Guest Quik Report post Posted August 7, 2002 Well, Triple H threw Shawn into a car window to protect him. HH also joined Raw when Shawn asked nicely, as opposed to the violent way two weeks earlier. Shawn wanted to walk out because he didn't want to be HHH's manager as opposed to the nWo's. Any other examples of shit that just didn't make sense? Can you say "Two Man Power-Trip"? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest razazteca Report post Posted August 7, 2002 the current trend WWE is in now have a good show then do a complete 180 the next week. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vitamin X Report post Posted August 7, 2002 Well the 2-man Power Trip was a way of getting Austin over as a heel since no matter what he did the fans always cheered him on.. So they aligned hi mwith the ultimate heel, HHH.. Say what you want about the guy, but I have never seen a better heel throughout all of wrestling than HHH circa September 1999-May 2001. Align him with anyone, automatically they're hated, face him against anyone, and the crowd loves his opponent. Which is why it's such a shame he's a face..or tweener..or whatever the fuck he is now. But the Power Trip made sense because Austin was playing a paranoid heel character, where he latched on to almost anyone for support, and to show how weak-willed his mind was, he aligned himself with the very man that tried to kill him, knowing that someone who is so strong in mind would be able to protect him and his precious, precious WWF Championship, as he constantly said over and over again even before WM X-7, that the Championship meant everything to him. It was just like him being so insecure about who he was and who he was becoming since being the beer-drinking badass that he cosntantly had to remind everyone (and himself for that matter) what his name was. Ah the Steve Austin heel turn. The last great storyline the WWF has ever written. And for kicks, I'm going to throw in my favorite HHH heel quote... (After he revealed himself as the mastermind of the Stone Cold vehicular assault) HHH: "What's wrong iwth you people? Do I make you sick?" (Yeah!) "Do you people hate me now?" (YEAH!) "GOOD. Because the feeling is mutual." (BOOO!) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Austin3164life Report post Posted August 7, 2002 WWE logic is being thrown out of the window by the Creative team every chance they get. It's almost as if they want ratings to slip, so that once they come up with their grand idea to save wrestling, it'll be an utter and complete shock to the fans. That sounds far fetched, but what else can be the explanation for how bad the product has been (minus the past two weeks)? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shaved Bear Report post Posted August 7, 2002 this week was a very very bad raw Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest crandamaniac Report post Posted August 7, 2002 If you think about it, Raw was actually home to a double logic gap last night. You had the whole HHH attack on HBK, and then you had Molly Holly. Her is a woman who is portrayed as sweet and virginal, and you know who they pair her up with? A former Ho of the Godfather's, who wanted to drag him back into that life when he gave it up. Tell me I'm not the only one who sees the logic gap in that! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest undisputedjericho Report post Posted August 7, 2002 Big logic gaps I can't stand... You can't talk to the other guy in the ring unless it's over a mic. Backstage, we can hear you talk on TV, unless you're being interviewed, in which case you need someone with a microphone in your face. The rules for cage and table matches are constantly changed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted August 7, 2002 I am sorry, but there is NO LOGIC in 'I want the guy who will stab me in the back and try to kill me on my side.' NONE, NADA, ZIP, ZILTCH, SQUAT! HHH got a FACE reaction when he came in on the post-WM 17 raw, before that the crowd popped for his entrance, this so-called 'greatest heel ever' wasn't that. Why do you think they had to have Austin beat the shit outta Ross and the Hardyz to try and get heat (didn't work either...) The Austin heel turn was one of the WORST storylines in WWF history, not only because it didn't make sense (turning him in his hometown and at the biggest show of the year?? Err, yeah!) but also because it was the catalyst for everything bad in the Wwf after that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RicFlairGlory Report post Posted August 7, 2002 Austin as a heel was good.... the InVasion angle... THAT was the mistake. Much like Christians run with DDP, any feud where the gimmick of the wrestlers is to lose, is a BAD idea. All the wCw / Alliance (god hello! better name!!) guys jobbed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted August 7, 2002 Oh I agree that Austin as a heel was a good idea; just wrong place, wrong time, wrong reason. I believe that they 'should have' turned Austin at Judgement Day in a match vs a Heel HHH. Since HHH was damn well near a face at WM (in terms