVP is A-Rod, no question. If your criteria is that the MVP helps his team, then why not A-Rod? For as many games as they lost this year, how many more would they lose without him. Why should the MVP go to "guy with the best teammates?" As for the other awards, my NL MVP would have to be Bonds again. Cy Youngs are Pedro and Schilling. Rookies are Eric Hinske and right NOW, Kaz Ishii, but give Kearns a starting job the rest of the season and its his. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted August 3, 2002 I agree the whole Rotating Outfield hurt kearns a little. I don't know why people feel that Pitchers don't deserve the MVP...Curt Schilling has stepped up enough for the Defending champions. Look at the N.L Batting right now here are the top 5 for AVG, HR, H. AVG ------ 1. Larry Walker (.362) 2. Barry Bonds (.344) 3. Jim Edmonds (.331) 4. Jeff Kent (.331) HR ----- 1. Sammy Sosa (33) 2. Lance Berkman (31) 3. Barry Bonds (29) 4. Brian Giles (28) 5. Shawn Green(28) RBI ------- 1. Lance Berkman (87) 2. Luis Gonzalez (81) 3. Richie Sexson (77) 4. Larry Walker (77) So looking at those numbers since Pitchers are shunned...Barry hasn't done enough and missed games...Shawn Green could easily take the MVP awards since he has no questionably helped his Dodgers reach a Playoff chase. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alkeiper Report post Posted August 3, 2002 Choken, add OBP to those listings, because that's where Barry's contribution really is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MaxPower27 Report post Posted August 3, 2002 A-Rod can't possibly be seen as MVP, as he has hurt his team with his enourmous contract. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DrTom Report post Posted August 3, 2002 "A-Rod can't possibly be seen as MVP, as he has hurt his team with his enourmous contract." I think they hurt themselves with that one. No one was offering more than ~$190 million until the Rangers jumped into the bidding with their quarter-billion dollar bid. What was he supposed to do, say no? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DrTom Report post Posted August 3, 2002 "MVP is A-Rod, no question. If your criteria is that the MVP helps his team, then why not A-Rod?" Because how does he help his team? A-Rod is certainly the Player Of The Year, but that's not the same thing as being the MVP. The MVP is the player most valuable to his team. How valuable can anyone be for a team as lousy as the Rangers? Wouldn't they still suck without him? How is one degree of suck different from another, and is that difference worth the MVP award? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alkeiper Report post Posted August 3, 2002 Tom, I just don't see why being on a lousy team should count against a person. He's helping his team by being the best hitting shortstop in baseball history. As for the Rangers, they have the guy who led the Indians as their GM. They have Hank Blalock coming up from the minors, with Mark Texiera right after him. They have some good prospects, and a lot of potential. Besides, if the A's and Twins can win with $40 mil, why can't the Rangers win with $50 mil, plus A-Rod's contract? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shaved Bear Report post Posted August 3, 2002 but if his team is still in last, he isnt doing much for the actual team then Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted August 3, 2002 AlKeiper, you also seem to take the oppossing side in any argument involving baseball. There isn't problems with the game, or A-Rod should win the MVP. It's fine and everything, it was just something I felt like mentioning. Winners AL MVP:Soriano NL MVP:Bonds AL Cy Young:Martinez NL Cy Young:Schilling AL ROY:Hinske NL ROY:Ishii AL Improved:Salmon NL Improved:Gagne AL MOY:Gardenhire NL MOY:Cox How do they determine Executive of the Year. Is it the moves in the previous offseason that helped your team, or is it the GM who builds the team. Because Terry Ryan of the Twins only added Mike Jackson, the rest of players where on the team last year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bravesfan Report post Posted August 3, 2002 Winners AL Improved:Salmon NL Improved:Gagne Gagne= Struggling Starter turned Dominant Closer DEREK LOWE= Struggling Closer turned Ace Starter (+No Hitter!) AL Improved goes to Lowe. How do they determine Executive of the Year. Is it the moves in the previous offseason that helped your team, or is it the GM who builds the team. Because Terry Ryan of the Twins only added Mike Jackson, the rest of players where on the team last year. It's the offseason moves, or else you would see a man like Cashman (Yankees) or Scheurholtz(Braves) taking it every year. In terms of offseason moves and developed success, it would be the A's (Lilly, Durham, etc.) Red Sox (Hillenbrand's success, Floyd, etc.) or Twins (Not missing a step with a new coach) in the AL, while in the NL will be the Braves (no bias here, they finally looked for an aggressive hitter in Sheffield), Dodgers (Ishii, Nomo, Daal and Gagne's dominance) or the HEAVILY FAVORED Expos (Omar Manaias is a great GM). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DrTom Report post Posted August 4, 2002 "Besides, if the A's and Twins can win with $40 mil, why can't the Rangers win with $50 mil, plus A-Rod's contract?" Um... maybe because he's really not that valuable to them? You're just arguing against yourself here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
