nWo not really hated

[Guest HBK WILL ROT IN HELL]

This is my 1st post Ya!

I don't know about you but don't you think for a group that is supposed to be the "poison" of the WWF they don't really have that much heel heat. I think they need to do some random assaults on people like RVD who the crowd love. What do you think about this issue.

 

 

 

[we want the WWF in Australia]

[Guest dilk bathoon]

ya, i definatly think some more random beatings are in order.

[Guest Shaved Bear]

well like all sorts of poison, the wwf will sell their shirts on shopzone, kinda kills your credibility doesnt it, then again looking for credibility out of a group of wrestlers waaaaay past their prime, and the man who created the xfl at one point is just useless

[Guest HybridNetwork]

I don't think there's anything they really can do to get some heat on the nWo. I mean, they had them commit attempted murder on Rock and the crowd just loved it. I think it's kind of hard to get the nWo over as heels when the most over babyface in the company is nearly killed by them and the crowd loves them for it.

[Guest Xstasy]

The point of the whole nWo shennanigan ain't to get them over as heels.  They are a pure money draw.  Plain and simple.  People who STARTED watching wrestling for the nWo, or became die hard fans because of the nWo, or switched to WCW because of the nWo, or fell in love with Hogan all over again because of the nWo, all of these and more will get vamped up about the WWF... because of the nWo.  Not to mention the fact that T-Shirt, cap, and bandanna sales will go through the frickin' roof.  And honestly... who doesn't want to see Rock vs. Hogan?  Ya gotta admit, its a win/win situation from a business standpoint.  Vince wants everyone to be into the nWo, that's why he hyped it up so much... and its gonna be a big payoff, no question about it.  The real question is... how long will he be able to milk it?  Will people get tired of the lack of heat?  Will the supposed "locker room morale drop" make things worse?  Or will the nWo era of the WWF usher in new interest, new high ratings, and above all... consistently high sales?  That, my friends, is the query.

[Guest HybridNetwork]

I think it's impossible for Hall and Nash to not bring down locker room morale.

[Guest HBK WILL ROT IN HELL]

yer i dont think it can last

[Guest The Masked Yodeler]

And honestly... who doesn't want to see Rock vs. Hogan?

 

I don't.  It'll draw, but I still don't wanna see it.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I don't want to see it either.

 

 

What I'd like to see is everyone who bitches about how RVD failed as a heel at the beginning of INVASION, complain about the NWO not getting over as heels, even though they kill people with trucks and then hide in dressing rooms.

 

Double Standard?

 

I think so.

[Guest Tony149]

RVD isn't cut out to be a heel. His moveset and charisma scream fan favorite. The nWo are more "tweeners" right now. They get cheered and booed. It will probably stay that way for a while.

[Guest Zero_Cool]

Xstasy has a point, the public wants to see this match.  The match interests me a lot.  The one thing I DO NOT want to see, is Hogan going over Rock.  If it happens...urgh.

 

For the nWo to be hated, you have to show them to be bastards.  You know what that means.  They need to beat Spike Dudley within an inch of his life.  I'm saying they destroy him on a Raw, making sure to bust him open with something vile.  Then, seeing as Spike is 150 soaking wet, Nash could powerbomb him from the ring, and through a table outside, without an excuse to flub anything, with Spike having the size of 12 year old.  Of course, it really depends on how the move itself is delivered.  You don't want pops, you want silence, or heavy jeering.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

as far as i remember the nWo got lots of cheers in wcw at least hall and nash did

[Guest Choken One]

The mainstream public are talking about this match like Andre/Hogan.

 

 Alot of free publiclity has already hit the waves before they even put the hype machine to it...People, all you idiot smarks...Don't you realize that this is Wrestling History in the making? THE TWO biggest stars of the sport we love are finally going to meet in the biggest show of them all...Shame on you. I thought you were fans...I guess not.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

If the Rock is one of the two biggest stars in the history of the business...this business isn't very good.

 

He's been wrestling for 6 years.

 

The spin machine has gotten to Choken One.  Don't listen to him...it's not too late to save yourself.

[Guest Tony149]

I gotta agree with Choken One on this subject. Vince must be loving the free press WM is getting. Rock & Hogan are two of the biggest stars in wrestling are finally going to go at it. Austin/Hogan is also money in the bank when that feud is done.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I can agree with that.

[Guest Army Eye]

As usual people are jumping the gun.  They've been here one week!

[Guest TheDames7]

If the Rock is one of the two biggest stars in the history of the business...this business isn't very good.

 

He's been wrestling for 6 years.

 

The spin machine has gotten to Choken One.  Don't listen to him...it's not too late to save yourself.

When people think of wrestling, and I mean the mainstream audience, they think of Hulk Hogan and they think of The Rock.  They don't think of Austin in the same category, even though they should.  Rock has done movies, and has basically become a mainstream celeb.....and THAT is why he is considered one of the biggest stars of the industry.

 

Dames

[Guest gofez]

them nWo boys don't actually want to get over as heels.  It's obvious, even in their wcw days, they want to be the bad guys you can cheer for.    On a side note, it was awesome to see hall get his ass whopped by one stone cold steve austin.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

People do not think of the Rock when they think of wrestling.  None of my friends who don't watch wrestling think of the Rock when I bring up wrestling.

 

It's always:  "Is Hogan still around?" or "Whatever happened to the Ultimate Warrior?" or something from WrestleMania 6 and before.

