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[Guest Vagabond]

Arrogant indifference? Those are the facts as they stand right now. I made no judgement on the moral rightness or wrongness of those facts, I simply stated them. Please refrain from insulting me in such a manner in the future.

If you don't want to be called a duck don't quack.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

If you don't want to be called a duck don't quack.

And if you're a kettle don't call the pot black.

 

Hey, that rhymed. Cool.

[Guest J*ingus]

If you don't want to be called a duck don't quack.

In the words of Joe Pesci in Goodfellas, THAT'S IT!

 

I am tired of being insulted by a whining, meandering, sniggering, double-talking cretin like yourself. I have argued your points with logic and honest, and up till now, have not engaged in any name-calling at all, you airheaded gas-filled blowhard buffoon. In fact, that last post I made was an attempt to clarify that already blindingly obvious point, but you're so busy jacking off in your own goddamned eye that I guess you just couldn't see clearly until you reached for a towel that was not already encrusted with your love glue, manufactured and shot out during many a happy hand-to-gland combat session in which you imagined yourself strangling an Israeli soldier, and then finally giving them the coup de grace with a mercy money shot from your three-inch howitzer.

 

So, excuuuuuuuuuuuuse ME if I'm not just bowled right the fuck over by your comparing these two things:

 

1. The United States attacking violent Muslim extremists who were responsible for the 9/11 attack, killing thousands of innocent civilians, and who continually claim that other even worse attacks are in store; and

 

2. The Nazi troopers murdering French civilian noncombatants in response to one of their own invading soldiers being killed.

 

ONE OF THESE THINGS IS NOT LIKE THE MOTHERFUCKING OTHER!!!

 

Let me ask you a question: just what fucking country do you live in, anyway? If you're not American, why do you condemn us all as if you have a special personal knowledge of us? The way you spoke about me, you made yourself out to be my history teacher from high school. Well, unless you've sprouted gray hair and big floppy tits and suddenly gained the ability to intelligently speak to other human beings without coming off like a complete fucking cuntrag that was shoved up the ass of a diahrretic Tazmanian devil, excUse me if I doubt the veracity of your claims about knowing all about my own political idealogy, as if you've got the world's greatest fucking Magic 8 Ball.

 

And if you're American, then why the FUCK are you still here? You've stated your hatred for this Great Satan of a country many times. You've stated your support for the terrorists who bomb innocent civilians, including foreign exchange students, hospital patients, and children of all ages. So why don't you bite the bullet (or put your mouth around a more organic cylindrical object, if that's your preference), buy a plane ticket to Jerusalem, find your like-minded companions, strap a bomb to your goddamned heartless chest, and put your money where your fucking mouth is?!

[Guest MrRant]

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

 

Talk about a burn.

 

And how come you ain't posting at my site Jingus?

[Guest Powerplay]

I marked out for Jingus so much that my left arm fell off. Holy Shit. Jingus is winner by a 10-count KO at 3:17 EST. Remind me never to piss you off.

 

*Picks up his left arm and runs towards the shingles in search of a medic*

[Guest EricMM]

It's not that most (some?) americans think they're better than the rest of the world (we're all human) but the american government knows that Americans are more IMPORTANT than non-Americans. Granted, the Constitution says that all people are important, not just Americans, and everyone has rights, but the American government will support the rights of an American over the rights of a Non-American. Same with the interests. Right and wrong are not that black and white as much as I wish it were so. Even if an action is morally questionable, if it's to protect Americans, that's what the U.S. Government has to do. What else are they gonna tell their voters? I really wish that there could be less killing in the world but as liberal as I am, as Pacifistic as I am (is that a word?) I know I would rather non-Americans died than Americans. Shit, I'm an american.

[Guest spiny norman]

Why is it on this board if somebody dares speak against the majority they are immediately abused and told they are spewing mass murder propaganda and that they use stupid comparisons, when others in the majority use equally (sometimes moreso) stupid comparisons and are told "Bravo, that's exactly what I believe" etc. before giving each other a good arselicking. Seriously, don't be so hypocritical, and don't say that you are right and others who dare not to conform to your ways are silly twads who want to kill all Americans, are supporters of Muslim extremists when you're spurting out your own extremist views (which are at times offensive). I know I'll get flamed for this, for daring to speak my mind, but I needed to get it off my chest. In fact, if you want, I'll take this all back, because I'm being individualistic, I'm speaking my mind, silly me! In fact, I'll use comments which are completely on topic and say Mr. T should go take care of all the Middle East problems. And then, if someone ignores me, I'll say the same thing in an equally pointless post!

 

Anyway, people have said the Government should be run by religion. That's definitely true, but most are. Almost every country's leader is of a particular religion, and just because there's is Muslim and not Christian doesn't mean it's wrong.

 

Nobody's in the right at this moment. I don't agree with the Palestinians, I don't agree with Israelis, I don't agree with Americans. Mark my words, if we involve ourselves, thirty years from now this will be looked upon as being as stupid, pointless and futile as Vietnam. Get your head's out of the country's arse and see that, because the blind is leading the blind.

[Guest DrTom]

" Why is it on this board if somebody dares speak against the majority they are immediately abused and told they are spewing mass murder propaganda..."

 

Well, when someone makes remarks about terrorism being justifiable, and then condescends like a Harvard Phi Beta Kappa pledge to everyone who disagrees with him, I think he rather deserves what he gets.

 

"Anyway, people have said the Government should be run by religion. That's definitely true, but most are. Almost every country's leader is of a particular religion, and just because there's is Muslim and not Christian doesn't mean it's wrong."

 

I think you meant "shouldn't" there, and I'm going to respond based on that. It's true that George W. Bush is a Christian. So was Bill Clinton, and so was Bush Sr. There's a difference, though, between having a leader who happens to be religious, and having an inflexible religious zealot for a leader. The Bible and the Catholic Catechism are not the laws of our land.

 

"Mark my words, if we involve ourselves, thirty years from now this will be looked upon as being as stupid, pointless and futile as Vietnam."

 

Protecting American citizens from the cruel whims of terrorists is neither stupid, nor pointless, nor futile.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

Well, Spiny Norman, if you stop fellating yourself for half a moment you might notice I've called people "silly twads" only when they are. I won't speak for anyone else, but when an idiot like Vagabond compares our retaliation for the atrocities of 9/11 to the German SS murdering Russian peasants, damn straight the comparison's stupid. When an idiot like Vagabond claims that suicide bombings are justified because a 70 year-old grandmother once served in the military and her daughter's 4 year-old baby would one day serve in the military, damn straight he's a supporter of Moslem extremists. And when an idiot like Vagabond claims that a disco club is a valid military target because of the age group that frequents it, and that a madman who blows up a bomb strapped to his chest in the middle of that club is engaging in a valid military action, goddamn straight he's advocating mass murder. Either explicitly defend the submoronic statements he made or back the hell off. Generalised whining accusations about a herd mentality won't get you anywhere. Anyone with more than half a brain could see he was talking complete nonsense. But just because he was in a minority, somehow that makes him right and everyone else wrong? Whatfuckingever.

 

Try not to wrench your arm out of its socket patting yourself on the back for your "individualistic" views, slugger. I mean how frickin' self-righteous can you get? You've "[dared] to speak [your] mind" on an Internet message board? How courageous. Y'all have Rosa Parks beat by a country mile.

[Guest EricMM]

I don't think anyone would actually support suicide bombs against populations as valid military action.

 

I know they say they don't have the money to have a real war against the Israeli military, but that doesn't make attacking the populace ok or justifiable (*AHEM*) I don't give a flying fuck how many people in Israel were in the military at some point, a disco is not NOT a military fucking target. Bombing unarmed people is wrong. Be it with a plane, a truck, or a vest. Intentionally harming citizens with scare tactics is just terrorism, and that is what the suicide bombers are doing.

 

I know there was a period when I felt sorry for the Palestinians if their claims of being stifled by the Israelis are true; if they really cannot go to school, go home from school, or hold jobs then they have a very bad situation on their hands. But what they should then do is either a) try to improve relations by NOT FUCKING BOMBING THEM, or B) get some peaceful activism going and make the rest of the world notice. Make the Israelis look like badguys. But no, they bomb, so they're terrorists.

[Guest Pilgrim]

I'm not anti-jewish, i'm not anti american, and for the record i do not beleive that anyone can justify suicide bombing. However like many europeans i do belive that America should be neutral in this dispute.

 

One of the reasons that the war against Bin laden was backed by so many people was because of the horror of september 11th. People around the world saw what had happened, the people killed were innocent and that's why everyone wanted revenge and justice.

 

Now think about a palestinein, a man whose family was killed in an israelly attack on a palestinein settlement. The guy had never taken up arms against anyone, like a lot of palestineins wanted the bloodshed to end but suddenly everything he had worked for was gone. As far as he can see it is that american money bought israels weapons.

