Lesnar's Upcoming Title Win

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

I think it will be successful. With the way they are doing the Rock/Brock feud (which is very well done) and the many potential feuds that can come of it which have already been established (taker/brock, angle/brock, rvd/brock) it will be something we haven't seen in a while...

 

A well planned out Title Run.

[Guest art_vandelay]

I've got something to say about Brock's reputation on this board and I'm going to do it in this thread: BROCK LESNAR IS OVER. He doesn't look one bit out of place when he's in the ring with top guys (not only while wrestling, but as a main eventer). I've read a lot of complaints about no fan reaction; I'd like to believe that I'm watching the same show as you guys, because he gets a great reaction for a guy who only debuted 5 months ago and hasn't cut too many promos. I agree it's not as big as Angle's, but if your argument is, "Why not put the belt on Angle, then?", you have to build new stars somehow, and Lesnar just a good a choice as any. I'd prefer it to be Benoit or Guerrero, just like I know the rest of you guys do, but you've got to remember that success as a wrestler in WWE is 60% appearance. Lesnar has the look, and the fans buy it. The reaction he gets is enough for a push of this size. If Brock was a face then he'd get the same level of pops Goldberg did when he first started. You won't agree with me now, but once he pulls out the SSP, smarks will start to dig him too.

 

People will be wondering how it went from an absolutely fantastic first run with Jericho all the way down the ladder (hitting its chin on each rung) until it stops at...

 

Bullshit, Jericho's first run with the Undisputed title was nowhere close to fantastic. The title was an after-thought during his run, and I'm not saying it was Jericho's fault. Throughout those months he was champion nothing gave the impression that he was any more than a guy who carried two pieces of gold on his shoulders. Not to mention serving as a male extension of Stephanie in the culmination of her feud with Triple H. Just because a wrestler is technically sound doesn't make everything else he does just as good. If that were true, Malenko wouldn't have retired this early. I guess the blame for all that falls on the bookers, yet again. Barring any stupid moves, I believe this Lesnar push will be different.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

bps21 official comment on the last post:

 

 

 

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Guest Anglesault]

Brock is NOT over. In the beginning, his moves were somewhat over, but that wore off. Heyman was a little over, but it didn't rub off on to Brock. Now, he just comes out to silence. Why do you think they moved him to a canned heat heaven?

[Guest chirs3]

Jericho's reign, from the night he won it to the night he scooped up dog shit, was the best Undisputed Title reign they've had, and one of the best overall WWE Title reigns in a long while.

[Guest Anglesault]

Jericho's reign was horrible. Taker has had the best reign

[Guest art_vandelay]

Now, he just comes out to silence.

 

SILENCE? Again, WTF are you talking about? Remember when he entered for his match with Dreamer the night he jumped to SD, when he walked past Rock on the ramp? Did you hear that?

 

Why do you think they moved him to a canned heat heaven?

 

Then with that same judgement, NEWSFLASH: Guerrero and Benoit are both not over. Test however, is.

[Guest art_vandelay]

Jericho's reign, from the night he won it to the night he scooped up dog shit, was the best Undisputed Title reign they've had, and one of the best overall WWE Title reigns in a long while.

 

Why? List some reasons to back up your statement. Don't tell me it's because he had great matches either. Great matches don't make a title run great, smart booking, long feuds, and angles do. Great matches compliment great title runs.

[Guest chirs3]

Because of a brilliantly played out fued with The Rock, in which he came out looking better than he did going in. He helped put on the best solid month of TV in a very long while with that fued.

 

After that, yes, he began to lose steam. But his reign winding down was still better than anything we've had for a while. His reign was, in my opinion, better than Taker's, and better than any of the one-month wonders we've had recently...

 

Edit: The solid month I'm referring to is after he won the title. The Rock fued started before that, I know.

[Guest Anglesault]

Now, he just comes out to silence.

