HHH to turn heel at Mania

[Guest kurtangledoesnotsuck]

Think about it. There are three top faces in the business at the moment; Stone Cold, Rock and HHH and we have Rob Van Dam and Edge in the background too. As far as heels are concerened, there is Jericho and Angle with Booker T and Test in the background. Taker and Kane are no-where currently, so don't ask why I didn't mention them. Is anyone else getting fed up with combinations of these guys in Raw and Smackdown main events? Me too. There are too many heels that aren't wrestlers; Stephanie and Vince being the two main people. HHH is really rusty. And alliteration sucks, but in my opinion, he was much better as a heel. He ruled all. He had great matches with everyone. Just now, he is a 260 pound nail waiting to get shined up real nice again. He will be back. Don't worry about that. He might even be better. However turning heel would be brilliant as it would hide his poor in ring work (at the moment), help even the face-heel scales, and would do what he does best again - having people boo him. 'Mania would be the perfect stage. Turning against Rock or Austin, and helping, but not neccesarily joining the nWo. Just a thought, but it could work. Just.

[Guest dreamer420]

I disagree.  There are too many heels in the WWF right now as is.  Look at this:

 

Top Heels:

Hogan

Nash

Hall

Angle

Undertaker

Jericho

Booker T

 

Top Faces:

Rock

Austin

HHH

RVD

 

Someone needs to turn face and even the sides up a little.

[Guest Tony149]

I would say Booker T would be the best bet to turn face. Then again, the split should happen after WM. So the sides should even out by then.

[Guest Army Eye]

First of all HHH turning would hardly be a shocker.  And yes I think the heel side is actually the one that is overloaded, with the NWO now here.  Booker T face turn is a winning move.

[Guest Dangerous A]

HHH should not turn heel at WM. As much as I dig him as a heel, he shouldn't turn. Not at Mania. That would possibly turn Jericho back to a face and he is just hitting his stride as a good heel. If you turn HHH, let it be with the nWo. That way it keeps Y2J EVIL. And don't turn Hunter til after mania. Let Jericho have some spotlight. The 3 musketeers (Austin, Rock, HHH) don't need it.

[Guest midnight_burn]

I could see HHH turning heel at Wrestlemania, but i wouldn't really like it to happen.

 

The heel side is already stacked as it is, so i think he should stay face, for at least a while.

[Guest InigoMontoya]

IMO HHH is REALLY bad as a face. I don't know what it is but he just looks so out of place, as if he isn't sure how to work as a face. His moveset is more of a heels too, even a little more now he has that choke takedown thing.

HHH just seems at home with the fans chanting "asshole" between each of his breaths.

And HHH always knew how to react to the fans when they chanted against him. As a face he seems to have no crowd interaction... just kind of talks over them.

As soon as HHH sneers at the crowd and says "I really don't have the patience tonight to put up with your crap!" the WWF will be a better place.

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

I agree with HHH being a better heel, even if I really don't think he's all that good, BUT, I think the WWF needs to see this face turn through because who knows if HHH manages to find his groove as a face and doing another SWERVE~! heel turn would probably hurt his career more than help it.

 

I think what HHH needs to do is get some advice from some of his fellow WWFers like Hogan, Rock, Austin, and Flair since they've all been top card faces and have drawn money long-term. Really though, HHH just needs to find that special "thing" to connect his character to the fans and really find his groove like Austin's anti-hero, Rock's egotism, and Hogan's All-American persona.

[Guest hunger4unger]

HHH will win the titles at Mania and basically fuck off the fans saying he used them and now that he has the titles he doesn't care about them. You can applaud me in 4 weeks.

[Guest Brian]

Booker T face turn is a bad move, just because Booker's worked out so well as a heel when they didn't expect him to. Logically, Undertaker eventually turns. Eventually, Booker T will turn when he starts winning matches, because the spinaroonie will only get bigger.

[Guest hunger4unger]

..I agree..the Spinnaroonie is a "face" move and Booker has established his character a great deal. Another guy I highly respect.

[Guest brokentusk16]

Will Benoit be face or heel when he comes back? If he does so within 2 months, he can help even things out. Granted he won't be up to 100% until mid-summer, but he would help out.

 

If DDP was given a serious face push, that would be cool. In WCW, fans flocked to him all the time. But then there's the "snowball's chance in hell factor" for that idea.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

Booker as a face = good

 

HHH as a face = bad

 

As far as the NWO being the top heels...until they stop getting face pops...they are not heels.  They are failing to get over as heels the same way everybody brings up that RVD failed as a heel at the beginning of Invasion.

[Guest Tony149]

You can't be heels when the fans see you as "cool". I would call the nWo tweeners, even if the WWF isn't thrilled with the cheers the nWo gets.

[Guest Risk]

You can't forget, there are "heel fans", fans of heels.  Every wrestler should be like a cult leader, HIS fans being his followers, his beliefs being their beliefs.  Saying you hate everybody would be good for ONE OR TWO antisocial characters, maybe Rhino, the Undertaker, ect.  Every wrestler should have SOME fans.  Afterall, heels and faces make the product look like a damn good guy/bad guy cartoon.

