The LA Times will Name Tupac's Killer

[Guest Marshall]

I'm surprised no-one has mention this.

 

From 411wrestling:

 

In what may become one of the biggest music stories of the year, the Los Angeles Times is claiming that they will reveal the killer of late rap star Tupac Shakur on the 6th anniversary of his death, September 13th.

 

The man who will report the killer, Chuck Phillips, has been investigating the case for a year and interviewed countless police officers and gang members. Phillips told the New York Post that he would name the killer, and that there is a connection to the East Coast.

 

Shakur was shot in Las Vegas 6 years ago following a Mike Tyson fight. His killer was never found, although some suspected that it may have had something to do with the East Coast/West Coast rap feud.

 

 

 

This is just weird. I thought he was still alive and he had faked jis death. If you look into his life all the clues are there. Anyway, this LA Times is just a publicity stunt to sell the paper.

[Guest Redhawk]

Well, seeing as papers sell for like 50 cents, I doubt it's about selling papers. It's more likely to get name recognition as the paper who broke the story. I wonder if that "East Coast connection" has anything to do with Puffy or Biggie, as 2Pac believed.

[Guest BottleRocket]

LOS ANGELES (AP) - A Los Angeles Times investigation into the long-unsolved murder of Tupac Shakur concluded that his killer likely was a gang member who used a pistol provided by rival rapper Notorious B.I.G.

 

No arrests have been made in Shakur's death following the Sept. 7, 1996 shooting near the Las Vegas Strip.

 

The Times, which said it interviewed members of the Southside Crips who had never before spoken out about the killing, reported that the fatal shots were fired by a Crip named Orlando Anderson, whom Shakur and his bodyguards had beaten in a Las Vegas hotel hours before the shooting.

 

The newspaper said B.I.G. had agreed to pay the gang $1 million to kill Shakur, his rival in a feud between East Coast and West Coast rappers.

 

The 24-year-old B.I.G, whose real name was Christopher Wallace, was shot to death six months later in Los Angeles, a killing that also remains unsolved. Anderson, 21, of Compton, was killed in 1998 in an unrelated gang shooting.

 

Anderson and Wallace had both denied involvement in Shakur's murder.

 

Las Vegas police interviewed Anderson once but said they could not build a case against him because witnesses in Shakur's entourage weren't cooperating. A police spokesman did not immediately return a call for comment Thursday.

 

Shakur was riding in a car with Death Row Records co-founder Marion "Suge" Knight after attending a Mike Tyson fight when another car pulled alongside and someone inside opened fire.

 

According to the Times' reconstruction of the killing, based on police affidavits, court records and interviews with witnesses and investigators, the Crips approached Wallace in hopes of making money from the killing after they had already decided to carry it out to avenge the beating.

 

Wallace and Shakur, once close friends, had been feuding for more than a year and had exchanged insults in recordings, at concerts and awards shows.

 

According to the Times, Shakur and his entourage had jumped Anderson to avenge an earlier beating of one of Shakur's bodyguards at a shopping mall. The assault was captured on a hotel security camera.

 

Anderson declined to file a complaint. Instead, the Times said, he telephoned other Crips and set up a meeting at a hotel room where they decided to kill Shakur that night.

 

The gang then set up a meeting with B.I.G., who was in town, and asked for $1 million, according to people who said they were present. The newspaper said B.I.G. agreed on the condition a .40-caliber pistol he was carrying be used in the killing. He wanted the satisfaction of knowing his own gun fired the fatal bullets, the Times said.

 

Since the shooting, rumors about Shakur's killing have continued to spread among hip-hop fans. Some even contend that he faked his own death to escape the pressures of fame and troubles with the law.

 

Three days before his own murder on March 9, 1997, Wallace discussed his feud with Shakur in an interview with a San Francisco radio station.

 

Asked whether he had a role in the Shakur's death, Wallace said he "wasn't that powerful yet."

[Guest papacita]

LOS ANGELES (AP) - A Los Angeles Times investigation into the long-unsolved murder of Tupac Shakur concluded that his killer likely was a gang member who used a pistol provided by rival rapper Notorious B.I.G.

 

No arrests have been made in Shakur's death following the Sept. 7, 1996 shooting near the Las Vegas Strip.

 

The Times, which said it interviewed members of the Southside Crips who had never before spoken out about the killing, reported that the fatal shots were fired by a Crip named Orlando Anderson, whom Shakur and his bodyguards had beaten in a Las Vegas hotel hours before the shooting.

 

The newspaper said B.I.G. had agreed to pay the gang $1 million to kill Shakur, his rival in a feud between East Coast and West Coast rappers.

 

The 24-year-old B.I.G, whose real name was Christopher Wallace, was shot to death six months later in Los Angeles, a killing that also remains unsolved. Anderson, 21, of Compton, was killed in 1998 in an unrelated gang shooting.

 

Anderson and Wallace had both denied involvement in Shakur's murder.

 

Las Vegas police interviewed Anderson once but said they could not build a case against him because witnesses in Shakur's entourage weren't cooperating. A police spokesman did not immediately return a call for comment Thursday.

