Guest SlowChemical6 Report post Posted August 3, 2002 Everybody knows that he has a fused back and that a bad bump could be disasterous. But the thing is, the last time that Shawn was competing, the WWE was still using their "hard" rings. Thanks to Mick Foley, they are now using much springier rings that would be easier on Shawn's back. In fact, his bad knee might actually be in more danger than his bad back due to the springy, unstable surface. Also, Shawn doesn't need to have a high-flying match, or a ***** match. The fans will eat up whatever he does in there. His match with Bret at the 1997 Survivor Series was very, very ground-based, and most people consider that match to be around ****. He was even more limited in his match with Austin at WrestleMania XIV, and most people consider that match to be *** 1/2 - ****. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Trivia247 Report post Posted August 3, 2002 Unless HBK had been taken out by that attack and this is moot, Raw is setting up HBK as its Big Headlining Face even if he isn't wrestling they are building him up to that end. HBK in the ring probably gonna have unfortunately enough wrestling presentation as Hogan is now, Limited. But Like Hogan, The fans aren't gonna care in one match. As Long as HBK is there they will be happy with it. We obviously seen HBK can Snap off a Superkick without much trouble. We won't be seeing the Rockers Shawn Michaels, we aren't gonna see the HBK with Sherri version, nor the Kliq or DX version... But people will be happy of what he does deliever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest saturnmark4life Report post Posted August 3, 2002 i really don't want to see him in the ring again, i don't like him, but it would still be pretty sad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BionicRedneck Report post Posted August 3, 2002 well, his last WWF match was against Steve Austin in the main event of WrestleMania. I think he should leave it at that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cabbageboy Report post Posted August 3, 2002 Yeah, he got his ass kicked and jobbed in the main event of WM.....do you honestly think that Michaels will let that go without at least trying it again? If they think Michaels wrestling again is gonna be this big deal like Hogan, they are sadly mistaken. Michaels doesn't have that kind of connection with fans, in fact even when he was in his prime a lot of people hated him (a group of which I was one). WWE doesn't need Michaels at all, he adds nothing in the way of entertainment or ratings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Respect The 'Taker Report post Posted August 4, 2002 Yeah, he got his ass kicked and jobbed in the main event of WM.....do you honestly think that Michaels will let that go without at least trying it again? If they think Michaels wrestling again is gonna be this big deal like Hogan, they are sadly mistaken. Michaels doesn't have that kind of connection with fans, in fact even when he was in his prime a lot of people hated him (a group of which I was one). WWE doesn't need Michaels at all, he adds nothing in the way of entertainment or ratings. I don't know about not adding ANYTHING to WWE Television, i mean i certainly like having Shawn Michaels around, if anything just because he's an old-school WWF guy and ALWAYS finds a way for me to end up marking out for whatever he does. As for Shawn's Summerslam match, which looks as though it will go ahead with Triple H, i honestly think he's taking a big risk. The sort of injury he has isn't something that just gets better, it lingers on forever...and all its going to take is one small, but misjudged, bump to reinjure him again, possibly this time totally crippling him forever. I believe Shawn should stick to being by the side of Triple H. I'd have this whole angle turn out to be a huge plan by Shawn & Triple H to really get to a certain wrestler on the roster - Perhaps Booker T or someone like that. This has been the Taker Mark Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest saturnmark4life Report post Posted August 4, 2002 It's ok to have a guy like him around to come out ans talk, then superkick someone i agree with that, but that's all he should be doing, and if he's not in a commissioner/official role then why is he around at all? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Trivia247 Report post Posted August 4, 2002 thing with the WM14 it wasn't the fact he lost the match. He worked his ass off with a Freshly Broken Back to try to make a decent match, and you could see his back seizing up like 10 minutes into the match, and he was limping it off throughout the rest. Even went up and did a Elbow drop from the top that nearly killed him. keeping in mind that was 4 years ago now, asides a stray superkick here and there and his match work in TWA 2 years back. What can we really expect from his performance Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shaved Bear Report post Posted August 4, 2002 hes gonna be involved in one of the worst matches ever if he wrestles again Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MrRant Report post Posted August 4, 2002 And how have you determined that? Have you seen him wrestle? Do you know exactly what does/doesn't hurt? If he had been wrestling a few matches here and there and sucked then I will give it to you... but he hasn't. Its an unknown. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted August 4, 2002 Well it's known that HBK hasn't wrestled continously since 98... 4 years ago. That much ring rust alone would make a match suck. Factor in the back injury, which was severe enough to warrant retirement and the lack of fan interest (certainly not enough to warrant a match) and HHH performing at the craptacular level that is his 2002 run, then it takes no fireman to think 'where there is smoke...' Damn that logic... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shaved Bear Report post Posted August 4, 2002 And how have you determined that? Have you seen him wrestle? Do you know exactly what does/doesn't hurt? If he had been wrestling a few matches here and there and sucked then I will give it to you... but he hasn't. Its an unknown. going by the way he sold the pedigree as an indication Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MrRant Report post Posted August 4, 2002 Apparently you guys don't factor in psychology into a match. God I hate workrate marks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted August 4, 2002 I consider myself more of a psychology and story mark (hell, I could write a 10 page Essay on Hart/Piper WM 8 and how it is perhaps one of the greatest stories ever told in Wwf history). But c'mon, HBK's matches were workrate intensive, he bumped like a freak. I haven't really seen anything from him that proves he could really get a match like that over..ESPECIALLY with the Wwf workrate conditioned fan. Rock/Hogan worked cause it was Rock/Hogan. HHH is no Rock and HBK is no Hogan. I can't imagine the psychology they would use in that match anyways. "HHH tries to take out HBK's back"??! What they are positioning it as is 'HBK tries to show he can still hang, but 'the game has passed him by', which would make HBK out to be a sympathetic character...WHICH HE IS NOT! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Human Fly Report post Posted August 4, 2002 Apparently you guys don't factor in psychology into a match. God I hate workrate marks. To me psychology and workrate go hand in hand. One without the other usually isn't very good. There's been matches where Rikishi has spent the whole match trying to set up the Stinkface (a form of psychology I guess). That's not a good match. HBK and HHH can have good psychology in there match, but if all the workrate that is there is HBK limping around hitting weak punches, taking lousy bumps from HHH's slow methodical pace and then eventually hitting a super kick where HHH has to crouch down a foot to take will not be a good match. It could be worse though, Big Show could be the attacker and then Shawn would face him in a match. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted August 4, 2002 Usually psychology is most effective through slower paced matches as it allows the fans to really absorb the content. A fast-paced match doesn't get the same results. However, slower-paced does not necessarily mean boring; if the pace is constant and established early the fans should respond well. With this all said, I don't believe HBK and HHH could make it work. Not with this amount of time left, not with their current characters, not with the established history, not with their current physical conditioning, and not with the conditioning of the fans. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Man in Blak Report post Posted August 4, 2002 Psychology or not...if the man can't take a bump or if he can't really deliver any move other than the super kick crisply due to his physical problems...then the match is going to be putrid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted August 4, 2002 I would love to see a match where all HBK does is a Super Kick... I mean, really, if they could just spread that out over 20 minutes... fantastic. Ross: A nice Superkick there by Shawn, followed up by a nice Superkick and BAH GAWD SWEET CHIN MUSIC BY SHAWN MICHAELS! What a HELLACIOUS MOVE! ... Or they could have the classic 'HHH runs the ropes, HBK runs the ropes, they bump into each other and HHH gets the win'.... Cause the fans would LOVE that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest jester Report post Posted August 4, 2002 On the one hand, I'd kind of like to see HHH vs HBK, because that might keep them away from wrestlers I care about for awhile. On the other hand, judging by that pedigree, Micheals won't be able to do anything beyond the most basic moves. A stomp would probably be his most technical bit of wrestling. Honestly, could one wrestler retire with some semblance of dignity and stay out of the ring? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites