Guest LexLugerRules Report post Posted August 4, 2002 Everyone was shoving "Oh, hes the next Sugar Ray Leonard" down my fucking throat, and finally Vernon Forrest, shut them the fuck up... TWICE! Sure a victory over De La Hoya is impressive. But he is no where NEAR Leonard. Leonard faced the VERY best, and BEAT THEM ALL. Roberto Duran, Marvin Haglar, Tommy Hearns, etc. And Leonard held titles in 5 DIFFERENT WEIGHT CLASSES. And Leonard avenged his lose to Roberto Duran, while Mosley lost once again to Forrest. MOSLEY DOES HAVE TALENT, but he is overrated, and isnt as great as people say he is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alkeiper Report post Posted August 4, 2002 Didn't Leonard get knocked out by Hector Camacho? *snicker* I don't know how good Shane Mosley is, but its certainly possible that Vernon Forrest is that much better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly Report post Posted August 4, 2002 Anyone who saw Sugar Ray Leonard beat Duran into submission has to give him his props. I yelled out loud when I saw him hit the windmill punch fakeout. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LexLugerRules Report post Posted August 4, 2002 Didn't Leonard get knocked out by Hector Camacho? *snicker* Wasnt Leonard 40 FRICKING YEARS OLD when he fought him! It's was a stupid comeback anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly Report post Posted August 4, 2002 Leonard also had a detached retina. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alkeiper Report post Posted August 4, 2002 excuses excuses :b Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LexLugerRules Report post Posted August 4, 2002 But it's true! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly Report post Posted August 5, 2002 Any man that can do what Leonard did to Duran has my respect and excuses if he needs them. Leonard was beaten by Duran the first time after Duran got into his head and made him fight a slugfest. In the rematch, Leonard outclassed Duran somuch that Duran decided that he would rather quit than continue being humiliated. I'm not saying that you have to humiliate your opponent, but you have to be one bad motherfucker to hit the windmill punch in a championship boxing match. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LexLugerRules Report post Posted August 5, 2002 Another good Leonard momment was when he ran circles around Haglar. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alkeiper Report post Posted August 5, 2002 Yeah, and if he punched him once in a while, he might have won the decision fairly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LexLugerRules Report post Posted August 5, 2002 Oh it's, not more of those "Haglar would of KOed him quickly, if Leonard wasnt jumping around people" Face it, Haglar took Leonard lightly and paid for it. Leonard DID out speed and OUT punch Haglar. Did you NOT see the 11th round? While Haglar was out of it. Leonard was hitting Haglar with everything he got. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alkeiper Report post Posted August 6, 2002 Actually my only recollection of the fight is when I was 10 years old. Still, I remember it being close, and really, either guy could've won. Leonard was a great fighter, but too many people, myself included, remember the Norris and Camacho fights. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LexLugerRules Report post Posted August 6, 2002 Norris was a great puncher, I could understand a past his prime leonard losing to him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Redhawk Report post Posted August 11, 2002 I'll give Shane Mosley one thing over Leonard...at least Mosley doesn't retire every time he loses. That's the one thing I never liked about Sugar Ray or Evander Holyfield. Every time they don't like how a fight turned out, they quit for a while before coming back again. At least Shane stayed in the game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LexLugerRules Report post Posted August 11, 2002 When has Holyfield retired? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Redhawk Report post Posted August 11, 2002 When has Holyfield retired? He retired after Michael Moorer beat him...and I don't mean when they found out all that heart condition stuff later, I mean he retired during the post-fight interview. He also retired (or at least mentioned retiring) after losing to Bowe in the 3rd fight and after one of the Ruiz fights. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LexLugerRules Report post Posted August 11, 2002 I honestly dont care, if Leonard or Holyfield retired, un retired and so on. They provided great fights, and were talented boxers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alkeiper Report post Posted August 11, 2002 In the world of boxing, retirements should be taken as seriously as retirement wrestling stipulations. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites