If I were Hall, I'd be "acting up" too

[Guest The98thRedBalloon]

OK, so you hire a recovering alcoholic, making him promise to "stay clean" if he wants his job. He promises to. You know that problems with drinking have crippled his career and ruined his life in the past, but you believe he can do it. So you put him on TV. Then you have one man tie his arms to a chair, drink a beer in front of him, and set a beer on his shoulder. Then you have that man drink more beer in front of him. Then you cart him out to a wrestling ring, and offer him beer. Then you have that man drink more beer in front of him. Then you have that man hold an open beer right above his face, beer dripping down around his mouth. Then you offer him some more beer. Then you spill some beer in the ring, and have him lie facedown in it. Then you stand him up and hand him a beer, and tell him to drink. Then you knock the beer out of his hand and give him a Stone Cold Stunner, dripping beer on him all the while. Personally, if I were Scott Hall, I'd be acting a little weird backstage too. After tonight, I don't see how anyone can sympathize with the WWF. They're ASKING Hall to screw up. Please give the man a fucking break. He's trying to get his life on track again. Jesus.

[Guest Tony149]

I'm also wondering why they keep putting Hall in segments involving beer. Not a good way to try and keep him "on the wagon".

[Guest hockeytown9321]

Actually, it's on the wagon, not off.  Once he's a drunk again then he's off the wagon.  

 

I wouldn't say he is getting his life on track, when he gets hammered his first night back.

 

I have nothing against Scott Hall as a person, and I hope he can stay clean, but I hope he does get fired, the sooner, the better.  People say he deserves a second chance.  He blew that one a long time ago.  I think he's like John Daly in golf, he does not care if he kills himself, he's just going to have a good time.  He has done nothing to deserve the job he has, and he isn't even thankful for it. All he does is just throw all his chances down the drain.

[Guest DubWiser]

The Partridge loves peas, but not those that go with her into the pot.

 

...

[Guest Risk]

Whether you think Hall SHOULD be in the WWF is irrelevent.  The fact is, tonight's Smackdown! was childish WWF Hazing or punishment.  It was WRONG.  End of story.

[Guest mastermind]

I agree. What's with all this beer crap with Hall? I guess the NWO signed some kind of waiver to get into the wwf. (or it's more working the smarts who actually think Hall is a drunk)

 

In fine print the contract probably said.....

Hogan pass Rock the torch.

 

Scott Hall Austin will pass you the beer.

 

Kevin Nash you will be passed up matches so you can be Big Lazy your newest character.

 

Sounds like an ironclad contract to me!

 

On a sidenote how come Austin has to make himself look like superman. I mean hell, even Rock jobbed to THREE people on RAW. Why can't he? Of course the guy beat up the whole damn wcw and ecw by himself last year. I don't have a problem with the NWO get their comeuppance once in awhile it gives fans something to cheer for. The wcw never really did this on Nitro.

 

At least Triple H isn't that big an egomaniac YET. Wait till he gets the world title and probably becomes superman 2020 when he jumps from one division to the next taking on all challengers.

[Guest goodhelmet]

Yeah, Fuck the WWF. Alcoholism is no laughing matter and WCW made a mistake by making it a storyline and half the rubes in the crowd probably don't even realize the sickness in the whole ordeal. I personally think this is McMahon's idea of revenge for a grudge that began 6 years ago. Nash and Hogan will get theirs too. Vinnce is someone who will allow his ego to interfere with good business decisions. Why in the hell is Austin fighting with a lifelong midcarder like Hall anyway? guess that's what he gets for refusing a program with Hogan.

[Guest The Masked Yodeler]

I say the WWF's punishment of Hogan Hall and Nash equals my own personal enjoyment.  And that's all that really matters.

[Guest goodhelmet]

"I say the WWF's punishment of Hogan Hall and Nash equals my own personal enjoyment.  And that's all that really matters."

 

Well, Hogan and Nash haven't even been punished yet and mat not but the treatment of Hall is ridiculous. I don't like him. I don't want him on my screen. But if they are gonna stick him out there, give him something worthwhile to do. It would be one thing if the segment was entertaining, but it wasn't.

[Guest Flair5000]

The beer Austin uses in the ring is non-alcoholic, you know. And it's in bad taste, yeah, but this is the WWF.

[Guest RickyB]

I say the WWF's punishment of Hogan Hall and Nash equals my own personal enjoyment.  And that's all that really matters.

What has Scott Hall, Hulk Hogan or Kevin Nash done to you?

 

Hulk Hogan worked his ass off for WCW (94-98 when he stopped working hard), WWF, AWA and in Japan to try and entertain the fans, he's spent almost 30 years Wrestling now and this return to the WWF is a "thank you" for him for what he's done for the business and a chance for him to end his career where he's always WANTED to end his career.  Plus he has a great mind for Wrestling and I bet he'll take up a booking spot after his run as a Wrestler.

 

Kevin Nash might not be a great Wrestler but he's great on the mic and some of his matches have been entertaining.  And, unlike what you think, he WILL do things for the good of the business (he put over Rey Mysterio cleanly, if you remember, in WCW).

 

Scott Hall has promised the WWF to stay clean and what's happening to him now is horrible.  If they want to punish him, fine, but that is just sick and tastless.

[Guest hockeytown9321]

If Hogan wanted to go out the right way, he would put people over like Mick Foley did.  I wouldn't say Hogan worked his ass off.  Horrible looking punches and legdrops are not that hard to do.  I think Hogan does deserve to end his career on a good note.  That does not mean he can't make the company stronger once he's gone.  Hogan does not have a great mind for wrestling, he has a great mind for how to get himself, and his freinds on pushed on TV.  He cares for no one but himself.  Does Austin jobbing to Jim Duggan at Fall Brawl 94 ring any bells?

 

What has Kevin Nash ever done for the good of the business?  You bring up  Nash putting over Rey Misterio Jr.  That's funny.  Why don't you bring up how Hall put Hector Garza over, and how Hogan Hogan put over Billy Kidman. Or how Nash booked himself as the one who got to beat Goldberg.  

 

If McMahon was holding a grudge for 6 years over them leaving, why would he hire them back in the first place?  Oh yeah, I forgot Hall and Nash have such great track records as draws, he couldn't pass them up.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

It's OK for Hall to taunt the Dudleys...but not for the WWF to taunt Hall?

[Guest Tony149]

It's OK for Hall to taunt the Dudleys...but not for the WWF to taunt Hall?

It depends on how Hall said it. It he was joking around, then the Dudley's got a little jumpy, if Hall really meant he couldn't wait to kick out of his finisher, then it's a different story. If I was booker, no way would I tease beer in front of Hall.

[Guest Ripper]

If you don't like the guys for their backstage politics..fine, but to say that Hogan, Hall, and even Nash(WWF days) didn't work their asses off for the fans is ridiculous.

[Guest hockeytown9321]

Yes, they travelled a lot, and spent a lot of time in gym, but thats about it.  When I think of guys working their ass off, I think of Kurt Angle and Steve Austin who both came back from severe injuries to be awesome workers, who do some great stuff in the ring, because they care about the product, and want to be the best, when they could half ass it.  Seriously, go watch some Nash tapes, and count the number of moves he uses.  Punch, kick, boot to the face, powerbomb, and standing with a mean look on your face.  I really don't know when the last good Kevin Nash match took place.  Hall's last good match was about 3 years ago.  When was Hogan's last good match?  It's going to be really funny at WrestleMania when Hogan is blown up 3 minutes into his match.  Rock is not going to slow down his style to accomodate Hulk.  Say what you want about The Rock.  He's another one who busts his ass in every match.  How many great matches has he had?

[Guest Army Eye]

Whether you think Hall SHOULD be in the WWF is irrelevent.  The fact is, tonight's Smackdown! was childish WWF Hazing or punishment.  It was WRONG.  End of story.

Agreed, they basically ruined a show and put a serious hurting on the NWO angle just to put Hall in his place.  I'm tired of backstage politics unfolding on TV.  It's just masturbation by the bookers.  I want the writers's objective to be putting on a good show, not making sure Scott Hall has been humbled.

[Guest dreamer420]

Could it be because the WWF has enough faith in Scott Hall to put him in angles like that?  Hall is clean and sober now and not going to fuck up his only chance in the bigtime again.

[Guest The98thRedBalloon]

I say the WWF's punishment of Hogan Hall and Nash equals my own personal enjoyment.  And that's all that really matters.

 

So what, you get off on seeing those who have fought to overcome a psychological disease and addiction taunted and ridiculed for past weeknesses? Schadenfruede only goes so far, my friend.

[Guest Risk]

Agreed, getting joy out of a recovering alchoholic being taunted is FUCKING sick.

[Guest Kaoz]

U R EVIL!

[Guest Big McLargeHuge]

Eh. It didn't bother me. I doubt the WWF forced him into that segment. If Hall was game, I don't care.

[Guest Army Eye]

It didn't help that they made the NWO look pitiful, in only their second time on TV

[Guest X-Factor Corperation]

Offering beer to an alchoholic = RATINGS

 

If you haven't noticed the WWF is doing shoot storylines.

 

Christian hardly gets TV time... he quits.

 

The WWF's drunk vs the WCW's Drunk.

 

Rock of the WWF vs Hogan of WCW.......

 

And The A.P.A. vs Billy and Chuck

[Guest Risk]

Shoot huh?

 

Does that mean Bradshaw will turn on Ron Simmons, shave his beard, dye his hair blond, get red tights, and join Billy and Chuck for The Ambigiously Gay Trio?  BABYOIL!

[Guest Jokir]

Personally I think that everything the dirt sheets are spreading right now about the NWO and the backstage 'antics' is all one big work to mess with the internet fans minds.

 

So here's the scenario: In the next week or two Hall is taken off the air completely and it is spread through the web that he has been fired. Nash takes the match with Austin at WM and then during the match Hall makes a run in.