 

Shakur was riding in a car with Death Row Records co-founder Marion "Suge" Knight after attending a Mike Tyson fight when another car pulled alongside and someone inside opened fire.

 

According to the Times' reconstruction of the killing, based on police affidavits, court records and interviews with witnesses and investigators, the Crips approached Wallace in hopes of making money from the killing after they had already decided to carry it out to avenge the beating.

 

Wallace and Shakur, once close friends, had been feuding for more than a year and had exchanged insults in recordings, at concerts and awards shows.

 

According to the Times, Shakur and his entourage had jumped Anderson to avenge an earlier beating of one of Shakur's bodyguards at a shopping mall. The assault was captured on a hotel security camera.

 

Anderson declined to file a complaint. Instead, the Times said, he telephoned other Crips and set up a meeting at a hotel room where they decided to kill Shakur that night.

 

The gang then set up a meeting with B.I.G., who was in town, and asked for $1 million, according to people who said they were present. The newspaper said B.I.G. agreed on the condition a .40-caliber pistol he was carrying be used in the killing. He wanted the satisfaction of knowing his own gun fired the fatal bullets, the Times said.

 

Since the shooting, rumors about Shakur's killing have continued to spread among hip-hop fans. Some even contend that he faked his own death to escape the pressures of fame and troubles with the law.

 

Three days before his own murder on March 9, 1997, Wallace discussed his feud with Shakur in an interview with a San Francisco radio station.

 

Asked whether he had a role in the Shakur's death, Wallace said he "wasn't that powerful yet."

Am I the only one having a little trouble believing this?

[Guest jimmy no nose]

I could believe it, but I think it's kind of weird that none of this would come out until now.

[Guest KingOfOldSchool]

Orlando was one of the original suspects... Having issues with Tupac's crew could be a motive, and he was the best lead the police had.

 

But I really don't think BIG was involved. At least not that personally, if at all.

[Guest Redhawk]

The only seemingly unbelieveable part is...why would Biggie want them to use a gun that could be traced back to him? And why would he agree to pay them if they were gonna do it anyway?

[Guest jimmy no nose]

The only seemingly unbelieveable part is...why would Biggie want them to use a gun that could be traced back to him? And why would he agree to pay them if they were gonna do it anyway?

I don't know about the gun part, it seems kind of stupid. For the other question, I think the story there says that he told them he'd pay them to kill Tupac some time in advance and they then decided that they'd do it after the beating. They most likely then decided to go to Biggie and tell them they were ready to do it for the money without telling him of their reasoning.

[Guest papacita]

the Crips approached Wallace in hopes of making money from the killing after they had already decided to carry it out to avenge the beating.

 

From what I've always heard, the hotel beating happened just a few hours before the shooting. Now considering where Bad Boy was back in 96 (or even now), how would they just be able to get in touch with Biggie like that? And if they said they wanted to do it anyway, why would Biggie pay them? That's stupid. If they had just said the Crips shot him, I might be able to buy it, but trying to tie Biggie into all this is a stretch.

 

Edit: Just re-read Redhawk's post. Anyway, I still say if they approached him about killing 2pac and not the other way around, Biggie would say no, because it's a waste of money, and everyone would figure he was behind it anyway. Even if he did hate 2Pac that much, he couldn't have been that stupid.

[Guest Shanghai Kid 2002]

Apparently Biggie was in Las Vegas on the night of the shooting, that's how they got into contact with him.

 

It might all be BS, but I'm happy that at least something is coming out. As a big Pac fan, it's at least good to know that somebody is still looking into his murder.

 

As far as BIG goes, he's always been played up as the "good guy" in his feud with Pac. Just look at his VH1 Behind the Music or all the shit Puffy talks. So it's weird to find out that he might of actually payed people to kill Pac and than even gave them a gun to do it. If it's true, than B.I.G might of lost a few fans and Pac's legend will grow even more.

[Guest Ripper]

Biggie wasn't in Vegas that night. He was in Jersey

[Guest papacita]

If Biggie was in Vegas that night, the press would've had a field day with that one. And what I meant by "Where Bad Boy was" was that Biggie was a celebrity, and was one of, if not the biggest rapper at that time. Even if he was in Vegas, I doubt that they'd be able to get to him that easily and be able to get at 2Pac in that short amount of time.

[Guest cartman]

I still need someone to convince me that 2Pac isnt alive in the first place.

 

I distinctly remember hearing this line on a "Post-death" album of 2Pac:

 

"Rest in peace to my nigga Biggy Smalls"

 

...and correct me if i'm wrong but BIG was killed a while AFTER Pac.

 

 

[Guest Ripper]

I think Pac is dead and all, but coming out with songs, rapping over the phone with Scarface and Master P talking about living in the carrabiean did make me wonder a little.

[Guest papacita]

Anybody ever read some of those 2Pac conspiracy sites? I think he's dead too, but those sites fuck me up.

