Are you guys ready for the

[Guest Dangerous A]

The onslaght on pro wrestling from mainstream media outlets Sports Illustrated and HBO's Real Sports is about to happen here in the next few weeks. This is from the Observer from a week or two ago.

 

Apparantly they are going to go after the steroid and drug use/abuse in wrestling and use it as a foretelling of things to come if baseball doesn't clean up it's act.

 

In other words the media is going to crucify pro wrestling, a thing it doesn't care about, to try to save baseball, a thing it does care about. I'm hoping that these mainstream sports media outlets do fair and objectionable pieces. My problem is I see a ton of potential for ignorance at the highest levels.

 

Just thought I'd throw the warning out there before Smarks start to see these attacks and start posting like crazy here. Discuss.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

Well, let's see, the most dangerous arguement, It Kills People, is half-way ineffective after the PTC settlement. All those groups that were involved have promised not to get in the way of the company's business again.

 

I don't think anyone will be really fucking suprised to learn there's steroid use in wrestling. This is akin to finding out that they stomp the mat (awww...) Unlike baseball, wrestlers are not typically the most stable or moral of people. Drugs will probably be a constant.

 

Of course, wrestling isn't baseball. If baseball was the Wall Street Journal, wrestling is the National Enquirer. Always has been, always will be. Another constant is that nobody is expecting more.

 

I don't see what the big effect here is though. Business is already down as the casual marks have already left.

 

Also, legitimate sports types have always slammed wrestling. Nothing new. I think the only guy who likes pro wrestling is Bob Costas or if not he was able to shoot the bull with Vince pretty damn good.

 

So again, nothing new, and probably nothing to lose.

[Guest TestKick]

Wrestlers take steroids? That will shock people.

 

Of course, steroid use goes on in EVERY sport... many players use, and have been caught using steroids in FUCKING TENNIS... but since it's wrestling, it's evil and stuff. It's our duty to show how wrong those people are.

[Guest The Amazing Rando]

Some people need to learn that Baseball is a real sport...where fixed games only happen when crooked owners and players get involved...and that wrestling deserves to be in a completely different category...

 

it's a physical sport, yes....even with the fixed booking and such...it still is something that can be considered a sport...

 

but moreso, it is entertainment in a completely different sense than other sports.

 

It also runs all year round...non stop. No seasons. That also makes it more demanding on the performers than some sports. Sure, players practice and etc...but they still get good chunks of time off to be with family and etc...

 

 

Let Baseball be baseball....let wrestling be wrestling. Don't try to cut down one because of the problems of another.

 

I used to be an avid baseball fan....very avid. But when I started realizing that some players make more in a week than the US President makes in a year...well I simply got disgusted. Sure, lots of people make more than the president...but they can't do it in a week unless they win the lottery.

 

Professional Sports are all about the bottom line...the players try to make the most money for themselves, the owners try to make the most money for themselves, and so on...

 

Professional Wrestling has it's certain people that feel that only they matter and only look out for themselves, but on the whole more pro wrestlers say "hey...if we all work hard, then fans will come back, and that is more money for the company, and more money for us"

 

the fans are leaving wrestling because it is stale, but it is one of the few sports that can undo that with new ideas...

 

you can't change the rules of baseball, football, or basketball...it's always the same thing...

 

the XFL tried to be different, and it died......because it tried to hard to be innovative.......the same way Slamball will probably fall.

 

Right now...WWE is trying to hard to be innovative, with brand splits and invasions, and BIG SURPRISES happening way too often.

 

Isn't that what killed WCW?

 

Next week...Rock vs. HHH...an obvious PPV main event if there ever was one...being thrown out on RAW....

 

If this becomes more and more commonplace....then we may see the destruction of wrestling come to us faster than we ever imagined...

 

 

 

People who try to compare Baseball to Pro Wrestling can just go fuck themselves....

[Guest swan]

Comparing wrestling and baseball is like apples and oranges.

 

Lensar doing a cycle before his match with the Rock won't give him the edge to win, thats up to the fucking writer, not chance.

 

Baseball on the other hand, you bulk up, you can hit more homers, throw the ball farther, etc. which will give you an edge since the sport is based on skill and not a booker.