of fan support) a double turn could have easily happened and the summer program of hhh/austin could have still gone on. But Austin turning heel and teaming with hhh = hhh getting injured in a tag match w/ austin = hotshotting the invasion angle = failure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ram Report post Posted August 7, 2002 The 180 effect is working, though. One week the show is considered good. Week two the show is so mindnumbingly stupid that you actually lose braincells. Week three a very good show takes place. Week four, another horrible, horrible display of an hour of anything. Week five, the greatest RAW since ever. The trick is that week one, three, and five are all the same in quality, you have just become more stupid and don't realize it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Zero_Cool Report post Posted August 7, 2002 I think that's what happened leading up to the RAW with the RVD/Eddie ladder match. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted August 7, 2002 It wasn't wrong reason, it was bad timing and execution. Austin, seeing his time running low, real;izes that the only way he can keep his top spot is by siding with Vince. But they turned HHH heel and left him without a strong enough opponent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Lord of The Curry Report post Posted August 7, 2002 Rudo, you left some things out after the failed invasion angle. Invasion Angle= Failed and Rushed RVD ME Push = RVD getting buried shortly after Invasion Angle also = Undisputed Title= Jericho begins getting buried after winning= Ratings fall badly= Vince panics and signs nWo= nWo falls apart after a month= title is put on Hogan too early= title is rushed to Undertaker= title is rushed to The Rock= current situation we have now. Damn that Austin heel turn, damn it to hell..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest converge241 Report post Posted August 7, 2002 Linda and the board giving Vince the company over Flair.. Vince is just generally evil used his own daughter to get back at Austin majorly screwed linda over multiple times brought in NWO poison but they think hes better than flair cause flair accidentally punched a "fan" good lord Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Strike Force! Report post Posted August 7, 2002 This is embarrassing. You guys are looking for logic in professional wrestling. There never has, nor will there ever be logic in pro wrestling. It'll never happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest converge241 Report post Posted August 7, 2002 what? theres copious amounts of it a broad example: Wrestler A wants to be champion. Wrestler A beats wrestlers B,C,D. Wrestler A gets title shot and beats Wrestler E for the title. there may be less and less of it sometimes, but just because theres a drought doesnt mean its all gone Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kahran Ramsus Report post Posted August 8, 2002 The worst was the higher power angle. It didn't make any sense whatsoever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted August 8, 2002 How did Steph ever forgive Vince after that anyways??? The Mcmahons Family = Worst Storyline in Television history. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Electrifyer Report post Posted August 8, 2002 What just pisses me off is that everytime Vince says "I now have 100% control over the WWF/WWE", a few months or weeks pass and suddenly, Shane, Steph or Linda have there power back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted August 8, 2002 I am *this* close to researching all the Mcmahon families heel/face turns... But I might end up hating the Wwf so much after reviewing it that I'll stop watching forever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Prime Time Andrew Doyle Report post Posted August 8, 2002 It wasn't wrong reason, it was bad timing and execution. Austin, seeing his time running low, real;izes that the only way he can keep his top spot is by siding with Vince. But they turned HHH heel and left him without a strong enough opponent. Yeah. I agree with Brian. It would make sense for Austin feel that if he sided with McMahon he would be able to a) Gain the title and b.) Keep it for a long period of time Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vitamin X Report post Posted August 8, 2002 Ironically enough, he was still able to do both things, both without Vince's help, as he actually turned his back on Vince and the WWF when the inVasion angle started, and Vince sort of disappeared for a bit when the glass ceiling temporarily broke and Benoit/Jericho made their way up. Oh, and by the way, HHH was the greatest wwf heel in recent memory. Anyone who disputes that, bring it to the table. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest HollywoodSpikeJenkins Report post Posted August 8, 2002 Oh, and by the way, HHH was the greatest wwf heel in recent memory. Anyone who disputes that, bring it to the table. Can you say.............Undisputed Champion, Chris Jericho??? Yeah, neither can I. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
