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[Guest NotSuper]

I recently came upon an interesting article. The article itself was both interesting and thought provoking. I'd like to share it with you.

 

When a woman is a victim of violence she is an individual. Sure, "they" collect and publish statistics on her, but first and foremost she is a person who was abused, and most of us feel that. When a child is attacked we feel the same thing at a visceral level: this is a small person who was abused; someone must pay. However, when men are attacked, there is no sense that an individual person has been hurt. This isn't "Violence Against Women," it's just general violence that happens to theoretical people. Even when it happens right under your nose.

 

I was a passenger in a friend's car about a year ago. There were four of us in the car, driving downtown, skirting the roughest district. Down a side street, I saw something that I'm glad I rarely see: two men kicking another man as he lay crumpled on the ground, curled in a fœtal position. I looked around for a pay phone; my first thought was to call the cops. My friends looked over and saw the same thing. For a split second we all stared. Then the scene passed out of view as my friend drove on. Nobody remarked on what they had seen. I thought of calling the cops later, but what street was it? I was too busy staring at the unsettling violence; I didn't catch the exact location.

 

Would we have stopped if it had been a woman on the ground? I think that the response would have been different. At least the women in the car would have urged us to stop, or at least circle back and call the cops. As it was, it was just some guy getting beat up by some other guys. Ho hum.

 

This is the most extreme example I've seen, and you could argue that my friends weren't very sympathetic people, or at least weren't very civic-minded, and I wouldn't disagree with you. You could also argue that I caved in to feelings of peer pressure and should have urged the driver to circle back, and I wouldn't disagree with that either.

 

You could argue that this is an extreme example and atypical. I have, however, seen other, less extreme examples, and been subject to them myself.

 

This year at the P.N.E., a local fair, I saw three people walking together, two girls and a boy. They were perhaps sixteen or eighteen years old. The boy and one of the girls were evidently a couple: he had his arm around her; they were chatting and laughing. Then the boy said something that annoyed the girl, and she hauled off and punched him in the shoulder. Now, he was a tall guy, maybe six feet; she was maybe five-six. Nonetheless, the boy grabbed his shoulder and made a face that said, clearly, "That hurt!" He may have yelped… I was too far away to hear. The two girls strutted on ahead, paying him no attention. He walked behind for some time, holding his shoulder, with an expression of intense pain on his face. Nobody—not the girls, not the crowd, nobody—paid him any heed. Did it really hurt that much, or was he playing it up to get sympathy? I don't know, but I do know one thing: if he had punched her in the shoulder and caused her to yelp with pain, it would be called "Violence Against Women." As it was, this event had no name.

 

One ex-girlfriend slapped me in the face whenever I upset her. She considered this perfectly reasonable behaviour. She was horrified when I slapped her back. The thought that I could hit a woman unsettled her in the extreme; she said that she would never get used to it. I said that so long as she felt free to slap me, I would feel free to return the favour. I wasn't angry at her: when I slapped her I simply laid my hand on her cheek with no force at all. Just the same, it spooked her, and I suppose that was the point. Her hitting me bothered me. What bothered me more was that when I mentioned this in my men's group meetings, I received fleeting, uncomfortable looks from the other members. I suppose that for them this fit the definition of Violence Against Women.

 

Another ex-girlfriend hit me occasionally, too. She would punch me in the shoulder, or in the stomach, when I said something that she didn't like. It didn't hurt very much, but I would tap her back anyway, with what I judged to be equal force. She always retorted, "It didn't hurt that much!" In looking back on this, I think I understand. She was absolutely right: it didn't hurt that much. It never hurts so much when you're the one doing the punching; it always hurts more when you're on the receiving end. She always argued the contrary, of course. She said that I hit harder, that I didn't know my own strength. I think, in looking at these examples, that it is women who don't know their own strength.

 

The ironic part about the latter story is that at one point, this ex-girlfriend broke down in tears and told me the most closely-guarded, sordid tale from her past. She had gone out with some guy during university for a couple of years. At the end of it all, when she was breaking up with him, he hauled off and punched her. She shivered even to talk about it. It idea horrified her and gave her nightmares, yet here she was punching me in the arm in a moment of petulant pique. I doubt that she saw the connection.