 

Don't people have better things to report.

[Guest bob_barron]

Who cares?

 

The media has always treated wrestling like a joke

[Guest AndrewTS]

While being bigger and stronger than another wrestler doesn't guarantee a win in wrestling--hell, if it were than Bill Kazameir and Mark Henry would be World Champs 10 times over--it isn't performance that roids are taken for in wrestling. It's look. Would Hogan be as much of a phenomenon without his 23 inch pythons? What about the Rock who--I don't want to spread vicious rumors--did use steroids back in his football days. Also, you-know-who (hint, 23-inch nose) hardly got any attention until he bulked up AND was pushed as a major heel. They do it for "the look," not because they want to make sure they can win a test of strength with Hardcore Holly.

[Guest Austin3164life]

Vince McMahon thrives on people taking shots at him and trying to "compete" with him, and he's huge on controversiality, because it brings ratings (sometimes). You can bet that after this degrading of pro-wrestling, Vince is going to go on a show and interview Bob Costas again and take shots at the actual sporting world.

[Guest Youth N Asia]

Does it really matter if workers are on roids?

 

It's not like baseball...the endings of the contests are predetermined...if someone's on juice it won't mean he's going to win his next match (like he would be more likely to in baseball)...it's up to the booker.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

Vince is going to go on a show and interview Bob Costas again and take shots at the actual sporting world.

Except that Vince McMahon always keeps trying to launch new enterprises in the same Actual Sporting World that he keeps shooting at.

 

 

Jesus. I just had a realization.

 

 

Vince McMahon is to businessmen what Goldberg is to wrestlers.

[Guest MarvinisaLunatic]

They had better get these stories on the air now, cause in 15 days, Baseballs gonna be dead anyway, steroids or no steroids.

[Guest XdojimeX]

"It's not like baseball...the endings of the contests are predetermined...if someone's on juice it won't mean he's going to win his next match (like he would be more likely to in baseball)...it's up to the booker."

 

Not surprisingly people miss the point and immediatley go on "main-stream media" defense mode.

 

The reasons to compare baseball and wrestling have nothing to do with sport vs. entertainment and everything to do with health of the performers involved. The last 30 years of steroid and supplement abuse in the wrestling business could easily be construed as the proverbial tea-leaves of what the athletes in baseball will face if it continues on the pace it's on. Dollars to donuts Billy Grahm is going to be one of the poster boys for these pieces.

 

Does wrestling get a fair shake in the media? Of course not.

 

Is it treated as a joke? Sure.

 

Did wrestling itself (and namely Vince McMahon) have plenty to blame this perception. You know it.

 

And has wrestling gotten off easy because of it? You bet your ass.

 

As long as wrestling has been viewed as a farce it's been able to sneak under the critical eye. Now that people are finally taking a good hard look at what kind of working environment these performers have had all these years the fans start blushing. Wrestling isn't being martyred for baseball, it had it's own coming for a good while now.

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

the biggest problem with Wrestling is that the steroids and shit have repeatedly killed people who took them to bulk up for the bullshit standards of weight in the WWF. It happened to Art Barr, Eddie Gilbert, Brian Pillman and others.

 

The fact that in 2002, we still have wrestlers trying to bulk up thru chemicals and hurting their careers is just plainly idiotic. Due to the fact that Vince doesn't push ANYBODY under 200 pounds unless they are juicing big time (like Rey), we have so much talent untapped.

 

Ya know the difference between Baseball and Wrestling when it comes to drugs? current Baseball players don't just drop dead as much.

 

Still, this media thing won't do jackshit.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

THANK GOD!!!!!!

 

I WELCOME THE MEDIA ATTENTION ON STEROIDS IN WRESTLING!!!!!!

 

Why?

 

Well...reading the Sex Lies and Headlocks book...it became somewhat clear that the WWF decided to push smaller guys (Bret and Shawn) instead of roided monsters (or even guys that just looked like they were juiced up) to distance themselves from the controversy created by Vince's trial.

 

SOOOO....

 

BRING IT BACK!!!!!

 

No more HHH and Brock....

 

More RVD and Benoit....