 

For every suicide bomber there is a revenge attack on equally innocent palestineins.

 

What must be remembered is that innocents are being killed on both sides. This isn't israel & the US vs the world unless you want it that way and unfortunately looking at the posts made and the opinions given by some it might turn out that way.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

Guess who'd win?

[Guest Pilgrim]

What kind of attitude is that?

 

Is that really what americans want because i hate to burst your bubble here but ALL of us are in a lot of trouble if that happens.

[Guest EricMM]

of course not.

 

Have you ever heard the phrase Violence doesn't cause peace? Many people here have doubted that statement with good proof to the opposite BUT at the same time if the Palestinians hadn't used all those fucking bombs when powell was in the fucking mideast maybe they would look like the victims (sp) here.

 

How is anyone from the US supposed to support the Palestinants PERIOD if they keep repeating little 9/11's? They're just making Israelis look like the good guys...

 

To repeat noone from America wants it to be US and Israel v. the World because that's ludicrous.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

What kind of attitude is that?

Precisely the kind anyone who asks us to abandon an accountable, transparent, self-correcting and liberal democracy should expect: "Fuck you."

 

I said it a bit nicer. You're welcome.

 

ALL of us are in a lot of trouble if that happens.

Nah, we won't kill you for speaking your mind, Pilgrim. It's the other guys who do that. We're the ones who protect your right to be sanctimonious little pricks, even when you're criticising us. We're the ones who make it possible for your socialist economies to exist while you bitch at each other about carrot extract importation controls. We're the ones who actually spend our own money in order to save other people's lives. We're the ones who are willing to stand up and be a shining beacon of freedom in the darkness, no matter how much of a target that makes us. Remember? We're the ones who stand for liberty and justice for all.

 

To repeat noone from America wants it to be US and Israel v. the World because that's ludicrous.

Yeah, I agree, Eric. Way too one-sided. The rest of the world would last a week, maybe two weeks tops.

[Guest Pilgrim]

They are fighting back in the only way they know how. Please bare in mind that i do not think what they are doing is right but when i look at whats happening i can't see an end in sight. Suicide bombing ---> israelly revenge attack ---> because of that another suicide bombing. This isn't going to end just because the USA was bombed.

 

In some sick way they think that the bombings are Allahs will etc. And as long as innocent Palestinians are killed the moderates will support the extremeists.

 

If there is ever to be peace in Israel then both sides must compromise, neither side is more evil than the other.

 

On a separate note the only reason i bring up USA vs the world is that there are so many posts saying we dont care what the world thinks

or we dont need anyone else. You cant just disreguard the rest of the world. No or at least very few world leaders will back a war against Iraq without UN backing, to the rest of us the US would look like a rogue nation

picking fights.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

neither side is more evil than the other

The Israelis would never have to kill another innocent Palestinian if the suicide bombings stopped tomorrow and the terrorists stopped using women and children as human shields. The Israelis could go and have gone weeks without taking action and the suicide bombings have continued. Ergo the Palestinians are evil and the Israelis are not. QED

 

They are fighting back in the only way they know how

Don't care. It's wrong. They continue, they'll suffer. Still, they haven't figured this out over five decades; I don't expect you to figure it out in one day.

 

You cant just disreguard the rest of the world.

Sure we can.

 

No or at least very few world leaders will back a war against Iraq without UN backing, to the rest of us the US would look like a rogue nation

picking fights.

And we should care about the rest of the world why? You're militarily insignificant. More to the point, you're wrong.

[Guest Pilgrim]

Look i am just offering my opinion, if you don't like it then fine. I do realise that it goes against quite a few here but i thought thats what the forum was for. Insulting me for having a different opinion and voicing it seems a touch over the top.

 

My ideas are simular to ones printed in a British newspaper which after explaining both sides of the arguement in Israel, so it cannot be called anti-israel moved onto the question of Iraq.

 

92% of its readers do not back a war. Americas biggest European ally is Britain. All i am saying is that a little restraint would be appreaciated.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

Insulting me for having a different opinion and voicing it seems a touch over the top.

Sorry, simpering apologists for conscienceless murdering terrorist assholes tend to piss me off these days. Can't imagine why.

 

Go ask the NHS for a thicker skin. It's free, isn't it? After all, you don't have to spend anything on defence. Gee, I wonder why... oh that's right! The US would pull your ass out of the fire if you were ever in any serious trouble! Isn't that nice?