 

I think that there is a connection. Although there are brutal men out there who pound their cowering wives, I think that the feminist propaganda machine has ably painted all domestic violence as fitting this simple-minded and satisfying vision of evil. I think that the more mundane situation is more balanced: she yells at him, he yells at her, then someone starts hitting. Some domestic violence studies that take the trouble to ask claim that women start the hitting a bit more readily than men. The problem is that men usually finish it. This pattern fits my theory: that women start hitting because they consider hitting a man an inconsequential, even cool expression of righteous anger, and that men hit back because it's much easier to bring yourself to hit a woman who's hitting you.

 

Even if you don't buy my theory, I think that you have to admit one thing: hitting isn't necessary. Whether it's a slap in the face or a punch in the shoulder, no adult needs to start hitting another adult. What would the world be like if hitting someone else simply because of something they said was considered as childish and stupid as throwing a temper tantrum in public? What would the world be like if, as an adult, allowing yourself to get so riled up over something that someone said that you hit them was a source of deep shame? What would the world be like if a woman slapping her husband across the face was considered as serious as if he had slapped her across the face?¹

 

I'm willing to bet that couples would scream at each other for longer. I'm also willing to bet that there would be less violence of all kinds, not just Violence Against Women, and I wonder if in that alternate reality my friends and I might have taken the time to call the police.

 

Thoughts? Opinions?

[Guest TJH]

I can agree with all of that.

Don't give it out if you can't take it back.

[Guest NoCalMike]

I think the difference is, that Men can use their physical force over a woman as power. They can literally beat them up when they don't like something, and if the woman is stupid enough to stick around for more, she usually gets it, contrary to a woman hitting a man. If my girlfriend slapped me because of something I said, I wouldn't be in fear of my life, thus she has no power over me because no fear has been provoked. I would simply just walk away without fear. I think domestic violence has a lot to do with power, and how some men can't express certain things certain ways, AKA, they are fucked in the head

[Guest big Dante Cruz]

The interesting thing is cases whenever the man never does hit the woman b/c he doesn't want to or doesn't want to (literally) make a case about it. She could beat the crap out of him, though, and not bat an eye. I'm not talking the girl-punching-the-guy kind of thing, I mean, seriously beating the crap out of him. He can't really say anything and he can't really strike back. Catch 22

[Guest CoreyLazarus416]

My (ex)friend Emily (long story short: she turned into a bitch because I had an argument with her boyfriend, one that was strictly between me and him) used to hit me all the time. So I finally just exploded on her with a long string of cursing and yelling at her, and walked away.

 

If more people were willing to yell and curse in somebody's face, never blinking, less violence would happen. Or more...

 

Anyways, I agree with the article.

[Guest Chris "the chin"]

I'm bored so I'm goin to play devils advocate and ask some questions.

 

If a strange woman picks a fight with me in a bar and hits me first why shouldn't I be able to defend myself and fight back? Women claim to want equality, why can't I treat her equally here and kick her ass?

 

Why shouldn't women be drafted?

 

If women reporters can go into the male locker rooms after a game to ask questions, why can't male reporters go into the female locker room after the game too?

 

If women expect men to be responsible fathers shouldn't men have some say whether a woman carrying their child has an abortion or not? Is it their child or her child?

 

If a mother can take off for maternity leave shouldn't the father be able to as well?

 

Why do men have to pay for the dinners, open the doors, pull out the chairs? Should women still be entitled to the benefits of chivalry?

[Guest chirs3]

I've got a story for this.

 

I was on the bus riding home, when this girl who I didn't know began harrassing me (if you're trying to picture this in your head, no, I'm not the geeky taped-glasses wearing guy, I'm just normal looking). She gave me quite a few slaps to the back of the head (hard ones), a few kicks to the shins (hard ones), and somehow managed to steal my left shoe. I tried ignoring her, but despite repeated requests that she stop, she kept going and going and going...

 

Finally, I got sick of it, so I gave her a black eye. One punch, just to get her the hell off of me.