 

Thats a shame too.

[Guest Flair5000]

HHH won't turn at mania, they've seperated him from Stephanie to get him more face heat. Unless that turns out to be a ploy for her to undermine Jericho, which would be...silly.

 

Booker should turn soon. Benoit should be face when he comes back, if only because I want him to crossface Hogan till he passes out.

[Guest Kaoz]

Turning Booker face is a dumb idea since he is such a pussy right now that its hard to believe the fans would cheer a pussy.

[Guest cabbageboy]

HHH needs to stay a face for a while, we don't need a swerve so he can be a heel again.  He'll go heel again someday just not now.

 

Booker outta turn face, at least in WCW he had some heat as a face.  He has NO heat as a heel.

 

The RVD/NWO failed heel comparison doesn't quite hold water.  Bear in mind that when RVD debuted there was talk of a separate Alliance show, therefore there would need to be faces and heels.  The announcers pushed guys like RVD and Kidman as the faces in the Alliance.  The NWO flat out are supposed to be heels.

[Guest Flair5000]

No, turning Booker face is not a dumb idea. In case you hadn't noticed,  heels (with a few exceptions) generally are 'pussies' as you put it. It's kind of the point of being a heel.

[Guest Choken One]

That would be called  "Coward"...Booker as Face would work because then that serves a purpose for doing the Spinaroonie. Beniot would likely return as a Face (When's the next canada show other then WM18?, that's when he ought to return) Likely, Jericho will bepost champion and a instant fued is required between those two.

 

Undertaker is a eventfull face turn, They can't substain the cheers (even without Rollin)...His career is winding down and he will have to retire as Face at Survivor Series.   Keep HHH as face until Late spring...

[Guest Kaoz]

Yeah heels are pussies but Booker is the biggest one of them all. Angle and Austin were turned face easily because they won most of their matches while Booker T has jobbed most of his matches. Fans wouldn't want to cheer for guys who always loses his matches.

[Guest Army Eye]

Don't bother responding to Kaoz.  Pure trolling here

[Guest Redhawk]

I can't wait for Booker to turn face, just so I can hear JR and Cole acting like they enjoy the "damn Spinarooni" now.

[Guest One Bad Apple]

I fail to see how that last Kaoz post could be considered

"trolling." You're just saying that because of who wrote it. If anyone else said the exact same thing, you wouldn't have said that.

 

xkiller, who seems to be on hiatus, actually made some good points once in a while, in between all the threats to "string you up." But, everyone would dismiss any of those points because he's a "troll." I'm not saying he comes across as intelligent, but it's asinine to dismiss absolutely everything he says just 'cause he's gonna put his face in your girl's hoo-ha or whatever.

 

S'kinda fucked up.

[Guest goodhelmet]

Back to the matter at hand.

 

I've mentioned several times how a Booker face turn is long overdue. If you watch his old wcw matches, he was so much more energetic as a face and the fans really responded to him through his ring skills. I love Booker T to death but his methodical heel moveset does not suit his style. Plus, I always liked it when Booker did the spinaroonie in WCW. It would seem so natural as compared to the Warrior-like channeling of energy from unknown forces he does now.

 

As for HHh, he shouldn't have come back as a face in the first place. Immediately, since Austin was a face, he should have been back with one goal: to destroy Austin once and for all. OK, the MSG return was emotional and he was back but that should have been the end for the face heat.

 

I'm going to reserve my judgement til after Mania and the slpit. If he's working on the shows with the NWO, then keep him face. If he's doing Smackdown with the workers than a heel turn would be desired.

[Guest InigoMontoya]

I still say that a heel HHH is a better thing. What do the statistics say anyway? Although they would be hugely influenced by other guys, was the WWF doing better while HHH was heel?

[Guest mastermind]

Ah, the HHH experiment. I thought I made a bet at the old forum that Hogan/Hall/Nash would outshine Trips? People were saying Trips was more over than these guys with the fans. Yeah right! Watch if HBK comes back he will also steal some heat from Triple H. Triple H is my boy, but he wasn't underneath these guys for no reason. Well, maybe since he found the needles Vince used for the 80's superstars he may have a chance. In fact having Vince's daughter will also help. His charisma is beneath these guys and charisma goes a LONG way in this business.

 

However, I would like for Trips to be a heel, but that poster is right. He can't turn heel now because it might ruin his career. When a face turn really is needed the fans won't trust him. Actually, I think this is the reason for the mixed reaction at the moment for him. I guess once he wins the title and fends off the NWO the fans will trust him more. Remember like the incident last year when fans wanted to cheer him after WM 17? He sided with Austin and it caused the face side to be extremely weak.

 

The NWO gets cheers, but don't get it twisted they are "the bad guys". Putting Trips with them will make the group too strong unless they book it like SmackDown which would be a waste. They also went through all the hassle of making Steph/HHH's marriage over. I agree though Trips is just simply a damn heel. It wouldn't hurt having Trips in the NWO, but someone would have to turn face like Undertaker.