 

a little restraint would be appreaciated

We'll keep that in mind when a hijacked aeroplane makes an unscheduled stop in the middle of Buckingham Palace. Until then, fuck off.

[Guest Pilgrim]

After the good old US of A Britain spends the most of any NATO nation on defence.

 

And i was kinda wondering how long it would be until someone mentioned how the US saved the day. Beleive me i am so glad that you defended us from Ze Germans. After all with out you lot turning up late what would of happened? As grateful as i am for lend lease i owe a lot more to the russians than i do to you. 20 million russians died fighting the germans without their commitment and us holding on by the skin of our teeth i really couldn't see Germany and Japan losing. Don't forget Adolf had his eye on you aswell.

 

"We'll keep that in mind when a hijacked aeroplane makes an unscheduled stop in the middle of Buckingham Palace." Thanks but we have our own experience with bombers targeting civilians with the IRA.

"simpering apologists for conscienceless murdering terrorist assholes" A lot more palestians die than israellies, just because the missle was sent in retailiation doesn't mean innocents should be killed. Agreed if the palestinians stopped bombing then the israellies would stop their attacks but to do that you have to give the palestinians a reason, like their own land which the israellies wont take away.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

Your GDP was $1.36 trillion in 2000, with a growth rate of 3%. You spent 2.7% on defence, or ~$37 billion. I think our GDP was approximately 10 trillion, with a growth rate of 5%, and we spent 3.2% on defence. Do the math. Before you even take into account the fact that our technology is embarrassingly far ahead of yours, like two or three decades, and thus every dollar we spend is several times more effective on the battlefield, we outspent you by a factor of ten. You contributed more than anyone else, after us? What the hell did the next guy contribute, a wooden nickel? Two?

Your military is a token sop to your pride and little more. Get over it.

 

As grateful as i am for lend lease i owe a lot more to the russians than i do to you.

And who kept you safe from the Russians after the War ended? Think real hard about this one. Do you recall why NATO was founded in the first place?

 

A lot more palestians die than israellies

55 Somalis died for every one of 18 American soldiers killed in Mogadishu. Countless Iraqis soldiers died for every casualty in Desert Storm. A bigger death toll doesn't mean you're more virtuous, it means you're incompetent fucks.

 

Agreed if the palestinians stopped bombing then the israellies would stop their attacks but to do that you have to give the palestinians a reason

So essentially you're saying that the Palestinians have to be bought off in order to get them to stop committing despicable acts of terrorism. They think blowing up babies in walkers is an acceptable bargaining chip for land. They need a REASON to stop murdering innocent people.

 

I'm confused, are you trying to defend or condemn them?

 

I mean let me get this straight, you're actually advocating appeasement? Again? Jesus wept, didn't you people learn anything, anything at all, from Munich?

[Guest EricMM]

You say we should give the palestinians a "reason" to stop murdering civilians?

 

It's wrong.

 

It's evil.

 

I could go on. and on. and on.

 

I know you know it's wrong!!!

 

The palastinan suicide bombers aren't killing the Israelis who shot up someone, they're killing random innocents. So you say that palastinian was innocent. But if palastinans stopped, israelis would stop, and they've never ever stopped!!!!

[Guest Pilgrim]

I never said to compare our military to yours, that would be stupid, but i think it does show our dedication to defending ourselves, the question is defending ourselves against who? Our time as a world power finished years ago and i believe that the twentyfirst century will be dominated by America.

 

Yes i do think that the palestians should be bought off. They have nothing to lose, israellies build on their land and kill their people.

 

I honestly think that for a peace plan to work there must be an independant palestine. Let them rule themselves, if the two sides could be kept separate then the bloodshed could stop.

 

EricMM and Marney are you against the idea of the formation of a palestinian state?

 

Do you think that the two sides could come to terms with each other, they've come close once or twice but do you see an end in sight?

[Guest Cancer Marney]

the question is defending ourselves against who?

Precisely. Anyone who attacks you, you'll crush with ridiculous ease, because most of the rest of the world is even more backwards and pathetic. If there's actually ever someone you can't crush, we'll save you. As usual. A single Spirit Stealth, maybe a couple of retired Marines... yup, no problem.

 

are you against the idea of the formation of a palestinian state?

Nope. I am against the idea of using it as a bribe.

 

Do you think that the two sides could come to terms with each other, they've come close once or twice but do you see an end in sight?

Depends on what you mean by "the two sides." The current Palestinian "leadership" (pronounced o-'press-orz) and Israel? No. The Palestinian people and Israel? Yes.