 

When I tell this story, people laugh at the fact that she was slapping me, kicking me, and stealing my shoes, and are absolutely horrified at the fact that I gave her what she had coming. It's really weird.

 

Was I wrong for this?

[Guest Cancer Marney]

If a strange woman picks a fight with me in a bar and hits me first why shouldn't I be able to defend myself and fight back? Women claim to want equality, why can't I treat her equally here and kick her ass?

You can. Of course, it's a million to one that a strange woman will pick a fight with you in a bar before a strange man will, but whatever.

 

Why shouldn't women be drafted?

We've gone into this already. Women don't have the upper body strength to carry or use most of the heavier infantry weapons. Also, dumping a woman into a foxhole and telling her she has to rely on three men if she wants to get out alive isn't the smartest idea in the world. Female officers in the Air Force have enough problems with sexual harassment. You think it isn't going to happen on the front lines?

 

If women reporters can go into the male locker rooms after a game to ask questions, why can't male reporters go into the female locker room after the game too?

Men get off on being admired, while women feel ewky when unattractive guys leer at them.

 

If women expect men to be responsible fathers shouldn't men have some say whether a woman carrying their child has an abortion or not? Is it their child or her child?

Her child. When you can get pregnant, when you have to go through nine months of hell without smoking or drinking, and 24 hours of intense agony, ask again.

I never expect a man to be a responsible father. Two reasons: first, history; second, the child itself. How would you feel if you knew your father had to be forced to care for or about you?

 

If a mother can take off for maternity leave shouldn't the father be able to as well?

Again, when you can get pregnant, the question might be valid. Paternity leave is one of the most idiotic ideas I've ever heard of in my life.

 

Why do men have to pay for the dinners, open the doors, pull out the chairs? Should women still be entitled to the benefits of chivalry?

Opening doors and pulling out chairs is trivial, and not one of my straight friends expects her dates to pay for her. They take turns, like civilised people.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

Finally, I got sick of it, so I gave her a black eye. One punch, just to get her the hell off of me... Was I wrong for this?

No. She was an idiot.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

Men can use their physical force over a woman as power

Exactly. Men can and do regularly rape and otherwise assault women. In comparison, women practically never rape men, and almost never assault them. Something like 97% of all violent criminals are men. If you're attacked by a woman, sure you can retaliate, but the physical differences and the criminal statistics make violence against women by men infinitely more threatening and prima facie problematic than violence against men by women.

[Guest EricMM]

If a strange woman picks a fight with me in a bar and hits me first why shouldn't I be able to defend myself and fight back? Women claim to want equality, why can't I treat her equally here and kick her ass?

I think it depends on how much damage you do if you fight back. Use of foreign objects nonwithstanding, a man would do more damage with a severe punch, elbow, what have you. Especially if you're a foot taller and a hundred pounds heavier, with sports background, going into a knockout fight isn't going to be "equal". That being said anyone who picks a fight with someone that much larger than them is asking for trouble. Tell her to piss off, and give her a shove I suppose. If you seriously feel in danger like she is throwing rocks or something, or has you cornered with a tire iron, I don't see why violence would be considered excessive. But why are you getting in such situations eh?

 

Why shouldn't women be drafted?

I've always thought it was a mix of two things. I think the biggest thing is that in general women do not have the same upper body strength that men have. Soldiers have to carry a lot of gear, deal with kickback and have to carry wounded people perhaps. Kind of the same reason that some people say women shouldn't be firefighters. If they can't perform job descriptions then they shouldn't have that job. Thats probably why they're not drafted, since you'd possibly get someone who wasn't strong enough, or your chances could be higher. Also some people have said that having women on the front line could create emotional stuff and put them at risk for rape etc. but I don't know that much about that, it's what I've heard.

 

If women reporters can go into the male locker rooms after a game to ask questions, why can't male reporters go into the female locker room after the game too?

Well can they? I dunno. Maybe it's because the guys will have a towel on and be decent by today's standards for TV? I'm talking TV now. Maybe it's thought that men would take advantage of the position to just look at women and women wouldn't take advantage of their position? I really don't know...