 

O' course I'm completely full of it and have no idea what I'm talking about so let the flames begin

[Guest bravesfan]

<<When I think of guys working their ass off, I think of Kurt Angle and Steve Austin who both came back from severe injuries to be awesome workers, who do some great stuff in the ring, because they care about the product, and want to be the best, when they could half ass it. >>

 

Can we blame Hogan, Hall and Nash because they've never had career-threatening injuries? Angle and Austin are wrestling in the golden era of high-risk moves, whereas guys like Hogan, Warrior, Rude, Nash, Piper and such were low on injury rate. (Although Nash did work a program with HBK, it was HBK doing the high-risk...) and yes, I know Austin was in the early era as well. But remember, in WCW circa 1992 Austin/Pillman/Foley/Japanese stars were considered "crockpots" for some of the high-risk stuff they did...even having Bill Watts set up those stupid rules that banned top-rope stuff, over the top rope moves, etc. which is considered as common as a punch in this era.

 

<<Seriously, go watch some Nash tapes, and count the number of moves he uses.  Punch, kick, boot to the face, powerbomb, and standing with a mean look on your face.  I really don't know when the last good Kevin Nash match took place.>>

 

If you think movesets are what makes a great match, tell that to Mick Foley. He admits he was "athletically challenged". He allowed the chemisty of the wrestlers, the flows of the match, bunch of ass-whoopin from his opponent, etc. to create a great match. As for "good" Nash matches, I think Goldberg/Nash from Starrcade 98 is close enough...it may not be "great", but what do you expect from Nash? WCW bookers assigned him the same opponents to try and create the Wolfpac angle, which DID work with mic work and charisma, which held together the horribly-built-up(in terms of storyline) matches. But then they went to hell with "The Fingerpoke" incident.

 

<<Hall's last good match was about 3 years ago.  When was Hogan's last good match?  It's going to be really funny at WrestleMania when Hogan is blown up 3 minutes into his match.  Rock is not going to slow down his style to accomodate Hulk.  Say what you want about The Rock.  He's another one who busts his ass in every match.  How many great matches has he had>>

 

Hall hasn't wrestled a full-time schedule since 3 years ago. Hogan/Goldbergn title match was great in everything besides moveset, and Hogan/Flair at Superbrawl/Uncensored 2000 goes to show they both have enough gas in their tanks to create a GREAT program. If you compare Hogan's early AWA/WWF days to Rock's current status, their good matches were just beginning. And to say Hogan hasn't busted his ass is a complete slap in the face to what he has accomplished.

[Guest hockeytown9321]

"As for "good" Nash matches, I think Goldberg/Nash from Starrcade 98 is close enough...it may not be "great", but what do you expect from Nash? WCW bookers assigned him the same opponents to try and create the Wolfpac angle, which DID work with mic work and charisma, which held together the horribly-built-up(in terms of storyline) matches. But then they went to hell with "The Fingerpoke" incident."

 

That's the point I'm trying to make.  Nash, Hall and Hogan are not good workers, they don't bust their ass in the ring.  

 

I don't care what moves you use, just do them well.  Johnny Valentine used to tear houses down holding a headlock for half an hour.  Everything Foley did, he did well.  Hogan and Nash can't even throw a punch.  

 

I don't balme them for not having serious injury, but maybe if they had taken a few bumbs during their carrers they might have.   I wouldn't say that Austin, Angle, HHH, Rock or Jericho wrestle a high risk style.  Watts did not ban moves off the top rope in reality, he just made them a DQ in the storyline.  If you see less of them, they mean more.

 

Why is it a slap in the face to Hogan to say he hasn't busted his ass in the ring?  He never has, and he never had to.  But he should have taken a little more pride in his in ring work.  Why was Ricky Steamboat de-pused after WrestleMania 3?  Hogan could not keep up with him, and saw him as a threat.

 

"If you compare Hogan's early AWA/WWF days to Rock's current status, their good matches were just beginning."

 

I don't really know what you are trying to say, but I hope you are not trying to say Hogan and Rock are comparable as workers.

[Guest HellSpawn]

Yeah, Fuck the WWF. Alcoholism is no laughing matter and WCW made a mistake by making it a storyline and half the rubes in the crowd probably don't even realize the sickness in the whole ordeal. I personally think this is McMahon's idea of revenge for a grudge that began 6 years ago. Nash and Hogan will get theirs too. Vince is someone who will allow his ego to interfere with good business decisions. Why in the hell is Austin fighting with a lifelong midcarder like Hall anyway? guess that's what he gets for refusing a program with Hogan.

I agree with you, not fully but in some %.

And, why is funny/good to cheer and create a Drunk Austin gimmick ?

I mean, I saw raw and man, this guy really act the part of a total drunk guy, on the ring with the eyes lost in I-dont-know-where.

 

So the WWF forbid an alchoholic to be drunk, thats OK, I agree with that.

But also push the envelope with a Drunk Redneck who drives with a beer.

[Guest X-Factor Corperation]

If Scott Hall is on medicen that has death as a side effect if he drinks beer then...... Stone Cold tryed to kill Hall!

 

Involentary Manslaughter!