Question to the Whole Fed

[Guest HVilleThugg]

Ok guys...there's been a lot of tension running around here lately, most of which revolving around booking/CC. Now, I've been doing some thinking, and I wanted to pose a question to everyone in the fed for their input.

 

What do you all think about changing the way we run the fed and how CC is set up. Right now, there's an absolute power, aka Stubby. What does everyone think about changing the one all-powerful ruler strategy to a CC by committee strategy. Basically, having a group of 4 or 5 people make up the CC (for both leagues really), with 2-3 running the JL and 2-3 running the WF, but all with equal power over their leagues (i.e. - Edwin wouldn't really have power in the WF since he's active, but you get the point). Basically, this idea is to kind of impose a system of checks and balances for those in control around here. What would this solve you ask? Well, there are a few things that I think this wil help with.

 

1) I have gotten the feeling from a good number of people that they are usually afraid of saying something when they have problems or gripes for fear of being jobbed or held down or banned or whatever, by the power that be. In a situation where CC is run by committee, no one person can decide that they are going to ban or do anything to any other person, as decisions are run by the committee. Also, no one has t fear the wrath of the all powerful leader because they will know that there are 2 or 3 other people that run the league with him/her and that they won't be totally at the whim of someone that "doesn't like them" or whatever.

 

2) There is backup everywhere. Running this fed is easy and can be extremely frustrating at times, especially when people are complaining. A committee system would allow a person to step back and take a minute away from the fed instead of being frustrated and potentially lashing out at those around them.

 

3) When mistakes are made, the entire committee has the power to fix them, not just one person. So, no one has to wait until that person gets on and decides whether to fix the mistake or not. Those committee members that are on at that time can quickly discuss it and make a decision based on what's best for the people and what's best for the fed.

 

Right now they're one person calling all the shots, and I for one see that as a dictatorship. I'm not saying anything ill towards Stubby, so please don't see it as such. He has certainly done a fantastic job on the most part. However, I will acknowledge that there are flaws in the system as it stands that leave some people unhappy and/or make things difficult for others. All I'm doing here is posting an idea to get feedback on it. I am not trying to overthrow anyone, nor stage a strike or do anything that could be detrimental to this fed...all I want are people's opinions on a CC by committee system, and their ideas on how it could be implemented.

 

So, please, comment away, but before you do...read these rules.

 

Rules of Engagement

 

This thread is solely for the purpose of making this fed a better place. It's for brainstorming ideas that we could use to make this fed more enjoyable to everyone. So, DO NOT FLAME!! Don't flame on this thread. There is to be no direct shots at anyone, no namecalling, no bitching, no complaining about what you didn't get or what you think you deserve or anything like that. I want everyone to step out of the themselves for just a few minutes and think about what's best for the fed as a whole. DO NOT FLAME!! Not even in jest! Leave the flaming for the Apocalypse Comments thread...not here. All we want are constructive comments...

 

That being said...comment away.

 

Oh, and I had a better post planned in my head, but my limited memory made me forget it, so this is te post you get.

 

Da "tryin' to sort it all out" H

[Guest Tod deKindes]

I'm all for it.

 

Though I would like to mention; with college recently started, I'll be having less time during the week to write for Storms, so it's possible I'm gonna request a lighter schedule. However, if I really can't write, I was wondering if I could at least become marker for the JL. I'm marking on my first JL show this tuesday and I wouldn't mind helping out the younguns and giving them pointers and whatnot.

 

First one to mention a "Two General Managers" idea should be kicked in the shin.

[Guest Ace309]

Well, I for one have never had a bad experience with any of the bookers here. I am, however, but a lowly bumpee who's only been active since March, so I'd generally have to defer to those of you who have been around the block a few times.

 

As a rule, I tend to prefer a committee over a single booker. I'm not sure how things have been done in the past as far as what other commissioners have done. I for one think Stubby's doing a damn good job, but there are also other people who are more than capable of running the league.

 

I'd like to see what the committee can do before I say for sure that it's better than Stubby booking alone, but I'm inclined to believe it will be.

[Guest Rabbi_wilson13]

I don't see how you could really go wrong with a cohesive group of people booking. Delegate authority, get some match markers, yada yada, etc etc. If you had the right people doing it, and their locking of horns wasn't hurting the league, then you're in like flint.

 

No flaming, aye? THUGG SUCKS! You like that, tough guy?!

 

But back to all seriousness, this is probably a very good idea. That Thugg, he's a quick one.

 

However I don't really like the one big group over both the JL and WF. If there's communications between the two groups, then there's no need for them to be getting in each other's way. Keep them seperate, but keep them communicating.

[Guest Coffin Surfer]

Well I do think that Stubby does a good job, the only problem I see is that he needs to book gimmicks to wrestler's strengths. This place is just like 94-95 ECW where you have a very vast collection of different styles mushed together. It's hard to run a place like that, but it's not impossible.