 

As for modern day wrestlers...no one i've ever talked to has taken the Rock seriously as a wrestler.  When I went and saw Mummy Returns...my friends couldn't care less if that was the Rock or not...they just knew that he sucked.

 

The WWF wants you to beleive that the Rock is one of the bigger stars ever.  Why isn't Piper bigger than the Rock?  He made more movies.  That seems to be what qualifies you for being popular in the mainstream?

 

What about Giant Gonzales?   I saw him on Baywatch once...he had more screen time than Rock in Mummy 2...

 

How about Savage or Warrior and those slim jim commercials?  Everyone saw those.

 

People think that Rock is nothing more than a cartoon character.

[Guest WWF4Life]

That's complete BS. Everybody I know who aren't wrestling fans are thinking about ordering the PPV, just because it's Hogan-Rock, and the promotion still really hasn't kicked in. Face facts, Rock is one of the biggest names in wrestling ever.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

How is something that actually happened B.S.?

[Guest goodhelmet]

The Rock IS one of the biggest stars ever. He has proven himself to be a huge draw. When Austin went down in 99, the ratings remained steady and Rock-Foley-HHH carried the programs. When Rock left last year, the ratings plummeted. While the Austin-McMahon storyline got the Attitude era started, it was the Rock-Austin matchup that kept people feeling the arena. Hogan-Austin may sell huge. Then again, it may not if the NWO has worn out their welcome by that time. If that occurs, then Rock-Hogan will be the match that set money records, not Hogan-Austin.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

Has anyone ever heard of Steve Austin or Ric Flair?

 

They're biiger stars than the Rock.

 

Those 2 along with Hogan had to do something that the Rock NEVER had to do...carry an entire promotion on their backs.

 

Hogan did it in the mid 80s

Austin did it in 98

Flair carried the NWA against Hogan.

 

Rock has never had a prolonged run on top...and it was HHH and Rock who were at the top during Austin's injury...not just the Rock.

 

Of course Rock is one of the biggest stars ever...because he is pushed that way.

 

But he is NOT one of the two biggest ever.

[Guest mastermind]

Rock IS one of the biggest stars ever. This topic is ridiculous. If you can't see it's POSSIBLE that Rock CAN become THE biggest star ever something is truly wrong. He has something over Hogan and Austin. He doesn't win all his big money matches and it gives him more realism that he can lose. It makes the match more intriguing. Hogan by the time of late 1987 and 1988 and especially 1989 seemed like he would never lose a match making fans get bored with him by 1990 and 1991.

 

Rock also doesn't have that extreme ego to always win the big match which I can't say Hogan or Austin aren't privy to. As for Ric Flair I think most casual fans will know Rock more. Flair is the Don no doubt in the wrestling world, but to the casual person on the street I think they will know more of Rock. Flair though is kind of like Hogan that he paved the way and people will always have his name on their lips long when he's gone. Give Rock 2 or 3 years and ask this question again. It depends how the wwf books him. If he goes over Flair, Hogan, and Austin and actually sticks with the wrestling he could be the top dog. Although that statement that Rock never carried a promotion is a very very strong point. It's true. He also never had a long run with the strap which should even make things more clear how over the guy is.

[Guest goodhelmet]

"But he is NOT one of the two biggest ever."

 

well, in that case I would go with Flair and Hogan as the two biggest ever. Even to this day, I don't see anyone surpassing Flair's legacy. Not Austin or Rock. I'm not looking at ratings or attendance or even championships. I'm looking at his aura. Hogan and Flair just seem to be so far ahead of everyone else.

 

That said, I don't want either Flair or Hogan to wrestle anymore (ok, i want Flair-Angle). Hell we might want to get Bruno out of retirement to see who was better between him and Austin. And these guys were pushed as some of the biggest stars ever the same way the Rock is made out to be a mega-star. They all had backing from the boss and ran with it. All of them.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

If you honestly think that the fucking Rock is the biggest star in the history of wrestling...I just don't even know where to begin.

 

 

We're not talking about 2-3 years from now...if we were...RVD could be one of the biggest stars ever...depending on how he is booked.  He's far more over than the Rock was 8 months in to his WWF career.

 

We're talking about who are the 2 biggest stars EVER.  Looking at it right now...the Rock aint one of them.  Hogan obviously is...and Austin is likely the other.

[Guest goodhelmet]

"We're talking about who are the 2 biggest stars EVER.  Looking at it right now...the Rock aint one of them.  Hogan obviously is...and Austin is likely the other."

 

I still feel Flair and Sammartino are bigger than Austin. Sammartino sold out arenas and was champ for 8 years straight! Hell, Austin has only been selling out arenas for four years tops. Same with Flair. He had a twenty year career on top. Then he descended into self-parody. Austin needs a good three or four more years on top before he can be considered one of the top two.

 

As for the rock, he's not even close to where these previously mentioned guys are, but today he is hugely over and can sell tickets. And he has been doing this solidly for three years. The Rock is huge, much more so than Warrior or Savage or Sting ever were and he definitely transcends the sport.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

The reason I give it to Austin and Hogan is because they were business changing.

 

Flair was great...and had to be or NWA/WCW would have folded.

 

Rock is behind those 3 for sure.

[Guest goodhelmet]

I'm sold on many of your arguments. I just don't think you give enough credit to the Rock for being the main draw when Stone Cold was out. Hell, he was put into some awful feuds (Al Snow, Paul Wight), booked in a terrible manner during this time yet was still the most popular man in the sport at the time. Kind of reminiscent of Bret Hart during the New Generation with HHH as HBK.