Old School SF or that New School Shit?

[Guest TheDames7]

I love old school Street Fighter. I'm talking about SF2, CE, Turbo, SSF2, the Alpha series and even EX plus Alpha.

 

However, I can't STAND the MvC games, Capcom vs. SNK, shit like that. What ever happened to the days where you needed skill to beat someone, not three guys doing 178 hit combos on you at the same time that anyone can do? Now, I'm good at the old school stuff, and whenever I play a New Gen SF game, I tend to wreck ass until the guy pulls out some big combo like that out of his ass. I then did the same thing to him after I learned how to do it and I got NO satisfaction out of it. It takes no skill.

 

Ok.....sorry for the rant.

 

What do you prefer and why?

 

Dames

[Guest Shaved Bear]

i like Marvel vs. Capcom, Megaman and War Machine is a beast of epic proprtions...

i like the old SF games though

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

It's old school all the way.

[Guest chirs3]

I like both old and new - SF2Turbo is one of my all time favorite games, but so is MvC.

 

The problem is, with the old ones, there wasn't much strategy involved. You hit a move or you don't. That's why I like the introduction of combos, reversals, double teams, counterattacks, etcetera in all the newer games, and why I like MvC.

[Guest jimmy no nose]

I like the new fighting games enough to play them once in a while, but I don't feel like I've missed anything like I did back in the days of the Street Fighter games. While I like new fighting games, they just don't come close to Street Fighter and the other old school fighting games.

[Guest TheDames7]

I like both old and new - SF2Turbo is one of my all time favorite games, but so is MvC.

 

The problem is, with the old ones, there wasn't much strategy involved. You hit a move or you don't. That's why I like the introduction of combos, reversals, double teams, counterattacks, etcetera in all the newer games, and why I like MvC.

To me, there's less strategy involved when you get guaranteed hits with all those super combos with team members and all that. the air combos especially piss me off.

 

Because people could block so easily in the old school games, more strategy was involved to get your home made combos off and whip some ass.

 

Dames

[Guest Sakura]

Super Street Fighter II Turbo is the greatest Capcom game. I do not understand why no one ever mentions it in these posts.

 

 

 

Alpha series has just as much wackiness as Capcom vs. SNK series. The Marvel games are the ones with the tag team Hyper Combos. And those games take skill. There's more to the engine than Hyper Combos. You're just not exposed to a high level of gameplay. It's not fair to judge based on limited experience.

[Guest chirs3]

I like both old and new - SF2Turbo is one of my all time favorite games, but so is MvC.

 

The problem is, with the old ones, there wasn't much strategy involved. You hit a move or you don't. That's why I like the introduction of combos, reversals, double teams, counterattacks, etcetera in all the newer games, and why I like MvC.

To me, there's less strategy involved when you get guaranteed hits with all those super combos with team members and all that. the air combos especially piss me off.

 

Because people could block so easily in the old school games, more strategy was involved to get your home made combos off and whip some ass.

 

Dames

Well, the thing is you don't get guarenteed hit combos - if the guy you're fighting is good, he can do a reversal, block, counterattack, something. I wouldn't mind the older systems so much except in SF2, for example, pretty much every move knocks your opponent down if it hits. So you can only do one hit at a time.

[Guest TheDames7]

I've seen some really good players, and I've seen some really cheesy players. I've also seen and faced most of the players in those games. Here's two perfect examples of what pisses me off...

 

Cable in MvC2, practically most of his "attacks" are gun shots. All you do is press fierce (or whatever they call it now) and he shoots off 3 rounds really f'n quick. Now, maybe this is just me.....but when I try to jump over them, I go flying all the way up in the air and shit, and I don't even know what the fuck to do from there.

 

In MvC2, since you have to choose 3 guys, I choose Ryu, Ken and Cyclops. Why Cyclops? His moves are similar to the other two, so I can deal with it. However, playing another old school friend of mine, I was using Cyclops and he was using Ryu. He shoots off a Hadoken, I shoot off an optic blast. It cancels his out and hits him....and he complains that's not fair. You know what....he's right. Ever since they included the X-men and all of their junk into the games, I just haven't seen the raw skill that it used to take to defeat someone.

