Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Posted February 23, 2002 Report Posted February 23, 2002 That's cold Tony...having spent 22 years here in Buffalo...that's cold.
Guest Tony149 Posted February 23, 2002 Report Posted February 23, 2002 I was going to use the Vikings as the example, but I thought the Bills have a bigger name.
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Posted February 23, 2002 Report Posted February 23, 2002 VINCE SCREWED BUFFALO!
Guest Vern Gagne Posted February 23, 2002 Report Posted February 23, 2002 VINCE SCREWED BUFFALO! Buffalo screwed Buffalo!
Guest Brian Posted February 23, 2002 Report Posted February 23, 2002 Nobody jobs to Jericho cleanly. I doubt Triple H will.
Guest Best Buy Team Member Since 2002 Posted February 23, 2002 Report Posted February 23, 2002 Why should HHH do a clean job to Chris Jericho? Chris Jericho is treading water as a heel, not to mention as Undisputed World Champion. You all contradict yourselves so much. First you say HHH isn't over as a face, a bald faced lie if I ever saw one, but THEN you say that for Jericho to get that ME credibility he so desperately needs, he must beat HHH clean at WM. But why? Many of you claim HHH is like the 5th most over face in the fed behind Austin, Rock, RVD, and Edge (ha!). So what's the point of putting Jericho over HHH if he's supposedly that low on the totem pole? Jericho has been put over Austin, Rock FIVE TIMES, RVD I believe, and also Edge as well. Despite this, Jericho's crowd reactions are tepid at best. HHH is more over than Jericho despite horrible booking and bad matches since he returned. In fact, 30-40% of the roster is more over than Jericho. Even Billy and Chuck can draw consistent heel heat, though no one here will admit to that. Face it, Jericho right now is in the same posotion as HHH was in '99 except HHH was more over. Sad, but true.
Guest The Mighty Damaramu Posted February 23, 2002 Report Posted February 23, 2002 That's because Jericho did not beat those guys cleanly. And JR continues to bury him in commentary everytime he breathes. To win the WM Main Event and beat the one main eventer he has not beaten will cement him in main event status. Why? Because let's see.....he walked away the winner from the biggest show of the year, he beat EVERYONE, and he beat the one man that nobody thought he could beat. That is why Jericho needs to win and why the win would help him.
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Posted February 23, 2002 Report Posted February 23, 2002 HHH isn't over as a face. That's the truth.
Guest Brian Posted February 24, 2002 Report Posted February 24, 2002 Oh c'mon, you guys know HHH is over.
Guest Xstasy Posted February 24, 2002 Report Posted February 24, 2002 So now there is a single wrestling "torch" that gets passed around? I'm afraid I have to disagree. I am entertained by The Rock, so I refuse to jump on the smart "I hate Rocky because he's popular with marks" bandwagon. Sorry, I just can't do it. And since I'm a child of the 80s, Hogan will always have a special place on my list as the best ever. The Rock is the most well known wrestling personality of this time and age overall. Hogan is the most well known ever. A match between the two of them makes sense. And it's a big draw. And I will STILL mark out like crazy because its history, its epic, and the concept is Xstatic. Now lets just hope they deliver, which I think they will.
Guest Brian Posted February 24, 2002 Report Posted February 24, 2002 So you're saying Triple H comes out to silense, no crowd reaction at all.
Guest Tony149 Posted February 24, 2002 Report Posted February 24, 2002 I think what they're saying is HHH is over, but not as over as the WWF wants him to be.
Guest TheMikeSC Posted February 24, 2002 Report Posted February 24, 2002 <<Vince is a genius, but not Vince McMahon. I think the last 2 years proves which Vince (Russo) was pushing all the young talent and getting characters and angles for midcarders in the WWF.>> Amazing how much his "genius" got clouded when he didn't have the WWF behind him, huh? Why did Russo push the young guys? Because he had no other option. It's not like Nash was de-pushed under Russo in WCW. <<The fact that Kurt Angle, Edge & Christian are the only guys to get any sort of character development is kinda sad. The WWF had been riding the wave created in 1998. Now the wave isn't as big, and the water is running out.>> The WWF has done a terrible job---but keep in mind, Russo didn't exactly create good character development, either. -=Mike
Guest Best Buy Team Member Since 2002 Posted February 24, 2002 Report Posted February 24, 2002 Yeah, but since the fans supposedly don't care much about HHH and you say Edge is more over than he, wouldn't it be better for Jericho to beat Edge instead? I mean, the fans do care about him and not HHH, right? And I still pose this question; how is beating an "un-over" HHH going to cement Jericho in the ME? HHH is pretty low on the totem pole remember? And If Jericho's beaten the Rock FIVE TIMES, cleanly or not, and still being looked at as a chump, how is HHH going to help if he isn't over? Face it, the Jericho experiment is a failure. It's like birthing a five month baby, it's going to have some development but it won't be ready to survive in the world.
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Posted February 24, 2002 Report Posted February 24, 2002 Look. I've qualified this statement several times. I judge how "over" someone is in relation to their place on the card. HHH is not over enough as a face to be in the title match at WrestleMania. At the same time, RVD is too over to be wrestling Goldust in the 2nd match of the night.
Guest Tony149 Posted February 24, 2002 Report Posted February 24, 2002 Amazing how much his "genius" got clouded when he didn't have the WWF behind him, huh? Why did Russo push the young guys? Because he had no other option. It's not like Nash was de-pushed under Russo in WCW. The WWF has done a terrible job---but keep in mind, Russo didn't exactly create good character development, either. I guess you didn't see my post where I called it a joke, just so I could use the word "genius". But that's ok, because different opinions are good. Plus, I was talking about his WWF run. NOT his WCW run. Which people like to bring up because he failed there. Russo gave midcarders angles in his WWF run as writer. For the most part, WWF PPV's from 1998-1999 had some sort of story behind it, instead of stuff thrown together at the last minute. The WWF hardly gives their midcarders angles. I thought Russo was good with McMahon looking over him in the WWF. Both guys had/have fallen on hard times in different ways since Oct. 1999.
Guest obi won jabroni Posted February 24, 2002 Report Posted February 24, 2002 That was the great thing about when Russo was booking the WWF. All the wrestlers on the show had a story to follow. Regardless of where on the card they were. The WWF really needs to get back to that place again. Then theywon't need to rely on two or three 20 minute promo's a show.
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