Guest Anglesault Report post Posted August 12, 2002 What would happen/have happened if... Edge hadn't cought on to the fact that he would be pushed no matter what, and never went into SpearDork cruise control? Vince realized that Brock is an enormous failure? They let Angle run with the world title as a real champion? Chris Benoit could cut real main event level promos? RVD finally beat Undertaker? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted August 12, 2002 RVD has beaten Taker Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted August 12, 2002 Oh, yeah. On a Raw last October or something, right? That was the perios where he beat Angle and Austin (During their world ttile reigns) Rock, Kane and Taker like rapid fire. Still, I meant a meaningful match Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest razazteca Report post Posted August 12, 2002 Kurt Angle as the champion would make sence, well because the USA is under attack from the Canadians. Brock will have a Psycho Sid Justice title reign as champion. RVD has beaten Jeff Hardy, Undertaker has Main Evented Raw in a Ladder match against Hardy, so therefore RVD = ME. Chris Beniot has Latino Heat to cut the promos for him....its part of the tag team formula. When Rhyno and Goldberg enter the WWE rings, Edge will have to change his style. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted August 12, 2002 Problem: Lationo Heatless cutting a promo to get someone over at this point is about as affective as me cutting the promo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest y2jailbait Report post Posted August 12, 2002 Problem: Lationo Heatless cutting a promo to get someone over at this point is about as affective as me cutting the promo. "latino heatless" come on now, he's probably the second best heel in the WWE right now, did you watch Rock Vs Eddie, did ya watch any of the RVD/Eddie matches? Please, tell me how he's "heatless"? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest y2jailbait Report post Posted August 12, 2002 By the way, his promos have not suffered in the past months, he's just been stuck with that latino accent, and even with that he's still one of the best in the WWE. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AlwaysPissedOff Report post Posted August 12, 2002 Edge hadn't cought on to the fact that he would be pushed no matter what, and never went into SpearDork cruise control? Nice to see SOME things never change... Vince realized that Brock is an enormous failure? Pretty much everything has been an enormous failure this year. They let Angle run with the world title as a real champion? He wouldn't do any better than all the rest of the champs this year. Chris Benoit could cut real main event level promos? It wouldn't matter because he's just not that over. RVD finally beat Undertaker? No one would give a rat's ass. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted August 12, 2002 "Edge hadn't cought on to the fact that he would be pushed no matter what, and never went into SpearDork cruise control?" I don't blame Edge. He's just NOT anything better than ordinary. It's WWE's fault for trying to make him seem better than he is. "Vince realized that Brock is an enormous failure?" I think he does. "They let Angle run with the world title as a real champion?" Depends on what his title matches were like. Cause...you know...any champion will have mandatory ppv main events with HHH and Taker. And NO MATTER WHO the champion is...those matches blow. But Angle could potentially be as big a star as the WWE has ever had. "Chris Benoit could cut real main event level promos?" He'd get a push. But no one would care any more or less about him. To quote myself: If you need a 20 minute promo to make people care about your matches...you aren't a very good wrestler. People ARE into Benoit's matches...because he's good. People are into RVD's matches...because he's exciting. Why force a mic down their throat when people care more about their matches than they do Taker's or HHH's after boring long ass promos? "RVD finally beat Undertaker?" If it was built the way it should have been and been for the title at Summerslam...well...ratings would have stayed the same...but RVD would have been a beleivable main eventer. The story was good...the match would have been decent (which is ***** for Taker) and the payoff would have been great. But...again...mandatory challenges from Taker and HHH would bring it down just as soon as they would for anyone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted August 12, 2002 Problem: Lationo Heatless cutting a promo to get someone over at this point is about as affective as me cutting the promo. "latino heatless" come on now, he's probably the second best heel in the WWE right now, did you watch Rock Vs Eddie, did ya watch any of the RVD/Eddie matches? Please, tell me how he's "heatless"? Okay. After "Latino Heat" you are not supposed to hear 15,000 fans heading to the concession stand. Eddie is great. But not at all over. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alfdogg Report post Posted August 12, 2002 1. They let Angle run with the world title as a real champion? He wouldn't do any better than all the rest of the champs this year. 2. RVD finally beat Undertaker? No one would give a rat's ass. 1) Bullshit. One month with the title on Angle would make him the best champ this year behind Jericho, because a. HHH blew ass in the ring and on the mic and only got the belt to humiliate Jericho. b. Hogan blew ass in the ring, and was only given the title because the nostalgia craze was over and they wanted to see if it could boost ratings. c. Taker was a better champ than Hogan or HHH, but his character was stale as shit. d. Rock losing to Brock will make his reign suck by default. 2) Bullshit again. YOU wouldn't care, just because you don't like RVD. But that doesn't mean no one else would. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AlwaysPissedOff Report post Posted August 12, 2002 1) Bullshit. One month with the title on Angle would make him the best champ this year behind Jericho, because a. HHH blew ass in the ring and on the mic and only got the belt to humiliate Jericho. b. Hogan blew ass in the ring, and was only given the title because the nostalgia craze was over and they wanted to see if it could boost ratings. c. Taker was a better champ than Hogan or HHH, but his character was stale as shit. d. Rock losing to Brock will make his reign suck by default. 2) Bullshit again. YOU wouldn't care, just because you don't like RVD. But that doesn't mean no one else would. 1) How would Angle be any different than Jericho was? His character has been sabotaged almost as much as Jericho's has and let's face facts here, if THE ROCK can't draw jackshit, then how could Kurt? 2) The time when that win COULD have matter has passed and now Taker is a face again. Maybe if they had done it while he was still a heel, it would have meant something, BUT, they didn't and now it wouldn't mean jack. And the assumption that I'm basing this on my admitted hatred of RVD is fucking horseshit and a goddamn insult to boot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest y2jailbait Report post Posted August 12, 2002 Problem: Lationo Heatless cutting a promo to get someone over at this point is about as affective as me cutting the promo. "latino heatless" come on now, he's probably the second best heel in the WWE right now, did you watch Rock Vs Eddie, did ya watch any of the RVD/Eddie matches? Please, tell me how he's "heatless"? Okay. After "Latino Heat" you are not supposed to hear 15,000 fans heading to the concession stand. Eddie is great. But not at all over. If this were true, then pretty much all the fans in the arena would be hitting the stands for nachos. That is a bit of an exxageration. I understand why some wouldnt like Guerrero's character or maybe even his past, but you cannot say, in good sense, that Guerrero cannot be mentioned with the likes of Angle, Benoit, HHH and The Undertaker. He is probably one of the top ten (based on overall reaction during matches) in WWE right now. Again, i was actually wanting to ask this question in the WWE folder, but ill ask it now........ What wrestler can go out, night after night and sustain a decent reaction from the crowd bell to bell? Well, The Rock, Kurt Angle, Guerrero and Benoit (dont say they dont, Spike Dudley, William Regal, thats no reaction), Edge. Those are some that can sustain reactions from the live crowd, point one instance where Guerrero or any of those havent done so? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted August 12, 2002 Yes, Eddie gets decent reaction to his matches, but the crowd is BEYOND dead for his entrence. That aint good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AlwaysPissedOff Report post Posted August 12, 2002 ::: Taps y2jailbait on the shoulder ::: Word of advice: Edge is the next to last person you should EVER mention when arguing with AS... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AlwaysPissedOff Report post Posted August 12, 2002 Yes, Eddie gets decent reaction to his matches, but the crowd is BEYOND dead for his entrence. That aint good. It's kinda like that for a lot of people, not just Eddy. Not making an excuse, but I kinda felt someone had to point that out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest razazteca Report post Posted August 12, 2002 maybe Eddy needs to speak a language that the general public can understand Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest y2jailbait Report post Posted August 12, 2002 Its okay, Edge blows anyway, but i must use his name due to his "superstar" status. But anyway.......... Entrances huh? Is this what its come down to? Well, lemme be the first to say that the Latino Heat theme sucks, we all know it, and that may be the reason. Guerrero, in match that is, gains heat as good, if not better than 3/4ths of the roster, His entrance has no bearing on his performance in the ring. Besides, his entrance is rather generic, as compared to Edges, or angle's or the Rocks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted August 12, 2002 I've said it before and I'll say it again... the next time I understand a word Eddy says on the mic will be the first. Half the time I think that Essa Rios is coming back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest y2jailbait Report post Posted August 12, 2002 Yes, Eddie gets decent reaction to his matches, but the crowd is BEYOND dead for his entrence. That aint good. It's kinda like that for a lot of people, not just Eddy. Not making an excuse, but I kinda felt someone had to point that out. What do entrances mean anyways? I mean did ya watch Heat tonight? Spike Dudley of all people got a huge pop, but dont picture him in the main event at Unforgiven. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob E Dangerously 0 Report post Posted August 12, 2002 uh.. pops on heat are not totally real Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest y2jailbait Report post Posted August 12, 2002 Well, if ya watched, half the arena was on their feet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alfdogg Report post Posted August 12, 2002 Sorry bout that APO, it just sounded a little like bias to me since you merely said "no one would give a rat's ass" rather than explaining yourself. Some of you guys seem more concerned with arguing with Anglesault in general instead of trying to debate the actual subject with him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest evenflowDDT Report post Posted August 12, 2002 d. Rock losing to Brock will make his reign suck by default. No, Rock cutting painfully unfunny promos, not putting anyone over IN NON-TITLE MATCHES, defending the title once (except SummerSlam), or even bothering to show up is what makes The Rock's reign suck. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest y2jailbait Report post Posted August 12, 2002 Oh, i wanna debate him about this whole guerrero thing, it just kinda borders upon my biasim for Latino Heat and sorta my defense for Them Vanilla Midgets. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted August 12, 2002 Are you insulting the cow promo? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted August 12, 2002 Oh, i wanna debate him about this whole guerrero thing, it just kinda borders upon my biasim for Latino Heat and sorta my defense for Them Vanilla Midgets. Hey, I may not like Eddy's checkered past, but I can't deny that he is a good wrestler. As for a generic theme song, what about the Undertaker? HE gets a pop at the start of his music. And remember, "Eddy Sucks" can be classified in X-Pac heat category if you wanted to be picky. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest y2jailbait Report post Posted August 12, 2002 Oh, i wanna debate him about this whole guerrero thing, it just kinda borders upon my biasim for Latino Heat and sorta my defense for Them Vanilla Midgets. Hey, I may not like Eddy's checkered past, but I can't deny that he is a good wrestler. As for a generic theme song, what about the Undertaker? HE gets a pop at the start of his music. And remember, "Eddy Sucks" can be classified in X-Pac heat category if you wanted to be picky. Well, Eddy heat isnt X-Pac heat for the fact that Eddie is not looked upon with so much personal hatred for not only his character, but his look as well. I mean Eddie goes out and does the best heel act ive personally ever seen and earns those "Eddy sucks" chants every night. If this is a way to say that Eddie doesnt deserve his spot, well, all we need to do is check is track record for match of the eyar candidates and compare them to x-pacs and then youll see that the heat is justified as great heel heat. The generic theme music argument, well, if ya lsiten to his theme, he's basically had the same crappy theme for about 2 years, only without the face popping mamacita at the begging. Now its the more "Oh my god, i hate the sound of that voice" Latino heat begging. Instead of the cool latino begging, we get the dirty mexicano begging, and before we all get angry at that statement, im latino as well, and i know what that voice sound like, my dad uses it all the damn time. EDIT: Taker gets a new theme every six months, plus thats a verey important element of a wrestler persona, the music, and with Eddie's generic theme, well, it doesnt get the crowd going, which makes me give him even more praise for his way to get the fans into the match with just his pure heel talent alone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest benoitrules2000 Report post Posted August 12, 2002 The cow promo was about 20 minutes of my life i'll never get back! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted August 12, 2002 Your right, there is a huge difference between Eddy heat and X-Pac heat. Anyway Undertaker had Rollin longer than Eddy has Latino Heat. Eddy's current theme is only a year and a hlf old (January 01) and you have to take a year out for personal problems, so it's not as old as others. Besides, Ric Flair has had the same theme forever, and besides the fact that Ric Flair comes out to it, it isn't exactly the greatest theme on earth. If Test came out to Ric Flair's music, he's still get no reaction. The man makes the music, not the other way around. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