 

Oh, not to mention this one time I was playing some Little Red Riding Hood Chick and she went all EVIL~! on me and had like 80 dudes shooting me with Uzis. Yeah...skill.

 

I've turned into one of those games that says "back in my day..."

 

Dames

[Guest Sakura]

From what you describe, I doubt you've seen many really good players. You know I mean no offense dames, but believe me, there's more to the game than the mall scrubs who look good because they can do Hyper Combos.

 

 

Just because there's big ass fireballs and billion hit combos doesn't mean it doesn't take the strategy, reflexes, memorization, ect. that the old school stuff did. Skill isn't determined by large combos. Anyone can do that. Skill is how fast you can think, setting up your opponent for those big combos, getting out of traps, coming up with creative strategies, having the insane reflexes. Justin Wong is the best at MvsC2 because he's got the reflexes and the knowledge. Me and you can do 80 hit super moves but neither of us could beat him. It's skill. It just looks different than the more simple, less goofy looking old school games. I know what you mean, back in the day you couldn't do a big combo just by hitting a simple motion, and I too prefer the simplier games like SF II. I'd take Super SF II Turbo with no air combos over Marvel any day, but saying the other games take no skill isn't fair.

[Guest The Czech Republic]

Old-school, definitely. Super Street Fighter II is the best of the console SFs. Great graphics and music to go along with the gameplay. Espeically Guile and Sagat's, those are like songs of my childhood. Alpha 3 is too weird with all the Final Fight guys, Cammy as a heel from Greece, and Fat-Ass M. Bison.

 

I'm such a purist, I hardly even use special moves. I have always relied simply on the L and R shoulder-button moves. And I kick ass with my limited moveset as well.

[Guest razazteca]

Capcom vs SNK is my favorite, it has the feel of the old SFII games with KOF characters that can do alot of damage.

 

I would mark out for Killer Instint vs Soul Caliber!!!!

[Guest KoR Fungus]

I divide the new Capcom games into two categories. There's those that feel like sequels to SSF2T (Alpha and Capcom vs SNK), and there's the whole line that sprang up, starting with X-Men vs Street Fighter, that play totally different. I don't like the chaos of the X-Men vs Street Fighter line. The games take skill and are fun to watch, but it's not my style, and I don't enjoy playing them. I do like the Capcom vs SNK series though, because it plays relatively normal, just with more stuff to do. I'd say that Capcom vs SNK 2 is in the running for my favorite Capcom fighter, because it has a good combination of familiar gameplay and interesting new stuff. It's much deeper than the older SF games. It's only problem (and the problem with Capcom vs SNK and SFA3) is balance. Too many characters that were just kind of thrown in there means that some of them are kind of useless, or at the very least really boring.

 

SSF2T is probably my favorite Capcom game also, but unfortunely I haven't had a chance to play it in years. I haven't seen it at any arcade in a very long time, I made the mistake of not buying SF Collection when it was new, and I haven't seen it for sale since. I think the reason it gets ignored is because it wasn't released on a major console when it was new. 3DO exclusive? Bah.

[Guest redbaron51]

i like all of those fighting games.

 

just on the arcade, i hate it when it comes to a console

[Guest TheDames7]

Sakura...touche.

 

I have *seen* some good players though....an old schooler like me wont bother wasting a perfectly good quarter on these guys

 

Dames

[Guest areacode212]

SSF2T is probably my favorite Capcom game also, but unfortunely I haven't had a chance to play it in years. I haven't seen it at any arcade in a very long time, I made the mistake of not buying SF Collection when it was new, and I haven't seen it for sale since.

It's all about the MAME and how you play it....

 

I have *seen* some good players though....an old schooler like me wont bother wasting a perfectly good quarter on these guys

It seems like a waste of a quarter, but playing against people who better than you is how you get better at fighting games.

[Guest Sakura]

CPS 2 board and cabinet > MAME

 

 

btw, there's a port of the game on PC. It's pretty good.

[Guest SpYdEr_Dan]

dames, you know where i stand on this...

 

being a member of the former Team CT of Street Fighter...ive been exposed to alot of people who view things as you do and as well as others who are into the "new school" craze.

 

when i was at ECC4 + 6, sure they played their MvC2 and CvS2...but they did have Alpha 3 and Street Fighter Super Turbo....they know to give the love to the old and new schools.

 

keep in mind, my Ken will always own your 5'5" ass

[Guest TheDames7]

keep in mind, my Ken will always own your 5'5" ass

Ask Polick what happened to his Ken when he faced me. I went 32 - 2. After he finally beat me the second time, he quit. he complains about EVERYTHING.

 

"This isn't Mortal Kombat, stop f'n sweeping"!

 

"Then Fucking Block!"

 

Dames

[Guest TheDames7]

Oh man.....fellas...this is priceless.

 

http://www.bootch.net/kraid/sf2/sf2.htm

 

Dames

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

I like some of the characters in the new games better than in the old games. I never got the chance to play the old games with good players. I played them primarily with my brother and sister. There would be great debates over whether or not using the fireballs was cheating. I never understood that shit. My older sister would complain that I used the fireballs instead of fighting her without them. So I'm supposed to stop using them so that she can beat me? I hated playing against people like that. I could beat the computer pretty handily, but it seemed unfair that the computer could pull out the special moves without having to do the same shit you had to do.

 

I have played the new games against pretty good players, and there is a decent amount of strategy involved in them. Pulling off those big combos doesn't work too well against good players, because they can be blocked or dodged. A good player knows how to avoid those attacks. Usually I can block those attacks because I know when they are coming.

 

Dames as far as your record, I was playing Tekken Tag Tournament against someone, and I was kicking the shit out of him. He was pissing me off because he was acting as if my victories weren't because I could beat his ass in the game. I was beating him b a 10-1 ratio, but he was saying stuff like he wasn't winning because I was dodging his attacks or he couldn't dodge mine. I just kept my mouth shut and let him think it was luck. I was saying stuff like, "wow, I really got lucky right there." Despite the fact that the number of victories was lopsided, he thought I was beating him through luck. He thought just because he knew all of the combos and I didn't, that he was the better player. I didn't need to know alot of combos with every player to beat his ass. I hate when you kick someone's ass and they don't acknowledge your skill.

[Guest NazMistry]

Street Fighter Alpha 3 rules the world.

Nuff said.

[Guest J*ingus]

You know what the worst thing in the world is? You're playing a fighting game in an arcade, and one of the employees who works there comes over, doesn't ask you if you want them to play, gives themself a free game, fights you, beats you, and then takes over playing on the machine. That's happened like three times to me.

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

If it was one of the old WWF games, you could have stolen their quarters and gotten more energy. I used to do that sometimes.

[Guest SpYdEr_Dan]

Ask Polick what happened to his Ken when he faced me.  I went 32 - 2.  After he finally beat me the second time, he quit.  he complains about EVERYTHING.  

 

"This isn't Mortal Kombat, stop f'n sweeping"!

 

"Then Fucking Block!"

 

Dames

 

matt is a butthole about that shit...i used to play him in MvSF and my Wolverine back then was a son bitch. he complained about me forcing him to drop his block and then Bezerker Barrage the hell out of him. too bad im no where as competative as i used to be

[Guest Insane Bump Machine]

Old school SF style all the way, but I count games like SF Alpha 3 and Capcom vs. SNK in that category as well. Cap vs. SNK is a vs. game but still has no 127 hit combos and all that. It's still an "old school" fighting game to me. I also love most of the SNK games, especially Last Blade, Samurai Shodown 2, Mark of the Wolves and KOF'99.

 

Games like Marvel vs. Capcom with big gorillas and robots flying all over the place and doing 40 hit combos are irritating to me.

[Guest What?]

Just looking at an old SF II machine gives me great memories of Godfather Pizza in Portland, Oregon. Standing there, waiting for my pizza while beating the crap out of nineteen year olds who are FOOLISHLY!~ using Vega against Ken. I was eight at the time....ahhhh......

 

 

The new stuff sucks, though

[Guest Renegade]

Capcom vs SNK 2 is one of my fave games right now. And it does take skill.

 

 

The Marvel vs Capcom games however are something different.

[Guest Angle-plex]

I was just playing SFII Turbo, and it's still a very fun game. Except for the damn Ryu.

[Guest Renegade]

I was just playing SFII Turbo, and it's still a very fun game. Except for the damn Ryu.

Whats wrong with Ryu? His uncanny ability to counter EVERY damn jump with a Shoryuken?