 

If women expect men to be responsible fathers shouldn't men have some say whether a woman carrying their child has an abortion or not? Is it their child or her child?

I think it really depends. On one hand if a guy is trying to force a women to have an abortion that's not right. The argument is a little stronger if the man wants to keep the baby, although having a baby is a huge physical and emotional and economical burden (not that an abortion isn't as well) and if a mother doesn't believe that the guy would stick around when the baby was born, and doesn't believe that she can support a baby, and believes in abortions, why shouldn't she have one, to protect herself. Personally it's a decision that would be difficult and horrible, and I'm glad I've never had to make it and god willing (and me too) I'll never have to.

 

If a mother can take off for maternity leave shouldn't the father be able to as well?

Is maternity leave used for the time when you have the baby and recovery, or is it for raising the baby? Clearly women need to recover from birth especially if it's difficult or a C-section or the like. But afterwards, if the guy is gonna stay home, I guess he should be allowed to. Certainly someone should stay home. I think our society still believes the mom is the one who would personally raise the child while the dad works.

 

Why do men have to pay for the dinners, open the doors, pull out the chairs? Should women still be entitled to the benefits of chivalry?

Well if it's for a date, a lot of the pulling chairs, opening doors, and stuff like that is to prove how nice you are, doing small favors. These days in my experiance I don't know one girl who would demand the guy pay 100% of the meal unless he asked to. I in fact know many girls who refuse to be paid for, since they clearly earn as much (or, frankly more) money as I do. I've paid the way before but I haven't done it because I felt obligated so much as I was trying to get myself over. Conversely I've never gone a date serious enough to warrent $20 a meal, so the cost has never been prohibitive. I think chivalry has evolved to politeness in general, and everyone deserves that.

[Guest J*ingus]

Maybe it's just because I live in Tennessee, but I've never met a girl or woman who refused to let me pay. In my experience, most of them expected me to.

 

And Marney, just curious, but where do you stand on the issue of forcing the father to pay child support?

[Guest Cancer Marney]

I don't think a father should ever be forced to pay child support. Not under any circumstances.

[Guest Chris "the chin"]

Men get off on being admired, while women feel ewky when unattractive guys leer at them.

Not all men. Many feel just as ewky. Perhaps the solution here is that no reporters should be allowed in the locker room.

 

Marney, you mentioned the reasons women should not be drafted to the army, but doesn't that undercut women's calls for equality. By your own admission they are not equal...physically. Basically, if a man and a woman are doing a job requiring hard physical labor shouldn't the man be entitled to more money if he is doing more of the work? Shouldn't the male construction worker pouring the asphalt or running the jackhammer make more than the woman holding the slow/stop sign without being questioned for it?

[Guest Cancer Marney]

Not all men. Many feel just as ewky

Oh, please. Find one - just one - male athlete who doesn't get off on being seen naked by female reporters. If anything, it's the reporters who get harassed, annoyed, and catcalled in there. It doesn't matter who's naked or who's not. The only thing that matters is who has a penis. Sexual harassment is almost exclusively one way.

 

you mentioned the reasons women should not be drafted to the army, but doesn't that undercut women's calls for equality

I don't know what this sentence means.

 

shouldn't the man be entitled to more money if he is doing more of the work

Any person doing more work than any other person is entitled to more money. More work / more skills required = more money. The rest is commentary.

[Guest Chris "the chin"]

"Oh, please. Find one - just one - male athlete who doesn't get off on being seen naked by female reporters."

 

I really don't know where you are getting this from. Have you taken a poll?

 

If anything, it's the reporters who get harassed, annoyed, and catcalled in there.

 

Sure, but maybe it's because the athletes want them to get the hell out of their locker room. Not excusing the behavior, just throwing out one possible alternate explanation.

 

I don't know what this sentence means.

 

Hmmm ok. Let me say it another way. If women aren't equal why should they expect equal treatment?

[Guest Cancer Marney]

I really don't know where you are getting this from. Have you taken a poll?

