The One And Only Smackdown! Thread

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

Once again, Anglesault is right.

 

It'd be more important to have a whole crew of guys who the crowd accepts like Main Eventers now..and use Brock later..y'know..when people cared.

 

Seems like to me you'd want to build a better supporting cast before one top guy, but hey..what's logic got to do with it?

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

I am sorry. I was just expecting, for example, in a month's time for a reason to be given why Tajiri/Knoble/Moore/Helms are wrestling each other. I am all for a slow build but it is hard to build with no foundation.

 

Well they are getting over Moore just by having him get fluke wins - so he's the "underdog" of the division. By him being Hurricanes 'lil buddy' that makes Hurricane out to be something bigger than he really is and hints toward a Moore/Helms feud, Knoble and Nidia are still kept in the spot light and Tajiri gets to work matches. The feud itself may have no real foundation (other than, you know, Hurricane wanting the Cruiserweight belt, Moore wanting to be a star, Tajiri lovin the Nidia love, and Knoble happy being the champ) they are accomplishing and establishing things that will pay-off in the future.

 

The only other angles I can think of are Steph taking up as many segments as she can.

 

The Steph segments are annoying but they've 'gotten over' Matt Hardy (or at least the character of Hardy), started something with Bob Holly, gets Dawn Marie some screen time, and progresses the show. I am probably the #1 steph hater on this board, but it's not like she is getting Jericho to get her lotion any more. Plus, one thing I really liked about Smackdown - No Promos. No one came out to the ring and just talked and talked and talked. The talk was all quick and the action was pretty long. This is what I wanted; less talk, more action (I thought that was what we all wanted). And I am very happy with it.

 

Edge/Eddy which I have no idea why they are fighting what is it the "Hey you speared me I hate you" feud. I like the slow built of Matt Hardy.

 

They said that Eddie jumped to Smackdown for the competition. Edge is a rising star and Eddie wants to be on top... They both want to succeed so that one day they can get the belt. Of course, that doesn't involve shampoo or hair so THAT certainly cannot be a reason...

 

So, when Brock goes over anyone who is, was, or could have been a name in the WWE just to get this one guy over, and he is the last man standing with a pool of broken careers surrounding him, I'll get back to you.

 

Wow, over-exaggerating much? The ends with Brock means a new star... And guess what, it's not Brock. The man who finally beats Brock will be established as the man who did what others couldn't. What Hogan, what Rock, what Taker couldn't. By building up Brock you build up the man who beats him. Brock is merely bait... But they want him to be the biggest worm possible to catch the biggest fish - when it comes at the expense of guys like Hogan, Flair, The Rock, Taker - I'm not complaining.

 

Even if that direction is Straight to Hell?

 

Even if that direction is making Angle into a franchise player? Yes.

 

-The thing with Matt Hardy was perfectly fine. It established him as a man who see's himself as a superstar, a man with a big ego, a man who gets in way over his head. Of course, he is not a superstar like the Rock et. al so reality hit him in the form of Brock Lesnar. It's character development. He'll probably say next week that Brocks win was a fluke. It also re-established Brock as the killer.

 

-Brock must be a rookie. He must be new and fresh. That is the whole point. They couldn't have just had a guy who wallows around in the undercard all of a sudden come up with a bang, THAT is not logical. They could not and SHOULD NOT have aborted his push because the ends *do* justify the means. It is not impossible to get him over as a monster heel, it is not impossible to continue to develop and build a man who happens to be your champion.

 

The Wwf does have a supporting cast - Benoit, Angle, Jericho - they've established since 2000 - throw in the 'new blood' like RVD and Edge and the possiblities are endless.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

Yes, but the thing is..

 

We've seen these guys as the "supporting cast" for two years. It's time for them to move UP, and the current guys to move out. Or maybe the mass defection of viewers was wrong. I think it was the staleness, and stupidity that turned a lot of people away.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Hey, I agree with the fact that Benoit/Angle/Jericho should have been permanent mainstays in the main event since their elevation in 2000. That's not the point, however. The only 'current guys' who are still 'up' are taker and HHH. Taker will soon be put 'down' after jobbing to lesnar so all we have left is HHH. Angle and Benoit were elevated on Smackdown and I don't see any reason why they will be lowered in the near future.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

Well..Kurt was in the main event at Vengeance, and opened at Summerslam..

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

The whole summerslam card revolved around HBK/HHH - Angle/Rey was their strongest opener (I still hated the fact that it was put first - couldn't they just have had a cruiserweight match?)

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

I have to say..

 

I was suprised as hell that Kurt was able to keep up with Rey Misterio. Big props to Kurt.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

You know what, nothing surprises me about Kurt Angle now... The man is nothing short of Godly in that ring... His promos could use some work though. He cut a pretty good one on smackdown, but he needs to get away from the it's true, it's true pacing and become more ~intense~.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

I believe he could, but perhaps he should save the intense-ness for a face character?

[Guest Brian]

There's little things that eek out about his ringwork, just like general continuity between matches and even promos and matches. Didn't he say he was going to snap Rey's ankle in half, yet he failed to even work the leg, but you knew that for Angle to win he'd have to ground Rey and you knew that if angle was going to win it was going to be with the anklelock. And he doesn't really build off past matches. Not big things, minor things, and he's still a top worker.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

In another promotion, the psychology would be a bigger factor. In the WWE..it dosen't really matter.

 

Angle's still one of the best.

[Guest Brian]

But when comparing top workers, I look at it. That's why Eddie and Benoit are two of the best and Angle is just a shade below. But they're all top ten in the world, no doubt. That and he's not as diverse at working different styles, but that will come in time (hopefully).

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

True.

