Guest nWoScorpion Report post Posted August 7, 2002 Note: If you didn't notice this is NHB. So if no one likes whats being said, they can suck it. Anyway... Brock Lesnar, in my opinion is being pushed as the next Lex Luger. shoved down out throats every god damn week for 3 months even though a.) he isn't over. b.) 95% of the fans hate his guts c.) he can't wrestle better then hogan d.) all of the above. if you selected D, you win. I swear, if Luger, pushed as the american hero can;t get over this way, what makes anyone think a big friggin mutant who hops around like his feet are on fire is any better? While people lke Benoit, RVd, and Jericho are shown the mid-carder spotlight, this chimp with a gimp is being pushed more then angle was. Just my comments, you can like em or hate em.q Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shaved Bear Report post Posted August 7, 2002 the sad thing is he can actually move fast, but the WWE aren't letting him, but he sucks nonetheless Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LexLugerRules Report post Posted August 7, 2002 He does suck, and is boring. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DrTom Report post Posted August 7, 2002 Well, considering A is true because of B, and B is true because of his Goldberg push... what are you telling us that we don't already know? The thing is, Lesnar CAN wrestle. He has a very high upside in the ring. They're just booking him as a stupid 80s monster instead of letting him show what he can do. Book him against people who can lose to him, let him show his stuff, and he'll get over. He does a shooting star press, which I'd LOVE to see Hogan try. Shit, I'd love to see that crippled old coot climb the ropes in the first place, much less do a move off of them. If Lesnar did all of that, though, he'd probably get cheered, and since WWE thinks they can tell the fans who the faces and heels are, that's not going to happen. So he'll continue to be booked as a plodding monster, and continue to not be over as a result. But he doesn't suck. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted August 7, 2002 No. He has the POTENTIAL to not suck. There is a difference when his world title reign starts in less than 3 weeks. I'd say there's a big difference. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest jester Report post Posted August 7, 2002 a.) he isn't over. Yep. b.) 95% of the fans hate his guts I don't know about that. Hate would mean that he provokes a reaction. I'd say the majority of fans just don't care about him. Hating him would mean he was over as a heel. c.) he can't wrestle better then hogan Whoa, let's not go too far. Even without this talk that he can do more than he's capable of (did you see the video of the shooting star he did?), he is still better than Hogan in the ring. Brock can take a few bumps and doesn't gently lower himself when doing a leg drop. d.) all of the above. No, I circle a.). One thing's for sure, I just don't care about him. I can't bring myself to cheer him or boo him. He's just there. Unfortunately, a guy who is "just there" is in all probability going to be wearing a gold belt in a few weeks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Respect The 'Taker Report post Posted August 7, 2002 I agree with most posts here...Brock is BORING, and The Brock vs The Rock is the most tragic Summerslam main event in many, many years...Since Diesel - Mabel in 1995...and we all know how THAT elevated Mabel's career.... I hate Brock Lesnar The Rock vs Kurt Angle The Rock vs Chris Jericho The Rock vs Chris Benoit THOSE are fucking Summerslam main events, and one's people would ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT. This has been the Taker Mark Nowinski Rules Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MaskedWombat Report post Posted August 7, 2002 brock seems too much like goldberg in the sense that he's getting this massive push while being around for a few months, while there are guys that have been there longer, and deserve what he has been given a chance to achieve what some may never get a chance to even look at. sure he's tough, but how many people has thrown the hardys around, hmmm? just when are the higher ups in the back going to realize that the time of the goldberg squash is over, no one cares about the big man beating up the little man. if they were then they would go back to school, and what a bully pick on some one small ::cough dames cough:: damn cold . the last big monster character to win a title was rhyno in ecw, and if ecw was still around, i bet rhyno would still be champ till this day. the problem with putting titles on big men that squash people for their gimmicks starts to slowly put the idea in their head that they might beable to squash everyone. i say, keep the title off that BITCH brock, and lets someone more deserving like booker t, or benoit get a shot at the title. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DrTom Report post Posted August 7, 2002 He has the POTENTIAL to not suck. There is a difference when his world title reign starts in less than 3 weeks. Maybe if they'd let him show some of his potential, instead of booking him like a plodding heel from 15 years ago, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Besides, what if he doesn't win at SS? He's young, has amazing potential, and (this is the killer third strike) has blond hair. So obviously, Rock will beat Brock at SS, only to job the title to HHH the next night on Raw. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted August 7, 2002 Whether he wins or not...he screwed. He wins...no one cares and once the title is off of him he'll be FUCKED. That's what happens when a guy wins the World title out of the gate. How can they book him down to IC level after that? See: BIg Show...utterly useless. If he loses than he's STILL fucked because he hasn't really beaten anyone...certainly not clean. And he's still not over. They blew it already. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LesnarLunatic Report post Posted August 7, 2002 "a.) he isn't over." You ever seen him live? being there live and seeing a guy on TV are different. You can't prove he isn't over somehow without seeing him. "b.) 95% of the fans hate his guts" LIE. Even if they did. That's what Heels are supposed to do. "c.) he can't wrestle better then hogan" Did Hogan ever win any amateur titles? did Hogan ever win an NCAA heavyweight title? NO. Brock did. You're an ignorant motherfucker for thinking that Hogan, who is 50 can outwrestle Brock "d.) all of the above." D) you jumped on the bandwagon after KOTR. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted August 7, 2002 Amateur wrestling has nothing to do with pro wrestling. The purpose of pro wrestling is to get fans excited and entertain them. Hogan has done that in spades. About the over thing... you know... when you watch TV and can hear his reaction in relation to everyone else on the show...you're point kind of evaporates. He isn't over COMPARED TO PRACTIACLLY EVERYONE ELSE. Is that better? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Flyboy Report post Posted August 7, 2002 Or you could say he isn't over enough to hold a World Title. Something around those lines.. Sure, the guy might get booed at live events, but when Brock was on Raw and came out to NOTHING it made the WWE look bad AND Brock look bad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LesnarLunatic Report post Posted August 7, 2002 "Amateur wrestling has nothing to do with pro wrestling. The purpose of pro wrestling is to get fans excited and entertain them. Hogan has done that in spades." but he said Hogan is a better WRESTLER than Lesnar which is delusional. Hogan is a better entertainer than Brock. Just not a better Wrestler "About the over thing... you know... when you watch TV and can hear his reaction in relation to everyone else on the show...you're point kind of evaporates." *yawn* whatever Bps. "He isn't over COMPARED TO PRACTIACLLY EVERYONE ELSE." I would accept "He isn't over compared to my lord and savior, Rob Van Dam" also. The WWF has blown it big time with Lesnar. They first put the heat-hog Paul Heyman next to him. Who has Heyman ever gotten over with his management? Not Sabu, who got over for being crazy. Not even the DA, who were five ass kickers and would have prospered without Paul. The fact that Brock is being made to look so weak against Test, Hogan and others is just proof that the WWF cannot book a monster heel correctly Brock would have been more over if he kept wiping out everybody and if Heyman wasn't his manager. Maybe somebody else can do the job and not distract from Lesnar. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted August 7, 2002 "*yawn* whatever Bps." Lesnar Lunatic displays exactly how to respond to things you know to be true...but would kill your argument Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LesnarLunatic Report post Posted August 7, 2002 "Lesnar Lunatic displays exactly how to respond to things you know to be true...but would kill your argument " hey Bps, have you ever seen Lesnar live? even if you have.. wouldn't you still have a bias against him? then again, it's hard to get a reaction when the WWE idiots book you as having no personality and they don't even let you beat anybody cleanly. It's political subversion of the Lesnar push by some who want to hold him down, so they cut his legs out so he can main event, be blamed for the ratings and get demoted back under the glass ceiling Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted August 7, 2002 I agree completely with the second paragraph. I have said on many occasions that I feel bad for Brock because they are killing his career with this push. However... You can't tell me a guy who draws no heat is over. Period. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LesnarLunatic Report post Posted August 7, 2002 I'd say Brock is sorta-over. Not over over because the fans have no reason to boo him. Due to shoddy WWE work and certain people who wish to destroy him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BionicRedneck Report post Posted August 7, 2002 On the "Brock's not over" thing: I think alot of people blow it out of proportion. He is over, just not over enough to be a World Champ. He gets a reaction. Its not a huge reaction, but a reaction. I mean he isn't Angle/Rock over, but then he is more over than quite a bit of the roster. I think Lesnar displays little bits of charisma which show he has a lot of potential, but it is far too early for him. Its the WWEs fault, not Lesnar's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest SlowChemical6 Report post Posted August 7, 2002 I love Brock, and I am more excited about this SummerSlam main event than I have been in the past five years. The last SummerSlam main event that I was really looking forward to was Bret vs. Taker in '97. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CanadianChick Report post Posted August 7, 2002 The only thing I have t say about Brock is that if he sucks, its not really his fault. He was booked as goldberg jr. and hasn't been able to show his real skills that I have heard that he has. I agree with bps when he said that LEsner is screwed either way. It's a no win situation for him. Its too bad that he will have to overcome this so early in his career... I just hope he will get over it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest nWoScorpion Report post Posted August 7, 2002 To clear up 1 statement, "Hogan is a better wrestler" is being sarcastic cause Brock does 4 or 5 moves a match. Backbreaker, some suplex, that gay ass airplane spin finisher and.....some other stuff i don't care to remember. I heard he can wrestle, but I just never actually seen him do the Shooting Star Press, so i can't judge him as a great wrestler as what i've seen. I believe other people in WWF (past) have won NCAA titles too, so hes not that special. I'd name a few, but my mind is clouded right now on it. On a different note, who has Brock actually beaten cleanly that compares to The Rock? Hardyz, Booker T (not clean), RVD (not clean), Mark Henry, Bubba Ray Dudley. Plus 3 stupid DQ losses doesn;t help him either. Since when was pullnig the referee out of the ring a DQ? Didn't Christian or Storm do it like, this past RAW and the ref allowed the match to go on? (Stupid Referees and booking) And him beating Hogan is no longer a big deal. Hogan is doing the right thing, by putting people over now. Rock, Angle, Jericho (kinda), and has been competing in Tag Team Matches in the mid card. So Hogan losing to Brock is not the same as The Genius beating Hogan in 1990. (Also winning by having hogan pass out doesn't really help much anywya) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Electrifyer Report post Posted August 8, 2002 I don't hate Brock... I hate his push. Also, I don't like his chest muscles either, there so big they look almost like boobs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Still Fly Report post Posted August 8, 2002 He pisses me off for some reason... And I'm not the type to get pissed.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest saturnmark4life Report post Posted August 8, 2002 i really like him, he just isn't over cos they're pushing him as a HOSS, BY GAWD. The key to getting him over is this match. He should go up miss the shooting star press, that's the main thing. But his last ppv match with rvd had heat, even if the finish was CRAP, so i think people will be into a match with the rock. And i think this match has the potential not to suck. But we'll see. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest redbaron51 Report post Posted August 8, 2002 I think that if he beats Rock, things will change thats all i'd say. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest redbaron51 Report post Posted August 8, 2002 Though what finally put the nail in the coffin was the Vengence match against RVD. Brock was suppose to win that match, cleanly, have the IC Title going into Summerslam and then you have Title for Title match, where Brock will win not once but twice, build up as a monster heel. I also expect to see a **** star quality main event match, and if Brock does some great stuff in the ring, and with the Rock able to make a match damn well entertaining, its easily ****. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DrTom Report post Posted August 8, 2002 "Though what finally put the nail in the coffin was the Vengence match against RVD. Brock was suppose to win that match, cleanly, have the IC Title going into Summerslam..." The problem is, they needed to keep RVD strong. WWE booked themselves into a corner again. Rule one for building up a monster heel: book him against people who can lose to him without a problem. The DQ ending was easy to see coming, as it's the only way out of the mess they made for themselves. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest jester Report post Posted August 8, 2002 Do you guys think that maybe Brock would get some heat if he remained on Raw, and became the guy that cleaned house when Bischoff's three minutes expired instead of the Island Boys? I'm trying to think of ways that Brock could be turned into an interesting wrestler, but I'm coming up blank. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest nWoScorpion Report post Posted August 8, 2002 1 Word describes Brocks push MABEL Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
