Guest MrRant Report post Posted September 4, 2002 Good or bad who do you think is the most controversial of us posters? I would nominate: goodhelmet (commie) Marney - Read anything she posts in Current Events Dr. Tom - even though I agree with a lot of what he says. EricMM - Liberal bastard. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest goodhelmet Report post Posted September 4, 2002 i am not a communist. i am a neo-marxist which is a huge difference. learn the terms bro! as for controversial, i think the poster who has raised the ire of more people and been the subject of the most controversy is anglesault. i personally think of him as a glorified troll but he is certainly effective in getting under people's skins. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ozymandias Report post Posted September 4, 2002 Big McLargeHuge - He likes HHH (!!) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MrRant Report post Posted September 4, 2002 Its all the same to me, Comrade goodhelmetski Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest goodhelmet Report post Posted September 4, 2002 which is why your claim holds no weight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MrRant Report post Posted September 4, 2002 All of my claims hold weight, Comrade. How is the Kremlin these days? The Reverend Rant Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest goodhelmet Report post Posted September 4, 2002 once again, you reinforce my argument. besides, the landmark in san antonio is the alamo, not the kremlin. even then, to accept that the russian communist dictatorships were marxists is simple ignorance on your part. but hey, ignorance is bliss, right rant? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MrRant Report post Posted September 4, 2002 Just like Catholics are completely different from Roman Catholics eh Comradiski? Differerences sure but they all come back to the same book. The Reverend Rant Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ozymandias Report post Posted September 4, 2002 *resists urge to make a stupid Marx Bros. joke* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest goodhelmet Report post Posted September 4, 2002 Just like Catholics are completely different from Roman Catholics eh Comradiski? Differerences sure but they all come back to the same book. The Reverend Rant um no. once again, your ignorance shines through!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MrRant Report post Posted September 4, 2002 Communism is based of Marxism correct? You are a Neo-Marxist which has fucking Marxist in the fucking name. Some similarities you think? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Psycho Diablo Report post Posted September 4, 2002 As far as I know, Communism and Marxism are similar..but they're not really the same. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ozymandias Report post Posted September 4, 2002 I think he means that the totalitarian Soviet regime wasn't really respresentitve of true Marxism. That, or something else. B) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest J*ingus Report post Posted September 4, 2002 If Marxism may be defined as Judeo-Christianity as a whole, then Communism would more or less be Catholicism, while Goodhelmet would be more like some sort of Protestant, or even perhaps a Unitarian. All in all, most controversial are easily Anglesault and Marney. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest goodhelmet Report post Posted September 4, 2002 you already admitted it's all the same to you. your irrational reasoning has already prevented you from discerning the difference between marxism and communism. two entirely ifferent trains of thought. difference... communism is a system of economic govt. or as marx called a mode of production in which he predicted their would be no more economic division between classes. soviet communism is a system of govt.not unlike any other dictatorial mode in which a few at the top control the masses at the bottom under the guise of marxist thought, when in reality, their methods were never devised or accepted by marx. in fact, the kinds of govt. set up by despots like stalin, mao, and castro are the kinds of govts. that marx opposed the most. marxism (and neo marxism) is the critique of economic systems and their effects on populations. only until you can distinguish between the two and ONLY then would I even bother to continue this debate with you because you obviously don't have a fucking clue on what you are talking about. in conclusion, your ignorance shines brighter with every post you make! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MrRant Report post Posted September 4, 2002 *cough* But..... Communism (Marxism-Leninism) is still by and large the same as Neo-Marxism as far as what I have been able to read on Google. Just because someone changed the way they read the same book doesn't mean its not the same... ie the bible. The Reverend Rant Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest goodhelmet Report post Posted September 4, 2002 ok, i wasn't going to respond but it's really quite simple. by using your logic, despite how irrational it may be, you get your info from george carlin and google. you have no background studying marx, the critique of capitalism or, any social theorists who dub themselves the neo-marxist school. yet google told you communism and marxism were one in the same??? as for your book reference, that's not an argument that makes any sense either. because stalin or lenin or castro or mao or ho chi minh or any other communist dictator claims to be influenced by marxist theory (marxism) that automatically makes anyone who disagrees vehemently with the methods employed by these men, yet studies marx and the citique of capitalism, a communist in the same vein??? i think not. scratch that. i KNOW that's not how it works. By that ignorant logic, anyone who has read "A Catcher In the Rye" should also be held in the same vein as Mark David Chapman, who claims the book was influential in his murder of John Lennon. really man. you should do some more homework before discussing a topic you have clearly admitted ("I looked on google") to knowing nothing about. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DARRYLXWF Report post Posted September 4, 2002 Perhaps it's time, Mr Rant, to start targetting Good Helmets Beatles avatar Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MrRant Report post Posted September 4, 2002 Communism is based of Marxism correct? You are a Neo-Marxist which has fucking Marxist in the fucking name. Some similarities you think? Ahh but my good Comrade... as I stated before... I never said they were the exact same but similiar. If you look carefully Comradski... I said that neo-marxism is based of the same marxism that communism is. I never said that "They are completely similar in all shapes and forms" I even compared it to Catholics and other versions of Christianity. I can see your blood is boiling Kremlin Red at my posts which you have still failed to destroy. You have yet to explain IN DETAIL how neo-marxism is not based of the same basic thoughts of marxism which Communism is based of as well. Until then... love live the Iron Curtain!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Report post Posted September 4, 2002 Communism is a form of Marxism where a few people hold all the power. In some ways it is the exact opposite of Marxism. In reality Marxism would never really work. People are greedy bastards who will do anything to get power. Marx, the poor dumb bastard, never accepted this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob E Dangerously 0 Report post Posted September 4, 2002 But none of you excepted Communist painting "We must crush the painting bourgeois! Long live the Communist painters!" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agent of Oblivion Report post Posted September 4, 2002 that painting is fuckin' awesome. I'm not even a communist, marxist, socialist, or russian (well, a few of my ancestors were) It's just a really good likeness, with good use of color. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MrRant Report post Posted September 4, 2002 If I remember correctly... weren't the Nazi's socialists? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DrTom Report post Posted September 4, 2002 It's actually pretty simple. The ideal of communism (note the very deliberate small c) and Marxism are basically the same thing. The way Communism (deliberate capital C, indicating the twisted Leninist version of communism used by the USSR) turned out, it was quite different from Marxism, though clearly inspired by it. Will, someone called you a Communist not long ago (I think it was in an AIM chat, though it may have been on here), and I defended you (if my comment can be indeed considered a defense against that charge) by saying you were a socialist. It seems I wasn't far off. (Edit: fixed a double post that somehow ended up two minutes apart...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MrRant Report post Posted September 4, 2002 It's actually pretty simple. The ideal of communism (note the very deliberate small c) and Marxism are basically the same thing. The way Communism (deliberate capital C, indicating the twisted Leninist version of communism used by the USSR) turned out, it was quite different from Marxism, though clearly inspired by it. Will, someone called you a Communist not long ago (I think it was in an AIM chat, though it may have been on here), and I defended you (if my comment can be indeed considered a defense against that charge) by saying you were a socialist. It seems I wasn't far off. There... I was right. It may be twisted but still comes from the same thing. Nanner Nanner Comrade Helmetitsky. Come let us build a wall in Germany and drink many a vodka. Long life to the Iron Curtain, Stalin, Lenin and... Siberia! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Cancer Marney Report post Posted September 4, 2002 Heh heh. Tom double-posted. Unfortunately, though, he's right. So I can't really flame him. But he still double-posted. So he's, um, a doofus, yeah that's the ticket. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DrTom Report post Posted September 4, 2002 I don't know HOW I double-posted, especially considering that the two posts went up two minutes apart. Either way, it's fixed. If I remember correctly... weren't the Nazi's socialists? They were the National Socialist Party, if memory serves. What they considered socialism, however, and what we consider socialism to be today, are two vastly different things. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MrRant Report post Posted September 4, 2002 Then that would make what we consider to be socialism not socialism wouldn't it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DrTom Report post Posted September 4, 2002 There... I was right. It may be twisted but still comes from the same thing. Had you said that from the start, I'd agree with you. But you went from saying they were the same thing, to saying they were similar, to saying they come from the same source. It's good that you finally backed into the right answer, but it did take you long enough to get there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MrRant Report post Posted September 4, 2002 Ahh... but that was what I was getting at all along.. you just weren't reading it right. Seriously though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
