Lesnar's Upcoming Title Win

[Guest RicFlairGlory]

So do you believe Angle's first title run was justified? I'm not talking in-ring, I'm talking about crowd response. The objective of the mega-push was to build another main eventer, and I think they've done a good job. A win at Summerslam will cement his status.

I ABSOLUTELY believe his first title run was justified

 

he was OVER WITH THE CROWD.

 

Thats all the justification he needed.... you remember Intensity, Integrity, and Intellegence?

 

Those there were the three words that got him hated in the WWF, and that gimmick of an olympic superhero got him over as a heel.

 

I swear to god, you must have never watched wrestling aside the last 3 weeks of Smackdown since Brock got here, and just filled in the rest of history with whatever you thought, because if you watched any of the RAW's from back then, or the PPV's, you'd see that Kurt was over, and here is Brock, the most unover person to get a push since the likes of Diesel, Sid, and Mabel

[Guest art_vandelay]

And I swear to god you're absolutely right, you've got me convinced. Everything I posted earlier was complete bullshit.

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

Fans then thought, "Man, anyone can win the World Title". And that attitude was the norm for 1999, when 11 World Title changes happened that year in the WWF.

 

Most of the people who held the belt didn't suck. Rock (at his best), Foley, Austin and Triple H all held the belt. Vince McMahon and Big Show shouldn't have held the belt, but I owuld take 1999 Undertaker over the Undertaker now any day.

 

During 2000, we had Triple H, the Rock and Kurt Angle. Can't complain at all right there.

 

During 2001, we had Angle, the Rock and Austin.

 

This year, we have reached new lows. Jericho hasn't been very entertaining, Triple H has been jack shit, Hogan still sucks, Undertaker is boring and sucks, the Rock is used sparingly but he sucks and Lesnar has sucked since his first match.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

Is Lesnar over? Yeah. Is he over enough to be in World, or IC title range? No.

 

Heyman is over, yup. But Heyman is also annoying as hell as a manager.

 

I'm beginning to despise the guy..because they're sacrificing Rocky to him, because Rocky WILL job to anybody. There is such a thing as being too nice, I guess. Lesnar is no Angle. Or even Goldberg for that matter.

 

It's a bad idea to give the title to someone this early, and this unover for world champion status.

[Guest cabbageboy]

The very fact that WWE is going to put the title on a green rookie and actually thinks it will WORK is what disturbs me. The whole Brock thing is complete and utter bullshit to me and I will tell you why. Remember last year when RVD first debuted in the WWF? He got over after about 2 matches, roughly 10x more over than Brock is now. Did they give RVD the title? Of course not. Most of it had to do with RVD busting people open and the subsequent heat he got in the locker room, and the fact is he had just debuted.

 

Now you have Brock. He's not really over to any degree, and really doesn't stick out all that much from the other roided up goons in the fed.

[Guest The Tino Standard]

I said this once before and it got ignored because apparently you peons are too busy jacking off to your own smarkness, but HEY: BROCK LESNAR HAS NOT WON THE BELT YET.

 

Everybody in here is talking like it is a foregone conclusion that Brock will be annointed the Undisputed Champion at SummerSlam. OK, so yes, it would appear that that is the direction that things are going, given that the Rock is leaving in September.

 

There are other ways to get the belt off the Rock before he leaves, however (including my aforementioned ratings-spike free TV championship match in early September).

 

I'm going to spend a good, long while laughing at all of you if/when the Rock survives SummerSlam still being the champion and all of you are left in here with your thumbs up your asses. The employees of Titan Towers will be laughing too.

 

I think the phrase I'm looking for here is "Hook... line... and sinker."

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

Ah yes... throwing away PPV main events on free TV is a GREAT idea! Just look at how well WCW did after they did the same thing with Hogan/Goldturd!

 

Face facts, spiking the ratings for one week is about the DUMBEST thing they could do now. They made this hole with giving Brock the megapush, so now they will lie in it.

[Guest The Tino Standard]

I'm not judging whether or not it is a good idea or a bad idea to have a free TV title match. I'm only pointing out that giving the title to Brock Lesnar at SummerSlam isn't the foregone conclusion everybody is making it out to be.

 

This is why I laugh at so many people on these boards. See the forest through the trees, kids. You are so eager to jump on something and find a way to say it is a stupid idea, you don't even realize that that isn't even the point of the post.

