Why Are There So Many Counter-Productive Matches..

[Guest Nevermortal]

Really, think about it.

 

Benoit vs. RVD

 

Angle vs. Rey

 

Unamericans vs. Bookdust

 

Eddie vs. Edge (tentatively)

 

All of these guys really need wins. And what does the WWE do? Oh yes, they pair them together so only 1/2 of them can look good. While 1/2 of them look good, human boremachines like Bautista and John Cena take the others' spots.

 

Mark my words, if Benoit wins at Summerslam, the next PPV, maybe sooner, he'll probably drop the belt to Cena.

[Guest BionicRedneck]

Well, they really booked themselves into a corner with Rey/Angle, by the looks of things.

 

All of these guys really need wins

 

I wouldn't say Edge REALLY needs another win, or Goldust as he is basically a comedy act.

[Guest Nevermortal]

Well, they really booked themselves into a corner with Rey/Angle, by the looks of things.

 

All of these guys really need wins

 

I wouldn't say Edge REALLY needs another win, or Goldust as he is basically a comedy act.

I was referring to Booker T moreso than 'Dust.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

I see Goldust taking the pin in the tag titles match. It's not like it will affect his overness as it is mostly from his skits.

 

I'm surprised the match involving the two biggest Job Boys hasn't been mentioned here yet. Of course, I'm referring to Jericho vs. Flair.

[Guest Nevermortal]

I'm surprised the match involving the two biggest Job Boys hasn't been mentioned here yet. Of course, I'm referring to Jericho vs. Flair.

I didn't mention it because Flair doesn't need the win. Only Jericho does, thus its not counter-productive.

[Guest Anglesault]

Eddy needs the win more than Edge, because if Edge loses, they can just put him over Kurt Angle, what they do everytime Edge's heat starts to fade.

[Guest Anglesault]

I'm surprised the match involving the two biggest Job Boys hasn't been mentioned here yet. Of course, I'm referring to Jericho vs. Flair.

I didn't mention it because Flair doesn't need the win. Only Jericho does, thus its not counter-productive.

When Flair wins it will be

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

I didn't mention it because Flair doesn't need the win. Only Jericho does, thus its not counter-productive.

True... but I wouldn't rule out Flair beating Jericho, just because.

 

Yeah, it's unfortunate, but that's WWE for ya!

[Guest RickyChosyu]

Another win over a midcarder ranked lower than him won't do anything for Edge. Eventually they're going to have to put up or shut when it comes to his main event push, and I'm afraid by the time they do, it may be too late.

 

Angle/Rey doesn't have to be an issue if they don't want it to be. As long as Rey gets treated with respect (and I don't mean the "he gave it his all, even though he's really, really short!" kind of respect, either) then it doesn't matter if he wins or loses. The purpose of the match should be to make it appear that Rey does belong, and if it accomplishes that, winning and lossing is irrelavent.

 

UnAmericans need the win to legitimize themselves as champions, but I don't see how BookDust need the win. Booker is a potential star, but that doesn't negate the fact that he and Goldy are a comedy pairing at best, and a complete joke at worst. They shouldn't be given the win here, even if they are over, because it's at the expense of an angle that has more potential.

 

Benoit/RVD isn't really an issue either. Benoit has already pinned Rob, so giving him the job back isn't too big a deal, since Benoit has since moved on to better things anyway. A loss for Rob would only be bad if it looked like he hadn't improved from their previous encounter. If they portray him as coming closer and closer to beating Benoit, then another loss just makes his eventual win seem all the more dramatic.

[Guest Nevermortal]

Sad part is that Benoit & RVD should already be above the IC title.

 

Also, at this point in his life, Ric Flair shouldn't be wrestling, let alone being put over guys (especially guys who are struggling after being buried for nearly a 1/2 a year).

[Guest TheHulkster]

It may or not be counter-productive, but I like it. I hate watching a match at a pay per view and knowing who is going to win before the bell rings. That, and most of those matches will probably be pretty good, so i'm not going to lose sleep over the fact that a loss could potentially bring them down a small notch.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Whoever loses Benoit/RVD should be Brock's first feud as champ.

[Guest Austin3164life]

Whoever loses Benoit/RVD should be Brock's first feud as champ.

I second that idea. It should be RVD since they already have a "history" of some sort.

[Guest Choken One]

I certaintly would not mind Beniot going Over RVD if it means RVD can move onto Brock and the World Title.

 

However, If Rock-Brock can't draw...how can you expect Beniot-Brock to come close?

[Guest RickyChosyu]

Brock has already beaten the guy too many times for it to matter. It's a tired feud. That leaves Benoit/Lesnar, which isn't going to be cranking the buy rate any time soon, either.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

Brock has already beaten the guy too many times for it to matter. It's a tired feud.

Yet Lesnar hasn't solidly and soundly defeated RVD. The last time they met was at Vengeance where they booked themselves into a corner (as usual).