 

I guess people all rank wrestlers differently..but..I rank Angle over Benoit because of the charisma he's got. I know it's picky, but to some of us it matters.

[Guest Brian]

Charisma is the ability to portray a character in the ring. Benoit does that just fine. Angle has a harder time differentiating his heel work from his face work, as do alot of WWE wrestlers. Of course he hasn't gone the face route in a while.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

Angle's problem as a face was that he had somebody else's character. It can't be easy being Austin-lite or The Patriot. I'll wait to rank Angle's face work when they give him a REAL face run.

[Guest Brian]

But his face character was still too much of his heel character. I realize he didn't really have a solid face run, but there were spots where he wasn't trying to be Austin and he was just...heel Angle with a little edge. Like he is now.

[Guest Anglesault]

So, when Brock goes over anyone who is, was, or could have been a name in the WWE just to get this one guy over, and he is the last man standing with a pool of broken careers surrounding him, I'll get back to you.

 

Wow, over-exaggerating much? The ends with Brock means a new star... And guess what, it's not Brock. The man who finally beats Brock will be established as the man who did what others couldn't. What Hogan, what Rock, what Taker couldn't. By building up Brock you build up the man who beats him. Brock is merely bait... But they want him to be the biggest worm possible to catch the biggest fish - when it comes at the expense of guys like Hogan, Flair, The Rock, Taker - I'm not complaining.

Problem is, Brock is NOT over, and shows no signs of appraoching that general region. So, if we MUST keep this mission of getting Brock over until it's completed, it's not going to end with Taker. To get this usesless slug over, they will have to feed RVD to him AGAIN. Then maybe Booker. Goldust. (He's over) Edge(I hate him, but he's better than Brock) Benoit. Kane (over) Eddy. Jericho. Angle. At some point there will be no one left to go over Brock, because everyone has been FED to Brock in a desperate atempt to get over. Ready for Brock/Hardcore Holly at Wrestlemania? WAHOO!

[Guest CanadianChick]

I think that you are over-exaggerating AS. Brock has gotten heat since he "ended" Hulkamania. Taker putting him over will probably get him enough heat to be a good, and not heatless, champion.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

Yeah, but the thing is..

 

It took sending out Hulk "bah gawd" Hogan to get any heat. That's not GOOD.

[Guest Anglesault]

And it was gone the next monday

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Problem is, Brock is NOT over, and shows no signs of appraoching that general region.

 

Based on the past week you can't say that the fans are indifferent to Lesnar. "It took beating Hogan to do it", well fuck, it took Angle saying "This town sucks" to get heat too, what's your point?

 

 

So, if we MUST keep this mission of getting Brock over until it's completed, it's not going to end with Taker.

 

I think, if done right, this taker feud could really put Brock over-the-top. Fans CARE about Taker.

 

To get this usesless slug over, they will have to feed RVD to him AGAIN.

 

I definitely believe they will have a Brock vs. RVD feud in the future (perhaps after the Taker program) because there is still some unresolved issues to deal with. However this would be a different situation; RVD will be the chaser - a role he is much better suited in for this particular feud. RVD is not a sympathetic face as champion - however as challenger where a focus can be put on his desire, determination and drive for the world title, the ultimate loss to Lesnar would make fans hate him even more.

 

Then maybe Booker. Goldust. (He's over) Edge(I hate him, but he's better than Brock) Benoit. Kane (over) Eddy. Jericho. Angle.

 

I can't see them 'feeding' Angle or Edge to Lesnar - unless it will build for a future program (angle) or will elevate them to the main event (edge). Benoit and Guerrero are iffy because they are both heels, however some ring time with Benoit won't hurt. Booker and Golddust are just for the fans' entertainment, the fans don't care for them as much as they do for a Taker or a Austin.

 

At some point there will be no one left to go over Brock, because everyone has been FED to Brock in a desperate atempt to get over.

 

Nah, they won't feed the ones they need. Again, Brock is just bait for the big catch. They are setting him up just so he can be knocked down; why don't you get that?

 

-All of Angles faults can be solved with experience - or perhaps a couple tours of Japan His promos are entertaining but not captivating - they make me laugh but not buy the match/show/etc. The biggest problem as a face that he is up against is his pacing. In his previous face run his promos were the exact same as his heel ones and the fans got confused. They didn't know when to cheer or boo or whether or not they should cheer or boo. He needs a 'serious' program to (hopefully) wipe-away the years of damage his character has sustained by being a goofy-heel.

[Guest Anglesault]

Yeah, why IS he turning face again? It can't possibly be just so they can Brock him.

[Guest Ram]

I think, if done right, this taker feud could really put Brock over-the-top. Fans CARE about Taker.

Apparently not enough to buy a PPV.

[Guest areacode212]

So, is anyone else watching (the NYC make-up edition of) Smackdown along with me this fine Saturday night?

[Guest Anglesault]

I have a satelite dish. I got the Chicago airing or something.

[Guest alfdogg]

Angle debuted at Survivor Series (Nov) 1999.

He won the title at No Way Out 2000.

Actually, it was No Mercy 2000. NWO was HHH/Cactus HIAC.

 

By the way, I'd like to see you tell Brock to his face that he looks like a hamster. I think the big jacked up tatooed amaetur champion would put you in your place!

 

Yeah, if the WWE wants their fucking WORLD CHAMPION to have a police record and have a big-ass lawsuit slapped on them.

 

Give me a fucking break.

[Guest evenflowDDT]

At some point there will be no one left to go over Brock, because everyone has been FED to Brock in a desperate atempt to get over.

Hmmmm... I recently downloaded a clip of Al Snow moonsaulting through a table in a hardcore match against himself. Anyone else thinking what I'm thinking?