[Guest Midnight Express83]

Pac is fucking dead. B.I.G had nothing to do with the shooting, I think the Crips took out BOTH men. Pac's song "I ain't mad at cha" and Big's "Missing You" both foreshadow their own death. B.I.G. was at a party in Jersey the night of the shooting. It was in the paper. Pac was creamated by the time Biggie was shot and killed.

[Guest Mik at Cornell]

I still need someone to convince me that 2Pac isnt alive in the first place.

 

I distinctly remember hearing this line on a "Post-death" album of 2Pac:

 

"Rest in peace to my nigga Biggy Smalls"

 

...and correct me if i'm wrong but BIG was killed a while AFTER Pac.

 

 

Nah, you're wrong. The song you are thinking of was on the "post-death" Greatest Hits album and is recorded by both Tupac and B.I.G. when they were both still alive.

 

I think it's the only song they ever rapped together on.

[Guest ant_7000]

Well, I believe he's dead as well, but my friend in my speech class did try to prove that Pac was still alive it was kinda intresting and some sense to it. He said something about the 7 day theory which was part of the name which his album was called ironically he died on the 7th day. As for the story Orlando is the strongest lead they had, but Biggie didn't have nothing do with it. But I wanna know is who shot Pac 5 times when he was in New York before he hooked up with Death Row.

[Guest papacita]

Well, I believe he's dead as well, but my friend in my speech class did try to prove that Pac was still alive it was kinda intresting and some sense. He something about the 7 day theory which was part of the name which his album was called ironically he died on the 7th day. As for the story Orlando is the strongest lead they had, but Biggie didn't have nothing do with it. But I wanna know is who shot Pac 5 times when he was in New York before he hooked up with Death Row.

I heard it was somebody from the Black Mafia that got him in NY.

 

As for the "RIP Biggie" thing, I haven't heard it myself, but I was watching Thug Angel a month or so ago and it said something about 2Pac writing a song just before he died just incase Biggie died...like he was preparing all these different scenarios for songs to be released after his death, so that might be what he was talking about.

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

I have difficulty beliveing this story.

[Guest ant_7000]

I don't believe some of it, but maybe the Crips might wanted to kill Suge Knight since he's a Blood and Pac too since associating with him.

[Guest Choken One]

This is easily the most bizzare Musical case in history and it gets more and more fuzzy with all these asaine theorys.

 

People act like this is JFK's assassination here...no...to quote Chris Rock "He wasn't assassinated...Nigga GOT SHOT!".

 

Besides...We all know that Ja Rule did it...

[Guest Ripper]

"But I wanna know is who shot Pac 5 times when he was in New York before he hooked up with Death Row."

 

It was a robbery plain and simple. People act like the dudes ran in and shot Pac and left. They were robbing the place, told everyone to get on the floor and Pac started talking shit and wouldn't shut up so they shot him...Then all of a sudden there is suppose to be this whole big conspiracy with Bad Boy...what ever. I still think that piece of shit Suge made it all up to get his label some more pub.

[Guest ant_7000]

Weren't Biggie and Puff in the next or in the same building when Pac got shot? Even Pac said he think they were conspiring to kill him. On a side note they did do a good article on Pac in XXL (For once) eventhough I don't believe some of the shit Suge said.

[Guest papacita]

Yeah, Pac was going into the video to do a collabo w/ Bad Boy or something, and they tried to rob him and somebody else when he was getting in the elevator. He said after he got shot, the elevator went up to the floor that Puff, BIG and Lil Shawn were, and they acted like they were surprised to see him alive.

[Guest Midnight Express83]

Um, you get shot 5 times and need one of your balls removed. I want to see how well people will looks when they see your body?

[Guest Ripper]

"Yeah, Pac was going into the video to do a collabo w/ Bad Boy or something, and they tried to rob him and somebody else when he was getting in the elevator. He said after he got shot, the elevator went up to the floor that Puff, BIG and Lil Shawn were, and they acted like they were surprised to see him alive. "

 

Thats not really true.

 

Puf, Big and others were in a studio upstairs laying down some tracks and Pac and crew were on a completely different floor doing something else...which eventually included getting robbed and Pac getting shot.

 

Pac said he saw big and Puf outside when the ambulace got there. Big and Puff said they didn't even know who it was that got shot, they just heard something had happend in the building.

 

Pac never said that Biggie and Puff were behind it...he said he believed they knew who did after the fact and didn't tell him. Then the "Who Shot Ya" song came out and he saw that as a shot at him.

[Guest Vern Gagne]

I always thought Suge Knight had both Biggie and Pac killed.

[Guest swan]

You all are wrong. Both Biggie and Tupac work for Elvis in a country western bar in Brazil. All three can be seen in action on Tuesday nights open mike night.

 

 

 

The only good gang banger is a dead gang banger.

 

[Guest papacita]

You all are wrong. Both Biggie and Tupac work for Elvis in a country western bar in Brazil. All three can be seen in action on Tuesday nights open mike night.

Fucking liar! For your info, Elvis teaches Tae Bo classes around the corner from my house.

 

The only good gang banger is a dead gang banger.

I don't think 2Pac or Biggie would fit in the gang banger category anyway, so I'll ignore the ignorance of that comment.