 

You never saw Dean Malenko get booked in a C4 Barbwire Match, You never saw Axl Rotten booked in a ultimate submission match, You never saw Taz booked in a Luchadore tag match. Sure you had to find a common meeting ground like Beniot/Malenko working in table and Hardcore matches with the Garbage teams like Public Enemy. But even than, that was limiting the potentional of both teams.

 

Commitee, Stubby, I don't give a fuck a who's booking. But try to look at the writer's strength and book to that. Not everyone can write a joke match or bizarre gimmick match, not everyone can write a submission match, not everyone can write a cage match. Sure they can try to write a match with a gimmick they don't like, but if their like me they will find it frustrating and limiting.

[Guest Tyler McClelland]

...Stubby's gonna chew you out, boy-o

[Guest 5_moves_of_doom]

Well, there were about 6-8 of us talking about doing this in chat the other day, and so I would fully agree in doing this.

[Guest WrestlingDeacon]

I would definetly go for the committee idea. The question being, who the committee would be? By seeing who's marking and such I would say it would wind up being Stubby, Crusen, Thugg, King and Edwin for solely the JL. I think that would be a very solid group that I could get behind and feel comfortable communicating with.

[Guest redbaron51]

its about as good as you are going to get. If you get a group of people running it, they will have their own idea's and make it even worse.

 

Just leave it and it'll be all forgotten after the Pay Per View

[Guest 5_moves_of_doom]

its about as good as you are going to get. If you get a group of people running it, they will have their own idea's and make it even worse.

 

Just leave it and it'll be all forgotten after the Pay Per View

Solid point, but also take into account that there is a group of people who are just overall heated about Stubby being God or whatever. A commitee would keep everyone's ego in check, or maybe we should switch head booker every 6 months. I mean, we can't have the same guy forever. These would be elections of course, so whoever may be the better booker would win, and the man who is the best booker SHOULD be the head booker.

[Guest Thoth]

I agree with the commitee notion. Now that Thugg has a more active hand in booking the WF, maybe they can be the WFCC, and Crusen/Edwin/King/(And sometimes Strangler) can be JLCC.

[Guest Tyler McClelland]

Solid point, but also take into account that there is a group of people who are just overall heated about Stubby being God or whatever. A commitee would keep everyone's ego in check, or maybe we should switch head booker every 6 months. I mean, we can't have the same guy forever. These would be elections of course, so whoever may be the better booker would win, and the man who is the best booker SHOULD be the head booker.

My lord, you sound like the founding father of a nation, formerly communistic, that is doomed to fail.

[Guest BA_Baracus]

PROMO (Stubby P. McWeed);

"Ugh...hey Thugg.

 

How about consulting me before you post this? If this is how your comittee is going to work, it's not going to work.

 

It's diffucult enough to keep the two of us on the same page, neverless 2 or 3 people with the same amount of power. A ultimate power is needed to make final decisions.

 

Any country/company/organization has one, because it is necessary. Hell...I don't think anyone can argue that the booking hasn't been better and we haven't been producing better shows when I've been in charge and for months I was doing it alone. This was partly because I had a singular vision of what was to happen here and I kept things on track.

 

Having 2 or 3 people run things would be an absolute mess. We'd spend all our time undermining what the others try to accomplish.

 

Now please...stop all this garbage. This fed is working just fine. Just because Annie has deciced to throw a tantrum is no reason to start stirring up trouble.

 

How about we focus on writing for Apcalypse instead of arguing over this petty garbage? In my opinion, despite one small freakin' stip it's one of the best cards we've had in a while...but a couple selfish people have managed to take the focus away from everything else that's happening and instead has the entire fed obsessed over nothing.

 

I very tempted to lock this, and if I see any sort of arguments in it from now on, I will.

 

Mothernature says gah..."

[Guest Beingz0wningj00]

"How about we focus on writing for Apcalypse instead of arguing over this petty garbage? In my opinion, despite one small freakin' stip it's one of the best cards we've had in a while...but a couple selfish people have managed to take the focus away from everything else that's happening and instead has the entire fed obsessed over nothing"

 

 

The man has a point you all. Outcast comparing it to communism is pretty damn accurate. It's good in theory but I have to agree it won't work.

 

 

Stubby being in charge, with Thugg and King booking is working just fine.

 

Annie/Danny especially, just because it's a direction your character didn't want to take... It's not the end of a career.

 

Hell... I've done a summer of jobbing, fought in a bra and panties match, and was a Luke the Bushwhacker in the Clusterfuck... You know how many people remember that?

 

Me, really. Because it is not a big deal. This is like Munich crying because he lost to a nutbite, but over less drastic circumstances. You could have dealt with this better, but you didn't.

[Guest BA_Baracus]

PROMO (Stubby P. McWeed);

"Dawg...the intelligent voice of reason.

 

The world has gone to hell.

 

Mothernature says..."

[Guest crusen86]

Having 2 or 3 people run things would be an absolute mess. We'd spend all our time undermining what the others try to accomplish.

