Another Theory I Have on Brock

[Guest Anglesault]

Okay, it's fairly apparent that Wrestling is in a down period. At the same time, The WWF makes boring, unover Brock Lesnar their champion for no good reason. Many of us have been asking how that could possibly help the company. But, have we been looking at it the wrong way?

 

 

Could it be that Vince would rather NOT blow his load on RVD or Angle or what have you right now BECAUSE of the down period? Maybe at some point during Brock's push, Vince realized that Brock is useless, but decided to keep him on top as a lightning rod of sorts. If the current downturn in wrestling be a reason to not give RVD the belt: He feels that he can make a lot more money with Van Dam when the downturn is over? Have Brock take all the heat during the low period, but keep all his future stars away from the main event just so they aren't wasted or ruined during a down period? Instead of fighting it, it might be better to just wait the bad period out. Could Vince be outsmarting everyone here?

 

JR: IS VINCE ZOOMING US?

[Guest MrRant]

He could be but that would involve him and Smarks everywhere taking their heads out of their asses.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

It still dosen't make any sense, Sault. During a down period is the time when you should make new stars..and they aren't. Guys aren't given time to headline, or pushed. Only Lesberg. And he isn't gonna save the company alone.

[Guest RazorxEDGE]

No.

[Guest art_vandelay]

They're just trying to make another star, that's what this whole monster push was about. How can Lesnar be seen as a big threat if he doesn't do something big immediately like win the championship only a few months after his debut? You think jobbing him cleanly would help? This whole Lesnar push isn't filler material for when the ratings go back up, sheesh.

 

*waits for Anglesault to reply with a witty joke*

[Guest Anglesault]

No.

Then Vince is an idiot. He sees a down period in wrestling and thinks that NOT pushing the guys that the fans want and pushing guys they DON'T want wll help?

[Guest RazorxEDGE]

This is the same guy who saw potential in Mabel.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

Yeah, but ONE STAR?

 

What would the point of that be? Taker is old, Trips can't wrestle, and Lesnar sucks. The Hoss Brigade is headlining the midcard, and the guys people like aren't getting pushed.

 

That's suicide.

[Guest RazorxEDGE]

Lesnar doesn't suck, but I think that the fans are dying to see RVD be pushed. HOWEVER...I think Vince is going the slow burn route, and that they are building up to RVD main eventing Mania.

[Guest Anglesault]

They're just trying to make another star, that's what this whole monster push was about. How can Lesnar be seen as a big threat if he doesn't do something big immediately like win the championship only a few months after his debut? You think jobbing him cleanly would help? This whole Lesnar push isn't filler material for when the ratings go back up, sheesh.

 

*waits for Anglesault to reply with a witty joke*

When you are asked to push new stars, and you have two people who are currently the most over heel and most over face without any real push, and you decide to push some guy the fans don't care about, you are trying to tank your company.

[Guest RazorxEDGE]

For every dozen "superstars" that Vince has "made", he's got a dozen abortions/failures to go along with it. His track record is less than stellar if you really study it.

[Guest Anglesault]

Lesnar doesn't suck, but I think that the fans are dying to see RVD be pushed. HOWEVER...I think Vince is going the slow burn route, and that they are building up to RVD main eventing Mania.

Yeah, he's had ONE WHOLE GOOD MATCH! Give him the title! Oh, wait...

[Guest art_vandelay]

No.

Then Vince is an idiot. He sees a down period in wrestling and thinks that NOT pushing the guys that the fans want and pushing guys they DON'T want wll help?

At present time, I want him as champ more than anyone else on the roster, and that includes RVD. Lesnar has a better look and has the persona of an unstoppable beast, RVD's character is that of a stoner/surfer, which is one that I cannot take seriously for a champion.

[Guest RazorxEDGE]

Yeah, he's had ONE WHOLE GOOD MATCH! Give him the title! Oh, wait...

 

Who? RVD? If it's RVD you're talking about, he's had a lot more than "one whole good match". He's delivered on every pay-per-view for the past 13 months.

[Guest alfdogg]

I think it's obvious who he was talking about.

[Guest RazorxEDGE]

You can't just throw the strap onto RVD because the fans love him. When RVD faces Brock at WrestleMania, it will mean much more than it would now. You can't always give the fans what they want when they want it. Have Brock slaughter everybody for the next 6 months, slowly build RVD up to superstar status, and then have them get it on at WrestleMania.

[Guest art_vandelay]

They're just trying to make another star, that's what this whole monster push was about.  How can Lesnar be seen as a big threat if he doesn't do something big immediately like win the championship only a few months after his debut?  You think jobbing him cleanly would help?  This whole Lesnar push isn't filler material for when the ratings go back up, sheesh.

 

*waits for Anglesault to reply with a witty joke*

When you are asked to push new stars, and you have two people who are currently the most over heel and most over face without any real push, and you decide to push some guy the fans don't care about, you are trying to tank your company.