 

Benoit's my fave, but Benoit is a heel, so a Lesnar/Benoit feud is out. I'd buy a RVD/Lesnar feud if they'd accentuate how Lesnar has never beaten RVD without Heyman's involvement.

[Guest Choken One]

Here's what I forsee...

 

If Brock wins, Expect either Undertaker or Rob Van Dam to get the title shot.

 

If Rock wins...Expect HHH (after losing to HBK) gets a title match and wins the title as Rock is leaving and it would "Regain" heat.

 

As for Beniot? If he loses the title...Expect a feud with Edge since that looks next anyways...RVD however, is exhuasted and that leaves only Brock (as Champ) or he'll have to jump since he's out of people in raw.

[Guest Goodear]

So, let me see if I have this strait. You don't want WWE to have these matches, because when some of the these guys lose, they'll look bad and we'll instead have matches with guys you don't like. Right?

So the answer is to... have matches with the guys you don't like to start with? Not have matches?

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

To whom is that post directed to, Goodear?

[Guest RicFlairGlory]

I'd assume towards the originator of the thread...

[Guest Goodear]

You'd assume correctly.

[Guest RickyChosyu]

Wait, first of all, why would HBK beat HHH at all, in any situation? That makes no sense, especially if Trips is supposed to go on and feud with Rock (which won't happen, because Lesnar's getting the title).

 

Here's the thing: Brock hasn't beaten anyone without Heyman's involvment since the Hardy Boyz. The point is he's beaten RVD some three times now, and no one buys Rob as a threat right now. His legs have been cut out from under him too many times.

 

Speaking of which, Taker is most-likely the next guy to challenge Brock. Really, there's no one else.

[Guest Edwin MacPhisto]

Well, they all need wins, but I'd much rather see Eddy/Edge and Rey/Angle than Angle/Cena or Eddy/Batista. The best wrestlers currently in the promotion are the ones with PPV matches, and that's really how it should be.

 

As for them allllll needing wins...you really can't do that. If you have Benoit, RVD, Eddy, Edge, Angle, Misterio, Storm & Christian and Booker & Goldust all winning...who the hell is going to lose? Though I'd love to see all of these guys get big pushes and more TV time, you can't push everyone at once. 5 of them go up a little, 5 go down a little, and hopefully the quality matches help everyone. That's the way it works.

[Guest Nevermortal]

So, let me see if I have this strait. You don't want WWE to have these matches, because when some of the these guys lose, they'll look bad and we'll instead have matches with guys you don't like. Right?

So the answer is to... have matches with the guys you don't like to start with? Not have matches?

You're right, actually.

 

Excuse me while I go kill myself.

 

I've made myself a board heel in less than 12 hours.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

Benoit vs. RVD

Best you can hope for here is a looooong battle that ends in a DQ. Oh sure, crowd'll be kind of pissed, but if they're hot the whole match, It's All Good.

 

Angle vs. Rey

 

Rey. Don't let Anglesault cloud your vision into thinking that Angle barely has any heat at all right now.

 

Unamericans vs. Bookdust

 

I say Unamericans, possibly with miscommunication on the Bookdust side. I still see Unamericans as a short gimmick will break up by No Mercy, when either the rampant patriotism dies down (and to be honest, it already did quite a bit after July 4), or they make enough 9/11 references to give WWE complaints.

 

Eddie/Edge is a wildcard if it happens. I almost want to say "who cares?"

[Guest cabbageboy]

"Here's the thing: Brock hasn't beaten anyone without Heyman's involvment since the Hardy Boyz. The point is he's beaten RVD some three times now, and no one buys Rob as a threat right now. His legs have been cut out from under him too many times."

 

When has Brock beaten RVD three times? He beat him once at KOTR (w/Heyman interfering). All the other times they have fought RVD has bitch slapped Brock until Heyman causes the DQ. Sure, Brock has beaten RVD down a bunch of times, but that's not getting wins is it?

[Guest takapac]

More in the senseless than counter-productive category is Taker/Test. Even if Taker were to give in and drop the match to him (doubtful), Test's latest push is just going to be cancelled shortly like all of his others. Why squander Taker's rub on him?

[Guest SlowChemical6]

But if Benoit vs. RVD ends in a lame DQ, then it won't be a ***** match like the Internet fans are guran-damn-teeing it will be!

 

 

Seriously, I have never seen so much praise for a MATCH THAT HASN'T EVEN HAPPENED YET.

 

Yes, it has the potential to rock, but let's get a grip, folks.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

I agree.

 

As a fan of both, you're doing them a disservice by overhyping the match. It kind of reminds me of another Summerslam IC title match from nine years ago that dissapointed (you do the math and use the memory skills).

 

In the end, it'll just be more fodder to throw in yet another "I hate smarks/smart marks/internet fans" argument.

[Guest oldschoolwrestling]

Speaking of which, Taker is most-likely the next guy to challenge Brock. Really, there's no one else.

Great. I can't wait to see Brock steal or thrash Undertaker's motorcycle and then UT having his wife pin Brock.

 

They should have a contest to see who would be more out of breath after walking to the ring.