 

SILENCE? Again, WTF are you talking about? Remember when he entered for his match with Dreamer the night he jumped to SD, when he walked past Rock on the ramp? Did you hear that?

No, I only saw the end of that show, and the non reaction for the stupid belt segment.

[Guest Anglesault]

Because of a brilliantly played out fued with The Rock, in which he came out looking better than he did going in. He helped put on the best solid month of TV in a very long while with that fued.

 

After that, yes, he began to lose steam. But his reign winding down was still better than anything we've had a while. His reign was, in my opinion, better than Taker's, and better than any of the one-month wonders we've had recently...

 

Edit: The solid month I'm referring to is after he won the title. The Rock fued started before that, I know.

Jericho had ONE clean win in that reign, against Maven. Every other match had bizarre run ins that helped no one, evil referees, or copious amounts of cheating

[Guest Austin3164life]

I don't feel that Jericho's reign was a successful reign, but that was not the fault of the man himself. The bookers failed to continue the HOT RVD/Jericho feud, which would've ultimately resolved in RVD being a World Title contender. Jericho's reign has NOT been one of the best reigns in a long while. The last great world title reign was Austin's last heel run in 2001. Before that it was Shawn Michael's in 1996. The Undertaker's reign was fairly good but not given time and did not involve RVD, which would've been logical.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

Brock is actually less over than HHH was heading into Mania.

 

That's scary bad.

[Guest art_vandelay]

Because of a brilliantly played out fued with The Rock, in which he came out looking better than he did going in. He helped put on the best solid month of TV in a very long while with that fued.

 

Ohhhh... you mean the feud when the entire world was coming to a halt for the return of Triple H at the Rumble. Jericho did come out looking better thatn he did because of his feud with Rock, but he and the title still weren't the main focus of the shows, unlike it is now. I don't have to go on about the title's status by the time the nWo were about to come in.

[Guest art_vandelay]

Brock is actually less over than HHH was heading into Mania.

 

That's scary bad.

Again, I stress the fact that Triple H, and others who may be deemed better choices than Lesnar, have had years of build-up and exposure behind them, while Brock Lesnar is a new star. For a new star, even being less over than HHH going into Mania (which I don't completely agree with, btw) is fucking good. You also have to take into account that face/heel reaction levels will differ.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

He's not anywhere near over enough to be the champion.

 

That's all that matters.

 

IF you happen to think that JR screaming how evil Brock is while everyone in the arena stands in silence means Brock is over...that's your business.

[Guest art_vandelay]

He's not anywhere near over enough to be the champion.

 

That's all that matters.

 

IF you happen to think that JR screaming how evil Brock is while everyone in the arena stands in silence means Brock is over...that's your business.

Quit exaggerating. Watch some Raw tapes from months ago, I never once got the impression that the crowd was silent. Johnny Stamboli = silent. Brock Lesnar = not silent. His reaction is more than enough for a first time champion. I'd compare it to the reaction Angle received when he was about to win it.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

Then you are truly delusional.

 

And it's ironic that you bring up RAW tapes...when popping one in is all the proof anyone needs to see that you are mistaken.

[Guest Anglesault]

I think the low point was King of the Ring, personally. That was just TOTAL silence.

[Guest art_vandelay]

Then you are truly delusional.

 

And it's ironic that you bring up RAW tapes...when popping one in is all the proof anyone needs to see that you are mistaken.

I didn't want to say it, but bps21, you, along with a lot of people here, are letting your smark-ness get the best of you. I wasn't exactly comfortable with defending Lesnar even a few weeks ago, but last week I had a chance to talk to a couple of my mark friends and asked them who they liked currently in the WWE. First they said Hogan sucked, and they then they said they liked Brock Lesnar. Before I was about to throw away their stupid mark opinions with a simple "I like Eddy, Angle and Noble, I like the actual wrestling, not the other bullshit." I realized that I stopped thinking like a mark. And in terms of business and income for the WWE, the opinion of marks is all that matters for the WWE. So like it or not, we will see Bra & Panty matches, Triple H, and Brock Lesnar as Undisputed Champion. He gets a reaction, quit dismissing my points without even a hint of thought than your fixed opinion of BROCK LESNAR IS NOT OVER, NOBODY CARES ABOUT HIM like a friggin' robot.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

That's all fine and good.