#1 Angle is already at the top.

 

#2 Re-read my statements about RVD.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

Ugh.

 

There has been no evidence that he's a "stoner/surfer" character. I don't see him coming out in swim trunks or with a 4:20 sign. He's just laid back. Which is a nice change from overly INTENSE~! people like everybody else on the roster.

 

Lesnar is goofy looking, shows no real talent, and gets the belt because he's the Next Big Vanilla Hoss.

[Guest Anglesault]

Yeah, he's had ONE WHOLE GOOD MATCH! Give him the title! Oh, wait...

 

Who? RVD? If it's RVD you're talking about, he's had a lot more than "one whole good match". He's delivered on every pay-per-view for the past 13 months.

I meant Lesnar, sorry.

 

Lesnar has a better look and has the persona of an unstoppable beast,

 

Ahh. The time honored tradition of pushing guys on their "look." Talented wrestlers need not apply.

[Guest RazorxEDGE]

Let's not even bring Angle into this. The fans don't want to see Angle on top, they want to see RVD on top. Personally, I think that the Kurt Angle face turn is going to bomb.

[Guest MrRant]

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Ahh. The time honored tradition of pushing guys on their "look." Talented wrestlers need not apply.

That's the ticket!

[Guest RazorxEDGE]

Yeah, except that Brock has the look AND talent.

[Guest alfdogg]

Let's not even bring Angle into this. The fans don't want to see Angle on top, they want to see RVD on top. Personally, I think that the Kurt Angle face turn is going to bomb.

So you say "don't bring Angle into this", then say "I think the Angle face turn is going to bomb."

 

Consistency, please.

[Guest RazorxEDGE]

alfdogg, if you have a personal problem with me, post it in NHB. There's no need to troll after every one of my posts.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

Talent? What TALENT has Lesnar shown? He can grunt? He can throw a mean shoulderblock? He can do a bearhug? For all this supposed "talent" he has, he hasn't shown a lick of it.

 

"Potential", yes. "Talent", no. Nobody should be given the title on potential alone.

[Guest Anglesault]

. You can't always give the fans what they want when they want it.

Horrible, HORRIBLE business strategy. Don't give the fans what they want. That will get over. Let me ask you a question? What if they get tired of waiting for them to FINALLY put the belt on RVD?

 

They have two options.

 

Make Vince Happy: Push Lesnar, do nothing with Angle/Benoit/Eddy/Jericho/RVD/Booker. (What they are doing) and hope that the fans are patient.

 

Make the fans Happy: Dump Lesnar, push said 6 wretlers above. Fans are happy. They watch the show to see people the LIKE to see, Not people VINCE likes to see.

[Guest art_vandelay]

Ugh.

 

There has been no evidence that he's a "stoner/surfer" character. I don't see him coming out in swim trunks or with a 4:20 sign. He's just laid back. Which is a nice change from overly INTENSE~! people like everybody else on the roster.

 

Lesnar is goofy looking, shows no real talent, and gets the belt because he's the Next Big Vanilla Hoss.

 

Which show have you been watching? Do you not notice everytime RVD opens his mouth, the word "dude" and most recently the question "What have you been smoking?" or more specificallyl, "DUDE, what have you been smoking?" (to Jericho).

 

Lesnar isn't goofy looking to me, and he does have talent. His offense is perfect for his character and is more exciting to watch than many of the main eventers.

 

Ahh. The time honored tradition of pushing guys on their "look." Talented wrestlers need not apply.

 

Hey, let's be honest here, in North American pro wrestling, dare I say it, 60% of the package is looks. That's what fans are trained to see and that's what the WWE will continue to feed them. BTW, he's talented.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

To note: I wouldn't have minded giving Lesnar the title after a period of time if he'd have proven himself. As I see it, he was handed the title..just like Triple H. He hasn't done a thing to deserve it. And to give it to somebody just because "he's new" is insane. Batista and Cena are new, but they haven't been given the biggest prize in the buisness yet.

[Guest RazorxEDGE]

I'm sick of hearing this "Lesnar has 3 moves" bullshit. By my count:

 

1. F5

2. Spinning sit-down powerbomb

3. Double powerbomb

4. Bearhug

5. Press slam

6. Powerslam

7. Released overhead belly-to-belly suplex

8. Running clothesline (Standard move, but his has INTENSITY~!)

9. Short-arm clothesline

10. Double backbreaker

11. Shoulder tackles in the corner

12. Spinebuster

13. Shooting Star Press (Yet to be debuted...)

 

There's a dozen off the top of my head.

 

Batista and Cena are new, but they haven't been given the biggest prize in the buisness yet.

 

Brock is coming along much, much more quickly than Batista, Cena, or Orton. None of those guys could have had the match that Brock had with Rock at SummerSlam. None of 'em. Brock is a prodigy, plain and simple.

[Guest alfdogg]

I don't have a problem with you, I was just pointing out that you brought up Angle right after you told AS not to.