Not true - the JL has been done like this for at least 6 odd months and is running fine.

 

That's all.

[Guest Longdogger_Pete]

I never thought I'd hear myself say this... but I agree with Jay Dawg.

 

As far as my match stip getting fixed, that stipulation was something Stubby had agreed to give Bo and I over a week ago, and he was waiting for a final confirmation from me to put the stip in effect. I was a little late in that confirmation, so that one was my fault.

 

Whatever Stubby's reasons were on the other matches, the card is what it is. Deal with it.

 

It really burns me to take a break from writing to come on here and read this continuing crap. This is a game. It's sometimes fun and often time consuming, but that is all it is. A game. Every once in awhile, it'd do you some good to step back and think about that.

 

Now, this is quite enough. I for one don't want to see Apocalypse, a show I worked hard to get to, ruined by pointless arguing. This nonsense has gone too far. End it.

 

 

This will be my only post on this matter... no need to lock it Stubby.

[Guest redbaron51]

I wasn't pleased with the stip of our match, but i ain't bitchin

[Guest SupaTaft]

Well, I am too new here to say much about the way the thing is run. I'm doing well, I have a title shot, things are going good for me. I don't know exactly how the fed is run in the first place. I have a fairly good understanding but I'm sure there are things here and there that I am not aware of.

 

From what I have seen, and from what history has taught us, a group of people running things, almost always works better than one leader. Although I am an anarchist, I know that the fed could not run without order. I don't know any of the powers that be very well except Thugg, and I don't know him or his role all that well either.

 

Hold on S, I'll get this one.

Leaguer? Who the fuck asked you?

 

Having very little experience here, I am simply stating what I feel would be best for Thor, and the betterment of that character. Being the selfish bastard that I am, I could give a damn how the fed runs, as long as Thor is progressing as a character I'm a happy man. But if history teaches us anything its that the monarchy does not work. That and that women should stick to girly sports like jello wrestling, foxy boxing, and such and such.

 

All I'm saying is, if Thor is steadily wrestling Taft is a happy man. Handle the situation how you will, but in my own HUMBLE opinion, a group of people running things would work better than the current situation. Give the rest of the Creative Control just that, a little more control. Anyways, I've got 7000 words to make Mak Francis my bitch so I've got to get started.

 

[EDITOR'S NOTE: Thor will royally get his ass handed to him on Wrath]

 

-Taft

[Guest BA_Baracus]

PROMO (Stubby P. McWeed);

"What experience would that be Taft?

 

Have you been running this place for a year? Do you know what it's like to book? No? Okay then.

 

Oh...and don't tell met there isn't a heirarchy in the JL CC Crusen, because there is.

 

Mothernature says..."

[Guest crusen86]

Shit...sorry Crusen. Accidentally edited your post. Seriously.

 

I think you had written something like...

 

"The JL is run by more than 1 person. What about a heirarchy?"

[Guest redbaron51]

axis is best not to annoy stubby when he has the pipe in his hand

[Guest SupaTaft]

Cough.

 

Having very little experience here

 

Cough.

 

I never claimed to have been booker, or being in a seat of power. All I meant to say was, some people are complaining about the people/person in charge. When the rights of the people are challenged, the people usually rebel. I never meant to insinuate that I could do what you do, I have no idea where you pulled that from.

 

The little experience I do have has taught me to more or less keep my mouth shut. But I didn't say the things I wanted to Stubby, I didn't jump all over your back for saying one little tiny thing that pissed me off. You have a hell of a job and a hell of a lot of power, but with power comes responsibility. A responsibility to hear out the wrestlers, and make decisions on whats best for the company.

 

I thought this thread was for stating ideas for the betterment of the fed, not bitching at JLer who just might have a good idea.

 

-Taft

[Guest BA_Baracus]

PROMO (Stubby P. McWeed);

"Yeah...well more than 1 person runs the WF.

 

You're the leader of the JL CC Crusen, just like I'm the leader of the WF CC. Everyone knows it.

 

Meh...I'm so fucking tired of this shit. Thugg...you have problems with the way things are run...take it to me. The rest of you...you don't think your stip is ideal...that's too bad.

 

When I was writing I got tons of matches that I didn't think were ideal. Ideally I would have wanted a title shot within' a month, but it didn't happen. I can't give everyone what they want all the time and despite what you all think, I do try. This is the way things have been run from day 1, and even with more people running the place, that will remain the same.

 

CC books the matches, you write the matches. You can make requests, but they're just that...requests. You can't dictate to CC what to book and it wouldn't matter if there was 1 person booking or 100 people booking.

 

As I said before...there needs to be someone with some type of final say. 3 people with the same amount of power, booking the fed according to what they want to see won't work.

 

Bah, the fact that this has all arisen over a minor stip change is ridiculous. I'm locking this. All this still comes down to a few people making a stink about not getting exactly what they want. Well...their crap isn't worth disrupting the fed over.

 

Mothernature says..."