 

Look, WWF/WWE has a track record of having free TV title matches to spike ratings. Good idea/bad idea? That's your decision. Austin-Angle last year on Raw. Vince McMahon beating Triple H on SmackDown in '99 to give that show an initial boost after it first debuted.

 

All I'm saying is that it is entirely possible that with sagging ratings and with all the network shows about to have their season premieres, WWE will be looking for something to maintain interest in its weekly TV products.

 

How they go about maintaining that interest is up to them.

 

But back to the original point of this post, it's asinine. Lesnar hasn't won the title yet. We THINK he will, but we don't KNOW that.

 

Why we are having an argument about a title reign that hasn't even started yet (and might not even begin) is beyond me.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

Tino..the sad thing is..

 

We've called everything they've done with Lesnar since before King of the Ring. There's still a chance we're wrong..but not much of one.

 

If Lesnar dosen't end up winning the title, I'll be happy. But if he does indeed..

[Guest NazMistry]

The thing with Brock, is the WWE are relying on his gimmick to get him over.

The WWE never actually used Brock's wrestling ability to get him over as well.

Not since Goldberg has anyone got over purely on gimmick.

Angle had a gimmick, but he backed it up with wrestling.

Hell Cena doesn't really have a gimmick, but he has wrestled some good matches and is over a lot more than Brock.

Bottom Line, a gimmick means shit nowadays unless you got the wrestling to back it up.

[Guest Smell the ratings!!!]

I think we may have to give this thread the little girl award for bitching at eachother.

 

A reaction to Brock with the title will be the same as reaction to Brock without the title. "Eh."

 

Brock might be in a much better position if he could win a match without a Heyman-assisted F5 out of nowhere. But still, he simply hasn't had enough time and hasn't done enough to be big enough to be champion.

 

Look at what Brock's done.

 

Won KOTR, but was not too well recieved.

 

Beat Flair but with no buildup and by cheating, which helped a little.

 

Beat Hogan but with a week or two buildup clean, helped a little.

 

Angle with RVD, probably his best work.

 

And now this mini feud with Rock, which has seemed like "Oh shit, it's in 2 weeks! Have them argue or something!"

 

Way back before KOTR, it seemed like they just decided, "OK, Brock's our next champion. Let's make him huge". Of course, that task was assinged to WWE writers, so it didn't come off with more than a few hitches.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Know what would really MAKE this feud.

 

Rock is on smackdown, about to cut a promo. Lesnars music hits and he just stands in the entrance-way.

 

Rock begins his promo but seems nervous and really starts to butcher his normally smooth promos, cole and tazz start questioning Rocks mental state and wonder if Brocks 'mind games' are working.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

Brock shouldn't be a mind game guy. He has hard enough trouble expressing emotion as it is. He should just be a pure power guy.

 

I've mentioned it twice now that Brock should have clobbered Hogan during the old Hulkamania no-sell to wake everyone up. Seeing Hogan walk around the ring shaking his arms and then POW and he just keels over would have been a great sight.

 

I give the Summerslam ME 50/50. 50% chance he wins it, 50% Paul costs him the match.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Yeah, plus Brock really hasn't done anything 'mind gamey', BUT it shows intimidation, something that no one has given the rock; which would make Brock stand out.

 

The Rock is known for his smoothness, his promos are near flawless every time; hell, look at Raw, he never backed down from HHH (that bitch thing had me on the floor). So just imagine the crowds reaction to a BAD Rock promo (it can't be TOO blatent, just a bunch of little things.. maybe messing up the towns name .

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

The Rock is known for his smoothness, his promos are near flawless every time

So, what show are you watching?

 

"Go get The Rock a balogna sandwhich, this doesn't con.... th-urn you!"

 

I also watched him screw up his Flair-style catchphrase when he first used it. "Jabroni eatin', pie beatin'... Eatin'..."

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

Brock winning the title would recieved like a fart in church to some here.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

So, what show are you watching?

 

"Go get The Rock a balogna sandwhich, this doesn't con.... th-urn you!"

 

I also watched him screw up his Flair-style catchphrase when he first used it. "Jabroni eatin', pie beatin'... Eatin'..."

 

Yes, that is where the 'near' part comes in.