Guest ShooterJay Report post Posted August 29, 2002 It seems to me like the WWE can never get the idea of a heel stable right anymore, and it sucks, because it's pretty much the simplest thing in the world to execute. Heel stables, in order to get over, must create chaos. Beat down the faces, bloody them, leave them laying, break a few bones. Pull all sorts of crazy shit, like attacks with baseball bats and destroying fed property. Cheat to beat the top faces, but always beat lowcarders cleanly and convincingly. With a strong mic worker and some badass tactics, it gets over every time. The Horsemen, the original nWo, and the first two incarnations of DX were all living embodiments of what a heel stable should be (yeah, DX 2.0 were faces, but they still did some heelish stuff.) Let's take a look at the last few stables. The Alliance was too large and not cohesive in the least, lining up like lambs to the slaughter, and not doing anything outrageous. No desecration of the title belts, no hostile takeovers of TV time. For an evil heel stable, they were too well-behaved. Next, the nWo return, other than a few classic beatdowns the first couple of weeks, they did none of the original things that got them so over, and jobbed far too often, dead in the water. Our current heel stable is the UnAmericans. They get punked out all the time, resort to the most pussified heel tactics to win, never win cleanly, and resort to the cheapest of cheap heat stunts to stay even marginally over. Three of them have a tough time laying out the Undertaker. They're destined for failure also. However, the perfect stable is right in the WWE's face: Benoit, Guerrero, Angle, and Jericho. (I got this idea from a new guy's "Dark Horsemen" banner.) Have them band together because the GMs never give them a fair shake, playing favorites with guys like UT (I'm sure it can be kayfabed enough that the marks will buy it). Have them take out RVD in a parking lot, try to cripple the Undertaker with bats, bloody the Rock's "Hollywood" face. Humiliate guys like Hogan and Flair Hollywood Blondes-style. Dominate and destroy guys like Rikishi, Matt Hardy, and Kidman. They wouldn't necessarily have to be Undisputed contenders, just pick up the Tag and IC straps once in a while, and make runs at the big belt. Three out of the four guys are golden mic workers, and Benoit isn't horrible anymore. These guys could solidify the uppercard, and make the secondary belts mean something again. It could be the "Apocolypse" stable WCW never pulled the trigger on, a new "Dangerous Alliance," an angle to carry WWE through the rough times until Edge and Cena are where they want them to be. What do you think? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest kane3212321 Report post Posted August 29, 2002 I thought maybe a resurgence of KDX, rehire TAKA and Togo and team them with Tajiri, Noble (American representive) and Funaki and have them slowly change from comic characters into serious heels. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest creativename Report post Posted August 29, 2002 Agreed that Benoit, Guerrero, Angle and Jericho form a natural stable. I myself have thought of these very same people forming a stable; perhaps a new age Radicalz or Four Horsemen of some sort, but with an entirely new name and gimmick. Have them run roughshod over much of the WWE (no where near the complete domination of the nWo over the WCW of course, but have them be seen as very dangerous). If it is shown that even the top faces consider them a legitimate threat (i.e., no Edge dismissing them as ineffective "dorks"!), then they'll get over really easily. The only real problem with this stable is that 2 of them (Angle and Jericho) are already seen as pseudo-main eventers, and Benoit would be a credible main eventer himself (Guerrero, sadly, seems destined for perpetual "mid-cardness"). The WWE might be reluctant to have such an abundance of talent in the same place (even if they are treating Guerrero and especially Jericho like complete jobbers). They might feel the urge to populate a heel stable with a couple of jobbers, and use the stable only as a ploy to get 1 or 2 "hosses" over. They should remember though that in the beginning when the nWo were at their peak drawing ability, they consisted solely of Hogan, Hall and Nash. The fact that these guys were all big-time players is what fascinated everybody so much. So IMO a stable of these four guys wouldn't be a waste, but a big-time draw. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest kane3212321 Report post Posted August 29, 2002 I think Edge should call them dorks and that at first, then they systematically take him out and injure him for a few weeks and then he could return and be serious after realsing these guys are a real threat Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vitamin X Report post Posted August 29, 2002 Angle... Jericho... Benoit... Guerrero.... JESUS H. CHRIST SON! If we were talking sports teams this'd be like the Rams of WWE! Ironically enough, all of them minus Angle were all acquisitions of WCW..The Alliance could have been effective if all these guys were in it, minus Angle, but you'd have RVD to take his place.. But Jericho was too busy taunting Stephanie, Benoit was injured, and Eddy was rehabbing. *sigh*... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted August 29, 2002 No, I think they would be more awesome if they all went after the world title. First of all, the idea of a stable of main event level talent is awesome. Can you imagine The Face champion having to defend his title in a four way or whatever only to find out it's Angle Benoit and Jericho as his opponents? Besides that, they are all above IC level. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MR. COOLING Report post Posted August 29, 2002 <However, the perfect stable is right in the WWE's face: Benoit, Guerrero, Angle, and Jericho> Hmmm I don't think Angle really suits being in a stable he's funny on his own. As for Jericho I don't think he goes with Benoit and personally I'd think he'd be better as the leader of stable with Mr Perfect as manger and Kanyon and Christian as the tag team. However an "Apocolypse" stable would be good idea and these are who I'd have in it, also just for arguements sake I'm going to pretend that we're forming this aroud KOFTR02. Okay you tag team would be Eddie and Chavo Guerruro. These are just brilliant wrestlers and Eddie's proven that he can do the thing in the tag division plus they just fit together in a way the say Eddie and Benoit don't. Next you'd have Jerry Lynn as their Intercontial champion. This guy is just a great wrestler and from all accounts he can do the "angry at being held by the WWF" interview like a dream. Then you'd have Brock Lesnar as their "enforcer" type who just likes hurting people. Also at a later date you can turn him face and have fight the stables world champion which is... Chris Benoit. If they repackaged him as a bad ass who just built up to the Crossface, maybe adding a for Taxi Driver style features he'd be an amazing heel. And then their manger could be Paul E. Dangerously and call The Dark Horses! Now that would be stable. On as for the Anti-Americans I'd have Lance Storm as the main eventer, Test as the enforcer, Val Venis as the mid carder, D Lo Brown and Elix Skipper as the Tag Team (doing a "America's racist and excludes us" ticket) and William Regal as their mouthpiece. And also KDX without Noble would be sweet. W.W.I Cooling Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mystery Eskimo Report post Posted August 29, 2002 As for Jericho I don't think he goes with Benoit Huh? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FeArHaVoC Report post Posted August 29, 2002 <The WWE might be reluctant to have such an abundance of talent in the same place> I think it's more about the other Top talent (Taker,Triple H) being reluctant to do the jobs and be made to look bad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest oldschoolwrestling Report post Posted August 29, 2002 Cheat to beat the top faces, but always beat lowcarders cleanly and convincingly. I loved it when the Rock tapped out recently to Benoit simply because Brock was at ringside. No cheating was involved and it was awesome to see. They need to make these heels more badass by letting them go over cleanly. The WWE doesn't realize that having faces lose cleanly won't make them look like pussies to the fans, it will make them seem more down to earth, and when the face finally does beat the heel cleanly, the fans will pop more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Zack Malibu Report post Posted August 29, 2002 IMO, the perfect stable right now would be a Smackdown exclusive stable of... Chris Benoit... Eddie Guerrero... Chavo Guerrero... and Jamie Knoble. Think about it. Knoble is widely regarded as a younger Benoit. Chavo and Eddie are obviously cut from the same mold. You could do an angle where the "veterans" recruit the "youngsters" because they see themselves within them. You could have them run roughshod over the whole roster, and it puts the cruisers on equal ground with the heavyweights. Then, when you want to play the dissension card, you can go many ways. You can have Chavo stick up for "Uncle Eddy", or would he turn on him for favoring Knoble or Benoit too much? Would Eddy be jealous that Benoit spends so much time trying to help Knoble and not him? Would Knoble only be with them for the fame and money (playing off his trailer trash "anything to make a name for myself" gimmick)? I think this stable could be awesome, and it'd be even better with Heyman writing the stories behind it. Alas, it'll probably never happen, but a smark can dream, can't he . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Electrifyer Report post Posted August 29, 2002 I like Malibu's idea. Just get rid of Noble's trailer park trash gimmick and its perfect. The reason I like this stable is because they don't have wrestlers all in one division, they have them spread out and they pretty much all can be connected to each other(not Noble that well though). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Strike Force! Report post Posted August 29, 2002 I wouldn't want to see Eddie & Chavo in a heel stable. What I would like to see is the two of them together as a legit tag team called Cheat 2 Win. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest NoCalMike Report post Posted August 29, 2002 Problem is that it seems these days, the top babyfaces are booked to just slaughter up to 3 heels at once with no problem. It kills the idea of stables when one guy can wipe out three others. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest D'Lo White Report post Posted August 29, 2002 Kurt Angle Justin Credible Albert They could be the new incarnation of the greatest heel stable ever.....THE BALDIES Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest gwf0704 Report post Posted August 29, 2002 I agree the WWE needs a new heel stable but I think they should use the old WCW gimmick of the New Bloods or whatever new name they want to use. Have Lesnar (after he loses the belt) Cena, Batista, Rico and Orton form an alliance in which they despise being seen as rookies or too new and let them wreak havok. You could add Jamie Knoble and even Shannon Moore into the mix as a tag team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites