And this is why I hate the French

[Guest The Czech Republic]

I just hate how, in most Oriental countries, nationality = race, so if you dislike one of those countries for whatever reason (not that I myself do), you are generally labeled as a racist, while someone from France is open for abuse solely because they are part of the same ethnicity as most North Americans.

You know what, I think an anthropologist from Harvard or Yale needs to address the nation over the four networks and tell the nation the differences between race, ethnicity, and nationality. I'm no Ivy League professor, and I don't even play one on TV, but I'll try my best to explain the subtle nuances.

 

There are three major races of people: Caucasoid(white), Negroid(black), and Mongoloid(yellow). These races are defined by physical traits such as skin color and body shape. Each race is divided into subraces, usually by similar traits in a geographic region. For example, within the Caucasoid race, one finds Mediterraneans, Nordics, Slavs, Baltics, Persians, and Alpines. As each subrace is broken down, we find ethnicities. These are defined not only by the physical traits, but also by language family. Within the Slavs, there are Ukrainians, Russians, Bohemians, Moravians, Slovaks, Ruthenians, Bulgarians, Montenegrins, Serbians, Bosnians, and Macedonians. All speak a common Slavonic derivative and share similar physical features, yet they are still different ethnicities. A nationality refers to the political nation one resides in and its language and culture and tradition. Bohemians, Moravians, Slovaks, and Ruthenians are ethnicities, but in the 1980s, we would have classified their nationality as Czechoslovakian. You and I may be German, or Scottish, or Moroccan, or Cherokee by ethnicity, but by nationality we are American (or Canadian).

 

Now, on to hatred.

 

A racist is one who has hate towards an entire race of people, one of the three above. They do not narrow down their hate to just a subrace or ethnicity, they go for the whole lot of them. A racist hates all white people, or all black people, or all yellow people, or red, or brown, or any other hybrid. Racism is always uncalled for.

 

To hate a smaller sub-class of people generally has its own specific name, such as being anti-Semitic or anti-Oriental. This is generally wrong but is somewhat understandable in that some narrow-minded people will always think the stove is hot if they touch it, being wary of Russians because of an isolated incident, i.e. "a Russian raped my sister."

 

 

 

You know I could've used this for an essay at school but I posted it to a wrestling forum.

[Guest MrRant]

Well you can always copy and paste.

[Guest The Czech Republic]

Upon further examination, you are correct! I can indeed copy and paste. But it'll just feel...tainted.

[Guest CanadianChick]

well unless you copied it from someone else, its not tainted...

[Guest treble charged]

I agree with what you say, TCR, but I still stand by my point that, for the most part, claiming to hate Japanese (or Chinese, I don't want it to seem like I'm picking on Japan or anything) will get people calling you a racist, while hating the French is funny.

[Guest The Czech Republic]

I agree with what you say, TCR, but I still stand by my point that, for the most part, claiming to hate Japanese (or Chinese, I don't want it to seem like I'm picking on Japan or anything) will get people calling you a racist, while hating the French is funny.

I don't get why the French are so humorously hatable other than they run like noses in the winter when they're attacked. Paris is a great city, the French cuisine is outstanding in all regions, there's a smattering of good tennis players from France, and French is a cool language.

 

Le grenouille mange le pamplemousse! Repetez-vous!

[Guest Cancer Marney]

Will you idiots shut up already?

[Guest MrRant]

She changed her avatar?! Is she no longer part of NO MA'AM?

[Guest kkktookmybabyaway]

Funny how Europeans always bash Americans for being prudes...

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Le grenouille mange le pamplemousse! Repetez-vous!

Who eats the grapefruit? My high school-level french is spotty.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

Frog, IIRC.

[Guest treble charged]

Yes, the frog is eating the grapefruit. Say it again!

[Zorin Industries 0]

Um, I could go into detail here about how the French weren't really the cowards everyone thinks they were in WW2, but I don't think anyone wants to hear it, plus I have to get ready to go out too.

[Guest DeputyHawk]

i temporarily moved to paris just under a year ago while my girlfriend completed a year at the sorbonne. french tv, less than two months after 9/11, showed footage of the world trade centre collapsing over and over on fast-forward and rewind to the sound of one of those wee-oo-woop clown whistles. i shit you not. i normally consider myself a tolerant man, but to me that's justification enough for haterd, and i'm not even american. that, plus the fact they stink and they're rude (believe me, it's not just a stereotype).

[Zorin Industries 0]

Shit, that is pretty low.

 

I still can't help but like them though, they gave us Napolean for fucks sake.

[Guest Some Guy]

Fuck! I just wrote a really long post and somehow the page turned back and erased it. I blame the French!

[Guest DeputyHawk]

Fuck! I just wrote a really long post and somehow the page turned back and erased it. I blame the French!

that's happened to me a couple times - seems to be when you go back to edit or delete something and drag over the text, it zaps back to the previous page and deletes your post. did that a few days ago to me with a monster post in current events. let me know if it is a similar reason that caused it to happen to you, and i'll stick something up in site feedback about it, maybe dames can nuke the french to make it all better.

[Zorin Industries 0]

Hey if you nuke the French that means no more Jean Michel Jarre records.

 

Now your'e just trying to make me mad!

