Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted February 22, 2002 People have said Rock vs Hogan is a passing of the torch.How in the hell is this a passing of the torch. Hogan was the biggest name in wrestling. Hogan of course wouldn't pass the torch, so Stone Cold took it from him.Just like in 1987, Andre the Giant was never the big time main eventer, if he would of beaten someone like Bruno Sanmartino, or Billy Graham back in 1983 than that would be Passing the Torch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted February 22, 2002 It's not passing the torch. It's sacrificing quality wrestling to take every nickle and dime your audience has before they turn you off for good...because you are shitty. I touched on this a little in my first column: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest goodhelmet Report post Posted February 22, 2002 "It's sacrificing quality wrestling to take every nickle and dime your audience has before they turn you off for good...because you are shitty." LMAO Everyone seems to be in agreement about wrestling being a business and money being the only important factor. Well, how does it make sense to invest your money in wrestlers who can't bring the goods killing the quality of your product? If Hogan goes over, then wrestling truly has died because he does not deserve a win under any circumstances. Passing the torch? That was Warrior-Hogan. This is Vince grabbing a quick hand of cash from us before we realize we wished Hogan would have stayed away. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted February 22, 2002 Did you read my column Goodhelmet? I think you'd like it. http://www.gwpwrestling.com/features/bps/first.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest goodhelmet Report post Posted February 22, 2002 hey man, that was a solid article and i agree with most of your points. But in the mid 80's Piper and Steamboat had already been around for a decade (minor bickering). But both time periods did see the emrgence of new stars while Sammartino was fighting meaningless matches in the midcard and Pedro Morales (a former champ) was a glorified JTTS. In the late 90's, guys like the Rock, Stone cold, DX were fresh and exciting and I honestly felt like I was watching new stars being created instead of what we are experiencing now, the refusal of wrestlers to hel pcreate new stars. Guys like UT and Austin (w/ major injuries) have to be shaking in their boots. They're not getting any younger (a fact that they've acknowledged) and the roster is fighting for the spots. Bringing in more old guys to fill up more top slots just seems so counter -productive. And Vince is a genius, right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Flair5000 Report post Posted February 22, 2002 Nice column, bps. Although I feel it a little harsh to fire Jeff Hardy and keep Matt. Firing both would be much better Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Tony149 Report post Posted February 22, 2002 In the late 90's, guys like the Rock, Stone cold, DX were fresh and exciting and I honestly felt like I was watching new stars being created instead of what we are experiencing now, the refusal of wrestlers to hel pcreate new stars. Guys like UT and Austin (w/ major injuries) have to be shaking in their boots. They're not getting any younger (a fact that they've acknowledged) and the roster is fighting for the spots. Bringing in more old guys to fill up more top slots just seems so counter -productive. And Vince is a genius, right? Vince is a genius, but not Vince McMahon. I think the last 2 years proves which Vince (Russo) was pushing all the young talent and getting characters and angles for midcarders in the WWF. The fact that Kurt Angle, Edge & Christian are the only guys to get any sort of character development is kinda sad. The WWF had been riding the wave created in 1998. Now the wave isn't as big, and the water is running out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Mighty Damaramu Report post Posted February 22, 2002 Please....don't suggest anything to do with Vince Russo. The man is not a genius and if he returned. God TV would suck 10x worse. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted February 22, 2002 I'd keep Matt because he looked like he had potential as a midcard heel. And I hate Jeff. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Flair5000 Report post Posted February 22, 2002 Interesting. I actually hate Matt and am ambivalent about Jeff. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Mighty Damaramu Report post Posted February 22, 2002 I hate the both of them! And I hate Lita even more! That stupid bitch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted February 22, 2002 Don't get me wrong, I think that Matt sucks. It's just that, during his short heel turn he LOOKED like he COULD be a good heel. Nothing more. Jeff is ghey. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Flair5000 Report post Posted February 22, 2002 I hope you are using gay in the 'really poor' sense of the word, rather than passing judgement on Jeff's sexuality? Actually, forget that, they are both really gay. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted February 22, 2002 By the way...Since Hogan "passed the torch" at Mania 6...How did he get it back? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Flair5000 Report post Posted February 22, 2002 He didn't. Rock will be passing the torch BACK to him at WM by putting him over. Oh yes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Tony149 Report post Posted February 22, 2002 I was just trying to find a way to use the word "genius" in my post. Although it probably wasn't smart to use it for Russo. Nice to know the guy name makes people get jumpy. Hogan used his "creative control" card to get the torch back. Since he jobbed to it and Hogan wanted his win back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted February 22, 2002 That torch has quite a history Sammartino had it for a long time. Backlund may or may not (read:not) have been screwed out of it Hogan had it for a while Hogan passed it to Warrior Hogan took it back Bret Hart got it by default Vince screwed it out of Bret and gave it to Micheals Micheals gave it to Austin Austin IMO still has it today For some reason HHH thinks he has the torch too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Tony149 Report post Posted February 22, 2002 When too many guys think they have the torch. There asking for backstage problems. Although HHH probably has a better claim, since he's banging Steph. Even though, IMO, Austin is the one with the torch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest razazteca Report post Posted February 22, 2002 just a quick question if Hogan had the torch in the WWF did it burn out in the late 80s, or did UnderTaker just find a new one? Also in WCW did Bill Goldberg get the same torch from Hogan during the big win streak? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Mighty Damaramu Report post Posted February 23, 2002 UT found his own torch. It was similar to Hogan's but not as good. But by gawd he held onto that torch....and still holds it to this day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest razazteca Report post Posted February 23, 2002 do you think Kane got burnt by the torch when he tried to grab it? Being WWF for what a week? sorry about the lame joke I could not resist Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest razazteca Report post Posted February 23, 2002 what I meant was Kane being WWF Champ for a week Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted February 23, 2002 It seems like Austin tried to pass it to Angle during the summer. Austin owes Rock a job big time, so that's where the torch is probably getting passed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted February 23, 2002 Angle only won the title because of 9-11, and thus lost it back 2 weeks later. HHH owes everyone jobs (Benoit, Jericho, Rock, Austin...) I'd like to see him start returning those. He can start at Mania by putting over Jericho. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted February 23, 2002 I'm not too worried about HH, but Austin's job to Rock is really glaring because it happened at two WrestleMania's and a BackLash. As for the Angle thing, I'll still assert that Angle was due to pick up a win in that feud sooner or later, it just seemed like the time was right but the crowd wasn't ready for Angle as a face champ, especially that early in his run. It's not the first time they made decisions quickly and on the fly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted February 23, 2002 I figure that if the NWO hadn't been hired we'd have seen Austin job to Rock at this years Mania. They'll meet up sooner or later...and we know who'll win. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted February 23, 2002 They've already blown it though. They should have just done it at SummerSlam. After a while, it's not going to be as important. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted February 23, 2002 I thikn that more important than beating Austin... If Rock loses to Hogan this year (and I doubt that Hogan was brought in to job his first big match) he will have lost 4 straight Mania Main Events. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Tony149 Report post Posted February 23, 2002 The Rock is like the Buffalo Bills. They make it to the big dance, but "choke". The only difference is the Bills play in a sport that isn't booked. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Risk Report post Posted February 23, 2002 One of the big reason the WWF sucks is that unless the fans like you, you rarely get a clean win. Teiple H should job cleanly to Jericho at Mania. No Stephanie, no anything, he should tap out to the walls of jericho and lose. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