Men's sexuality is idolised and women's sexuality is demonised. Do you dispute that? If a man sleeps with 50 women, is he a "slut" or a "stud?" If a woman sleeps with 50 men, which is she? Now, which is the pejorative word?

Do men brag about the size of their penises? All the fucking time, isn't that right? Do women brag about the size of their breasts? No, because we actually have to live with them. And it's not fun giving yourself whiplash while you're jogging.

Men like being looked at. They're conditioned to like it. If a woman finds a man sexually attractive, it invariably enhances his ego and poses absolutely zero threat to him. Doesn't matter if he's married, it's still going to make his day. If a man finds a woman sexually attractive, it most certainly can and often does make her feel threatened, and if either he or she is married, she'll probably feel guilty as well. Doesn't matter that she didn't do anything. Female sexuality has been turned into a source of shame.

I don't know why you're still arguing this idiotic point. Chrissakes, a poll? A poll? Who the hell needs to take a poll? Let's look at reality for a moment, shall we? If that's not too much to ask of you?

maybe it's because the athletes want them to get the hell out of their locker room

You'd think that the athletes might have noticed by now that catcalls, groping, and obscene suggestions don't deter the reporters. So why haven't they gone to the stadium managers or the team owners and demanded a ban on female reporters? Gee, could the answer possibly be that, as I've been saying from the beginning, they actually like it? Unless they're all brain-dead. Which I suppose is a possibility, since they have penises. We won't count the ones who've taken too many steroids and don't.

 

If women aren't equal why should they expect equal treatment?

Your arguments would be more credible if you didn't try to make them so goddamn inflammatory. The average woman is not the physical equal of the average man. This is a fact. Your stupid and offensive restatement of this fact is a prime example of why I support feminist movements even though I despise many of the things they do: for the most part, their opponents are far, far more despicable.

Women are fully the equal of men in almost every way that matters. Qualifying for a physical job shouldn't be based on whether or not you have a penis, it should be based on whether you can DO THE JOB. (Front-line military positions excepted, simply because men are scum.) None but the most rabid of feminists has ever attempted to deny this. You aren't making an argument for your position; you're just building a straw man and attacking it with napalm.

 

I'll tell you what. You men can keep all the concrete-pouring and jackhammer-running jobs. We'll even let you keep all the front-line Army positions for yourselves. Knock yourselves out. We'll just be the generals, the doctors, the actors, the admirals, the teachers, the supermodels, the Presidents, the judges, the lawyers, the Senators, the gymnasts, the CEOs, the musicians, the military strategists, the engineers, the intelligence analysts, the scientists, and, of course, the navel-baring pop stars. Everything purely physical, we'll leave to you.

 

Happy now?

[Guest Chris "the chin"]

"Men's sexuality is idolised and women's sexuality is demonised. Do you dispute that?"

 

I'm a man and from where I'm standing I'm not seeing much idolization of male sexuality. Frankly it seems the general opinion these days is that men are sexually depraved creatures. Now that reputation didn't come from nowhere. To a large degree it's deserved, but it's not idolization.

 

As to women's sexuality, hey I've seen Sex in the City, seems like women are doing just fine...at least in New York... and on a fictional TV show.

 

If a man sleeps with 50 women, is he a "slut" or a "stud?" If a woman sleeps with 50 men, which is she? Now, which is the pejorative word?

 

Well is he 20 or 80 years old? Is he married or single? Who is he sleeping with? Is he cheating on someone? Were these 1 night stands? How did he treat these women when it ended? What were these women like? Is one of those women a friend, or worse my sister (in which case he is definitely not a stud).

 

The guy could be a total slut though men wouldn't use that term generally. They would call him a scumbag or a sleaze.

 

However, I will admit there is a feeling among men that if a man has sex with 50 women (without paying for it) he has achieved a feat, because getting laid is not easy for most men. It takes work. Lots of work. There is some grudging respect that comes with it.

 

For a woman to have sex with 50 men is no feat. There are always men to have sex with. It's just means you aren't picky. You don't get any points for that.

 

Do men brag about the size of their penises? All the fucking time, isn't that right?