[Guest Some Guy]

That's what happened. I think I'll just right click and hit cut instead. This has happend to me a few times and twice with large pretty well written posts. It pisses me off.

[Guest DeputyHawk]

Hey if you nuke the French that means no more Jean Michel Jarre records.

 

Now your'e just trying to make me mad!

true, and no more 'moi lolita' either. it is a conundrum.

[Guest DeputyHawk]

That's what happened. I think I'll just right click and hit cut instead. This has happend to me a few times and twice with large pretty well written posts. It pisses me off.

cool. thanks, sg. i shall make the powers that be aware of the glitch.

[Guest LooseCannon]

A.  Why the fuck do you care what France does with their television broadcasting standards?

 

Community standards practices happen in waves. One community will enforce a type of practice and other communities will follow. Knowing what's going on in the rest of the world in regards to how they police their community standards is essential if one desires to see a pattern in the seemingly randomness of it all.

 

It's not particularly of interest that it's happening in France. What is of interest is that a community that had previously had a rather open stance towards sex and violence might now be reversing that stance. The reasons for such a change (if, in fact, an actual change is happening) is what interests me.

 

I'm not particularly interested in this discussion anymore, because this thread is some sort of joke, and not a very funny one at that, and I don't want to ruin all of the anti-French fun running rampant. But I'll address your points anyway. Your comments on community standards make no sense in this context. National broadcasts in this country are not governed by community standards, but by the FCC, which sets the broadcast standards in this country according to the beauraucratic regulatory process. Local public access stations have more leeway to set standards that are more in line with community standards, yes. But I utterly fail to see any meanigful connection between what the United States permits in its airwaves and what France permits on its airwaves. I have seen no evidence that U.S. standards have influenced other countries and vice versa. I agree that reasons for a relaxing of standards in France may be interesting to discuss. But that has not been happening in this thread. No one else has shown interest in that topic. Just gratuitous anti-France jokes that were probably funny in the mid 1980's

 

B.  Why the fuck are you blaming them for doing something that we already and always have done in this country?

 

I fail to see the logic in this argument. That I find fault with another country's practices does not mean that I am unaware, or untroubled by the fact, that these same practices occur here. Since it's a current change in France's stance on sexual/violent media, it's worth dicussing (I think).

 

I'm sure you don't fail to see the irony in Americans bitching about the tightening of broadcast standards in France. That was my only point. It is precisely the more relaxed, "sophisticated," and "elitist" attitudes of the French that Americans disdain so much that allows the French to air nudity. Contrast with the "parochial" and "puritan" American attitudes toward these standards, and I hope I don't have to explain why I find most of this thread ridiculous.

[Guest red_file]

National broadcasts in this country are not governed by community standards, but by the FCC, which sets the broadcast standards in this country according to the beauraucratic regulatory process.

 

While broadcast standards are regulated by the FCC, the FCC in turn is influenced by community standards. Evolving community standards have forced the FCC to relax their position on a number of issues. As the public has become more willing to allow sexual/violent elements to be shown on t.v., the FCC has allowed those elements to appear. Unfortunately the FCC is interesting in only the lowest common denominator; only those things which will are deemed offensive by the least possible number of people give the okay (not entirely true, but that's the theory).

 

But I utterly fail to see any meanigful connection between what the United States permits in its airwaves and what France permits on its airwaves. I have seen no evidence that U.S. standards have influenced other countries and vice versa. I agree that reasons for a relaxing of standards in France may be interesting to discuss. But that has not been happening in this thread.

 

Comparative social reasoning. It might've been interesting. But, as you've pointed out, no one else is interested. More's the pity.

[Guest LooseCannon]

National broadcasts in this country are not governed by community standards, but by the FCC, which sets the broadcast standards in this country according to the beauraucratic regulatory process.

 

While broadcast standards are regulated by the FCC, the FCC in turn is influenced by community standards. Evolving community standards have forced the FCC to relax their position on a number of issues. As the public has become more willing to allow sexual/violent elements to be shown on t.v., the FCC has allowed those elements to appear. Unfortunately the FCC is interesting in only the lowest common denominator; only those things which will are deemed offensive by the least possible number of people give the okay (not entirely true, but that's the theory).

 

This is a narrow point that probably never really mattered, but my understanding of the term community standards has to do with the regulation of obscenity. Meaning that people in New York have a different conception of what is obscene from people who live in Cincinatti, and so we'll allow NY to regulate obscene materials as they see fit, and those in Cincinatti to regulate as they see fit without imposing a federalized uniformity. This doesn't work in the broadcasting medium, because television airwaves are not confined by geopgraphic boundaries. Hence the national standards are enunciated through the FCC's rulemaking process, which is an independant agency, not an executive agency. I believe you are using the term as a sort of "national" community standard, which caused my confusion.

 

Anyway I had no issue with your approach to the thread, my original post was a result of failing to see the "humorous" point of this thread. That happens to me more often than I'd care to admit.

[Guest red_file]

I believe you are using the term as a sort of "national" community standard, which caused my confusion.

 

Yes, many appologies. I should've clarified further.

 

Anyway I had no issue with your approach to the thread, my original post was a result of failing to see the "humorous" point of this thread. That happens to me more often than I'd care to admit.

 

I too thought this thread was posted with some level of seriousness. I'd forgotten what board I was on and couldn't let go.