 

But a look at the ratings will show you that, your friends not withstanding, the HHH and Brock show loses more and more people every week.

 

And the fact remains...

 

BROCK LESNAR IS NOT OVER, NOBODY CARES ABOUT HIM

[Guest art_vandelay]

The ratings have been declining since WMX-7, do you attribute all that to Triple H and Brock too? Ratings shouldn't even be worried about if you're looking to build new guys.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I give up.

 

You win.

 

With all proof to the contrary, I freely admit Brock is over.

 

WOO...BROCK...WOO...NEW PEOPLE...WOO

 

A shame they couldn't push people who were over and more deserving.

 

But I guess we'll eat what we're fed and call it over.

[Guest RicFlairGlory]

I hate to interject, but Art, you're talking out of your ass.

 

I dont care if Lesnar is getting a decent reaction for a guy who's only been around for five months. A decent reaction does NOT, and NEVER WILL justify a World Title Reign, not to mention one for this highly touted ::laughs:: UNDISPUTED Title.

 

He's green, he's barely over, and that isnt enough to be the Worlds Champion. PERIOD.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

Maybe he thinks that Brock has all kins of heat because the fans used to chant Goldberg.

 

That's the closest I can come to understanding how anyone could confuse Brock with being over enough for his first title run.

[Guest art_vandelay]

Or, we can always have a big plateful of what the minds of jaded wrestling fans serve us.

[Guest RicFlairGlory]

Or, we can always have a big plateful of what the minds of jaded wrestling fans serve us.

Do you even WATCH the fucking show? Not ONE, and I mean even ONE RAW did he get a big reaction, and the biggest reaction with him on camera was for what the Rock was doing, because the crowd didnt have boos in them.

 

And if you believe ANY applause you hear on Smackdown, you're shitting yourself. Next time you see Brock on Smackdown, and a large pop, look at the crowd, because nobody will be jumping up and down, 8 people in the building will be standing, and that'll be because he's on his way to a pissbreak.

 

I'm not trying to be this big smark, I watch the shows, he gets no crowd reaction.

 

I mean for christs sake, they were making the sound they made for the Worm when Hogan was Hulking up and punching, think its a coincidence that they sounded EXACTLY the same? I have a tape of Royal Rumble 2000 to prove it, same noise.

 

{edit: same noise = edited crowd reaction, ie, no crowd reaction on smackdown can be considered well earned}

[Guest art_vandelay]

I dont care if Lesnar is getting a decent reaction for a guy who's only been around for five months. A decent reaction does NOT, and NEVER WILL justify a World Title Reign, not to mention one for this highly touted ::laughs:: UNDISPUTED Title.

 

So do you believe Angle's first title run was justified? I'm not talking in-ring, I'm talking about crowd response. The objective of the mega-push was to build another main eventer, and I think they've done a good job. A win at Summerslam will cement his status.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I don't know what you've been smoking...but Angle was over when he got the title.

 

His three I's schtick made him the second most over heel in the company, behind HHH, who was a face at the time when Angle won.

 

Which would have made Angle...

 

the top heel in the company.

 

Go pop in Fully Loaded, or Judgment Day, or SummerSlam. All BEFORE Angle won the title.

 

He was over.

 

He didn't win the belt until after the whole Angle/Steph/HHH love triangle.

 

HE was over.

 

The tapes will, once again, prove you wrong.

[Guest art_vandelay]

Alright, I stand corrected. You're all right, you guys possess more knowledge about the product than I do. Brock Lesnar is a piece of shit. He sucks, and frankly, I think the WWE will go out of business shortly after he wins the title at Summerslam. I regret ever starting this debate.