 

Uh no. Most men don't. At least not to each other. That would be a little wierd. I have heard women talk alot with each other about men's penises though. In great detail.

 

Men like being looked at. They're conditioned to like it.

 

Some men do, some don't. Much like women. You're generalizing.

 

Your arguments would be more credible if you didn't try to make them so goddamn inflammatory. The average woman is not the physical equal of the average man. This is a fact. Your stupid and offensive restatement of this fact is a prime example of why I support feminist movements even though I despise many of the things they do: for the most part, their opponents are far, far more despicable.

 

Hehe well you like to push buttons on these sites Marney. Did you think you were the only one.

 

Women are fully the equal of men in almost every way that matters.

 

Except when defending our nation, or building the roads and bridges that allow our economy to function, and the homes or offices we live and work in...

 

But yes in every other way that matters.

 

Qualifying for a physical job shouldn't be based on whether or not you have a penis, it should be based on whether you can DO THE JOB. None but the most rabid of feminists has ever attempted to deny this.

 

True.

 

I'll tell you what. You men can keep all the concrete-pouring and jackhammer-running jobs. We'll even let you keep all the front-line Army positions for yourselves. Knock yourselves out. We'll just be the generals, the doctors, the actors, the admirals, the gymnasts, the CEOs, the musicians, the engineers, the scientists, and, of course, the pop stars. Everything purely physical, we'll leave to you.

 

Well okay thats cool, but you can't be the Admirals and the Generals unless you serve in the front-line. I mean who wants someone commanding men going in battle when they never shared the front line with them. That goes for men and women. That sounds fair doesn't it?

[Guest Cancer Marney]

you can't be the Admirals and the Generals unless you serve in the front-line. I mean who wants someone commanding men going in battle when they never shared the front line with them. That goes for men and women. That sounds fair doesn't it?

Nope. Training for combat and training for command are two totally different things. Why do you think there's such a thing as officers' school? Generally, only exceptionally talented people are promoted from the ranks. I don't necessarily want someone who's ducked bullets telling the armies where to go. I want the best person for the job.

 

There are always men to have sex with.

Precisely so.

 

Some men do, some don't. Much like women. You're generalizing.

Justifiably. Maybe one in a million men feel uncomfortable when women look at them as sex objects. 99.999% will think, "Hot damn!"

 

Hehe well you like to push buttons on these sites Marney. Did you think you were the only one.

No, but saying that women aren't men's equals makes you look pretty dumb, whether or not you're playing devil's advocate.

 

Except when defending our nation, or building the roads and bridges that allow our economy to function, and the homes or offices we live and work in...

But yes in every other way that matters.

You think commanding officers are less important than enlisted personnel? Then why do they get paid more?

As for building things, sure. Horses and cattle did a lot of unthinking brute labour during the Middle Ages, and I have no objection to men and machines taking over now. Most of you are horses' asses already, even though, despite the claims, very few are actually hung like a horse. Or so I hear from my straight friends, anyway.

 

As to women's sexuality, hey I've seen Sex in the City, seems like women are doing just fine...at least in New York... and on a fictional TV show.

Heh. I saw the first episode and it didn't grab me. Does it get better?

[Guest Chris "the chin"]

Training for combat and training for command are two totally different things. Why do you think there's such a thing as officers' school?

 

Officers lead at the front line not just the rear. The ones at the front get shot at just like the other guys.

 

I want the best person for the job.

 

Name me one great general who didn't duck bullets/swords/arrows.

 

Maybe one in a million men feel uncomfortable when women look at them as sex objects. 99.999% will think, "Hot damn!"

 

Since this happens to about .0001% of guys I don't see how you can make any kind of generalization. You're looking at the extremes (a stereotype) to make a statement about all men.

 

No, but saying that women aren't men's equals makes you look pretty dumb, whether or not you're playing devil's advocate.

 

They aren't equals by your own admission. And you're dumb! Nah nah nah nah.

 

You know I love it when you try to push my buttons Marney

 

Most of you are horses' asses already, even though, despite the claims, very few are actually hung like a horse. Or so I hear from my straight friends, anyway.