 

WOOOOOOO

 

STEROIDS!!!!!!

[Guest the pinjockey]

I don't know about that. If they stopped pushing guys that looked like they were on the juice that might mean even less Benoit. I am not saying he is using but the fact that he has about forty more pounds of muscle than his frame should hold could give the casual fan an appearance of steroid use.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

Well...

 

more RVD anyway.

 

Pot = TV time

 

Steroids = Bench

[Guest Dangerous A]

Take a look at Benoit from 94, hell even 96. Then take a look at him from 2000-present. Steroids my friends. I don't care what you say.

[Guest candie45]

Pot = TV time

RVD.

X-Pac.

Eddie.

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

Pot = TV time

"Your new WWE Champion, Jeff Hardy!"

[Guest the pinjockey]

Pot = TV time

"Your new WWE Champion, Jeff Hardy!"

I am not thinking that pot is his drug of choice. He would make a great X division champion though.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

No he wouldn't.

[Guest the pinjockey]

I didn't mean that literally I was shooting for something else there.

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

would 'Pot = Push' bring Road Dogg and Iron Sheik back to the WWE?

[Guest NazMistry]

Wrestling has as little Main Stream credibility as you can get for a Multi-Million dollar industry (Could that be Billion?).

So for the sports media to come out and bash Wrestling is hypocritical when they dismiss wrestling so willingly in the first place.

Bottom line is this, Wrestling is not a Sport. Last time I checked Baseball was a Sport.

If wrestling is going to get bashed it should be because it encourages steroid use, not as a defence of Baseball.

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

Pot = TV time

"Your new WWE Champion, Jeff Hardy!"

I am not thinking that pot is his drug of choice. He would make a great X division champion though.

more like the XTC champion

[Guest Shaved Bear]

well Brock and HHH wont be arund for much longer then

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

I don't think Brock really uses too much roids. He probably used some of the stuff that they give to football players and shit.

 

But Brock is a bodybuilder so some of his stuff may be natural and not chemical-made.

 

But.. Scott Steiner may not make it in the WWE if the media gets on the roid trail again

[Guest Shaved Bear]

scott steiner isnt coming to the WWE with the recent track record of injuries for WCW vets

[Guest Kid Kablam]

IS Benoit's body possible without the use of steroids. Dangerous A, you already weighed in, and my first response is to agree with you. But the thing is, I know NOTHING about body building. Cause, the way I see it, Benoit may have stayed away from bodybuilding in WCW because he was still a high flyer. But when he moved to WWE he became grounded, except for his head but, so the need for agility wasn't there. As a result he could build up a bit more. Again, my suspision is that he does use roids, but I know nothing about this stuff. As for workers using roids, I would akin it to fake breasts. I will always prefer natural, but some people don't mind a woman having fake tits. As a result, it's an accepted part of the fashion world.

[Guest Dangerous A]

I'm not saying Benoit using is bad or good. It's that I've seen his physique from 93-95 and then when you compare it to his physique from 2000, there is a world of difference. I workout regularly at a gym and have hung out with steroid users and they've seen what I've seen and said that in all liklihood Benoit juiced to get his look. I believe he was probrably using sometime in WCW, because I have footage of him from 99-early 2000 and he is big. Again, I'm not saying it's bad if a wrestler uses steroids. To each his own. I like Kid Kablam's analogy with fake breasts. I just like to knock some smarks around who think their favorites don't do things like steroids. The argument will come along that Benoit knows how to properly diet and excercise, so why can't he have his body without drugs. Well guess what, damn near all the wrestlers in WWE know how to eat and properly train right. The steroid thing gets weird with smarks. I've gone on record and said I think Angle used or uses steroids. I get flamed like a motherfucker. Angle marks say where's your proof. I go, look at his body from when he was in the olympics to where it was when he debuted. Big difference. Then comes, well he knows how to diet and excercise. Then I go, but I see back acne(and I've been to several shows with Angle and I've been close enough to see it) which HHH has, so HHH must be on roids. Then they go, well Angle's back acne is probrably genetic, unlike HHH, so there. And it's like, you know what, WHO FUCKING CARES ANYMORE! I just ranted and raved, I'll stop now.