 

I wouldn't know. Like I said men don't really talk about that stuff. That's women's favorite subject.

 

Heh. I saw the first episode and it didn't grab me. Does it get better?

 

I don't know. Only saw the adds. That was enough for me. Those women is HOOOOOS

 

Hehe I know how cathartic these little talks are for you Marney so really feel free to vent on that last little piece. Let it rip. Don't hold back.

 

Don't try to deny it. I won't believe you anyway.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

Officers lead at the front line not just the rear. The ones at the front get shot at just like the other guys.

You think General Schwarzkopf's been shot at recently? Was it his experience in command or experience dodging bullets that made him a great general? What about Alexander and Caesar? Sure, they fought on the front lines, but that was only for effect; they thought it would rally the men. Again, you need absolutely no experience in actual combat in order to command. You can go to the front lines to get an idea of conditions, deployment, morale, or whatever, but your command expertise is completely independent of your enemy kills.

 

Since this happens to about .0001% of guys I don't see how you can make any kind of generalization. You're looking at the extremes (a stereotype) to make a statement about all men.

Let me show you. Everyone who reads this, please tell the class how you'd feel if a beautiful woman came up to you and said, "You're so hot, I want to go to your place and fuck your brains out for the rest of the week. Right now, stud."

Chris, if just one straight man honestly claims (even if he were to refuse) that he wouldn't be walking on cloud nine for the rest of the day, I'll concede the point.

I'm not saying this happens all the time (or ever). I'm talking about the different ways men and women react when someone is sexually attracted to them. Men invariably preen. Women usually don't. They're used to it, they're tired of it, and they get creeped out by it.

 

They aren't equals by your own admission.

Not physically. But how does that matter? Who has more power, Bill Gates or a professional weightlifter?

 

Don't try to deny it. I won't believe you anyway.

I enjoy sparring, both physical and verbal, but I don't "vent" online. Whether or not you believe that is really a matter of indifference to me.

[Guest DrTom]

Everyone who reads this, please tell the class how you'd feel if a beautiful woman came up to you and said, "You're so hot, I want to go to your place and fuck your brains out for the rest of the week. Right now, stud."

 

Lalala. That happens to me so often now, I'm used to it. My usual reaction is, "Damn, another one? I'll be booked solid for the next month if this keeps up!"

 

 

 

 

 

...

 

 

 

Ok, since no one believed that, I'll just say that I'd feel pretty damn good about it, and I agree that any straight man who says otherwise (even if he declines, for whatever inexplicable reason) is a terrible liar.

[Guest Chris "the chin"]

You think General Schwarzkopf's been shot at recently?  

 

Recently? He's a general in the modern age. Of course not, but he took fire as a lieutenant and a captain. So did Powell. They commanded men under fire at every level.

 

"What about Alexander and Caesar? Sure, they fought on the front lines, but that was only for effect; they thought it would rally the men. Again, you need absolutely no experience in actual combat in order to command."

 

I'm still waiting for an example...

 

"I'm talking about the different ways men and women react when someone is sexually attracted to them. Men invariably preen. Women usually don't. They're used to it, they're tired of it, and they get creeped out by it.

 

Frankly its all women's fault for looking so damn good.

 

Women don't preen? Come on Marney, have you seen what women wear these days. You aren't selling me on that one.

 

Woman would never tire of attention from hot, wealthy, romantic men who have links to the royal family (or the Kennedys) if that's all they got. It's only attention from the trolls they don't like. Unfortunately most men are trolls...well you get the bad with the good.

 

Who has more power, Bill Gates or a professional weightlifter?

 

Bill Gates, but he can still kick 90% of women's asses.

 

I enjoy sparring, both physical and verbal, but I don't "vent" online. Whether or not you believe that is really a matter of indifference to me.

 

Then why did you bother responding? You knew I wouldn't believe you anyway.

[Guest chirs3]

Let me show you. Everyone who reads this, please tell the class how you'd feel if a beautiful woman came up to you and said, "You're so hot, I want to go to your place and fuck your brains out for the rest of the week. Right now, stud."

Chris, if just one straight man honestly claims (even if he were to refuse) that he wouldn't be walking on cloud nine for the rest of the day, I'll concede the point.

 

I dunno how I would feel after the fact, flattered or freaked out... that's such an extreme action I can't really do anything but guess at how I'd react... but I would most definitely refuse.

[Guest EricMM]

Let me show you. Everyone who reads this, please tell the class how you'd feel if a beautiful woman came up to you and said, "You're so hot, I want to go to your place and fuck your brains out for the rest of the week. Right now, stud."

Chris, if just one straight man honestly claims (even if he were to refuse) that he wouldn't be walking on cloud nine for the rest of the day, I'll concede the point.

I'd initially feel pretty confused since a) it's not something that has ever happened to me (nor would I expect it to) and B ) it's not something I would expect a woman to say... Ah that's probably a sexist comment, but dammit I just don't expect to hear women say those things in real life. But it would be a pick me up I'll grant you. I don't think any guy would turn down that compliment, but like I said, it's so uncommon. We don't get catcalls from walking down the street.

 

However, I will admit there is a feeling among men that if a man has sex with 50 women (without paying for it) he has achieved a feat, because getting laid is not easy for most men. It takes work. Lots of work. There is some grudging respect that comes with it.

 

For a woman to have sex with 50 men is no feat. There are always men to have sex with. It's just means you aren't picky. You don't get any points for that.

Dude I don't know who you are but you are not scoring very many points with me. There is no difference between the sex drive of a woman and a man. We are both human, and while you think that it is harder for men to get laid more often than women, it takes one of each right? (Our homosexual friends excluded I suppose) What, do you think a signifigantly smaller percentage of women are having all the sex? Eww that's gross and it's wrong. For every comment you say about women you could say about men. If men lowered their standards, they could have more sex. It's universal. I'll tell you one thing, a lot of men these days are deciding not to lower their standards any lower than Brittney Spears or the next Maxim girl. It's good to have standards but christ. If you want that, getting 5 women let alone 50 WOULD be a feat...

[Guest J*ingus]

Let me show you. Everyone who reads this, please tell the class how you'd feel if a beautiful woman came up to you and said, "You're so hot, I want to go to your place and fuck your brains out for the rest of the week. Right now, stud."

Chris, if just one straight man honestly claims (even if he were to refuse) that he wouldn't be walking on cloud nine for the rest of the day, I'll concede the point.

Sorry Marney, but I have to disagree with you here. If that happened, my first reaction would be one of overwhelming paranoid suspicion: "Who put you up to this?" I don't have nearly enough faith in my ability to attract women for this to ever be a real offer in my mind.

[Guest bob_barron]

If a women came up to me and said that I'd laugh and ask what she was on.

 

You saw the pictures of me- I'm ugly!

[Guest HoffmanHBK]

"Do men brag about the size of their penises? All the fucking time, isn't that right?"

 

Other than in a joking manner (ala "my dick is 12 inches....around, hehehehe"), I've never in twenty years (including two at a coed college) heard a man brag about the size of his package. Just saying, and I'm sure some do. But you're probably digging into the lower elements of society there, which doesn't really give an accurate sample.

[Guest LooseCannon]

Yeah Hoff's right. Men don't brag about the size of their penises. Though I did encounter some discussion that was edging in that direction in the porno folder. But you can find anything on the internet, so that shouldn't really count.

 

I haven't really bothered reading most of this thread. But yeah, women can get away with some things men can't. Big fucking deal. Even if I could afford the lobotomy that would allow me to find this topic interesting and worthy of discussion, I'd probably still pass.

 

BTW would you guys still refuse hot sex with a beautiful woman if it didn't make you lose some theoretical argument?

[Guest EricMM]

BTW would you guys still refuse hot sex with a beautiful woman if it didn't make you lose some theoretical argument?

I don't think we were all supporting "the chin" to begin with.

 

But I probably wouldn't ever want to have sex with a stranger like that. I know it's dangerous and I think it's almost pointless. Relatively pointless anyways. But I'm an optimist romantic so what do i know

 

PS if you are not going to read the thread I don't think you should really reply...