Guest AlwaysPissedOff Posted September 10, 2002 Report Posted September 10, 2002 Okay, we're just asking that all the B/C stuff stay in one thread before it gets out of hand, so just post all thoughts of it here, so we can keep the board running smoothly. FAIR WARNING: Any new threads started about this subject will be deleted.
Guest Jobber of the Week Posted September 10, 2002 Report Posted September 10, 2002 Jesus. I had no idea tihs angle would grow to a point where such a thread was needed.
Guest MrRant Posted September 10, 2002 Report Posted September 10, 2002 ::Runs out to start a new thread because he is The Reverend and APO can't overrule him:: BWAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
Rob E Dangerously Posted September 10, 2002 Report Posted September 10, 2002 horrifying angle possibility. The Rock comes out during it and then marries both Billy and Chuck. He goes off to Hollywood. And comes back as a much much gayer Rock. He'd still be over though.
Guest evenflowDDT Posted September 10, 2002 Report Posted September 10, 2002 It seems I'm the only person who is going to enjoy this angle. I doubt it'll have the "touch of class" necessary to make it anything other than insulting, but I have high hopes for this one. Why? Because to me, the fact that gay marriage is used in something as silly as a wrestling angle is an indication that its become more "accepted" an idea in pop culture. Maybe I'm totally wrong, it depends on how things go down, but I hope I'm not.
Guest TheRockIsTheEuropeanChampion Posted September 10, 2002 Report Posted September 10, 2002 I'm looking forward to it. I figure.. whatever happens, I'll see some aftereffects of it on Monday. In homophobic LDS Utah.
Guest evenflowDDT Posted September 10, 2002 Report Posted September 10, 2002 Hmmmm.... this is true about the Utah house show. Do you think the WWE will use that as a "testing" for how well the angle went over before taking it to a next level. IS there a next level? I mean when you get married that's a pretty big thing... wrestling angles usually aren't pretty big things, so where would you go next for Billy & Chuck? From what's already been said it seems probable that The Good Reverend D-Von will get involved somehow, but to what extent?
Guest Trivia247 Posted September 10, 2002 Report Posted September 10, 2002 there is always a chance that this is a swerve. something to happen during the supposed event. maybe Find out that They cheated on each other with Rico or something, or just something stupid happen that just destroys Billy & Chuck as a tag team. and Make them wrestle at The next PPV.
LaParkaYourCar Posted September 10, 2002 Report Posted September 10, 2002 Thus making Unforgiven so far Brock/Taker RVD/HHH Angle/Benoit Chuck/Billy and maybe even Kane/Bradshaw/Book Dust vs. Storm/Christian/Test/Regal or Book Dust vs. Storm/Christian for the Tag Titles and Kane/Bradshaw vs. Test/Regal although that match happened on RAW so it probably won't happen.
Guest AnnieEclectic Posted September 10, 2002 Report Posted September 10, 2002 Evenflow, I wish I had your optimism. I agree there's a slight -slight- chance of this not totally sucking but.. meh. although also true that the fact that wrestling, that high brow of culture, is promoting a gay wedding. That is kinda huge even if it's the stupidest fucking angle ever. -Annie
Guest jester Posted September 10, 2002 Report Posted September 10, 2002 It seems I'm the only person who is going to enjoy this angle. I doubt it'll have the "touch of class" necessary to make it anything other than insulting, but I have high hopes for this one. Why? Because to me, the fact that gay marriage is used in something as silly as a wrestling angle is an indication that its become more "accepted" an idea in pop culture. Maybe I'm totally wrong, it depends on how things go down, but I hope I'm not. actually, I'm willing to give it a chance for many of the same reasons. WWE needs to increase its viewers in ways hasn't before. Now, it has the attention of a whole segment of the population that has a lot disposible income to burn (since it's not so easy for gay couples to have kids). Handle this right, and they might get themselves some new fans.
Guest welshjerichomark Posted September 10, 2002 Report Posted September 10, 2002 am i the only one thinking it'll be a swerve and the road dogg will return, and they will reform the new age outlaws? because the wwe has gone on a lot of nostaliga trips lately
Guest Jobber of the Week Posted September 10, 2002 Report Posted September 10, 2002 Ha..... Ha..... Ha. I sense that the entire mainstream crowd that's gathering up to see this thing will leave shocked and appalled by the night's end, but that's what they get for assuming that this industry has any sort of class. I don't think Vince will be getting any discrimination lawsuits over this (I mean, he keeps Patterson employed, as well as Bradshaw & the other closet cases), but it seems that a bunch of casual viewers hopped on board excpecting a "gay = OK" conclusion. Vince markets to 14 year old boys and men who want to live some sort of inflated macho lifestyle. The clock on homosexual acceptance will be set back about 15 years here. So while the publicity will almost certainly get up and disappear after Thursday, it's still all about money & ratings for the company.
Guest cabbageboy Posted September 10, 2002 Report Posted September 10, 2002 I think HHH will interrupt the wedding and reveal that he married Billy Gunn the night before in Vegas.
Guest Nevermortal Posted September 10, 2002 Report Posted September 10, 2002 I think they should have Brock Lesnar stop it. Destroy Billy, Chuck, Rico, everyone who's there. Destroy the wedding set. Destroy the stage. Just kill and crush and maim. Of course that'd get him over as a face.
Guest Kinetic Posted September 10, 2002 Report Posted September 10, 2002 If the two actually do get "married," I'll be shocked. There has to be some sort of swerve here. The best thing for everyone would involve Rico turning on both guys, destroying the ceremony, and getting a big singles push out of it. I can dream, I guess.
Guest MD2020 Posted September 10, 2002 Report Posted September 10, 2002 I agree with Kinetic. There will be some sort of swerve. When is the last time a wedding angle goes off without a hitch in wrestling? It doesn't happen. Someone is going to interrupt.
Guest Kinetic Posted September 10, 2002 Report Posted September 10, 2002 D-Von is a terrible choice to interrupt, though, seeing as how he's a jobber that no one cares about or wants to see pushed. I put my faith in the WWE creative team to come up with something better than that. Push Rico, damnit!
Guest Jobber of the Week Posted September 10, 2002 Report Posted September 10, 2002 I also hope we don't get any Batista interrupting to get revenge on DVon. Talk about a waste. Please... Please... Do not use this angle as an oppertunity to push a HOSS.
Guest notJames Posted September 10, 2002 Report Posted September 10, 2002 From a legal/ethical/public opinion standpoint, I don't think Vince would interject the wedding with an all-out beatdown by anyone, especially someone like Lesnar. Something about a blond-haired, blue-eyed Aryan poster boy taking the stuffing out of three effeminate pretty boys would get a fair share of raised eyebrows (not to mention a plethora of angry phone calls). Me thinks an internal strife scenario is the best bet, most likely Rico siding with one of the two, culminating in a 1-on-1 (wrestling match, that is) at Unforgiven, especially given the name of the PPV. As far as Road Dogg is concerned, he (and Honky Tonk Man, incidentally) was actually approached by Vince to attend the wedding, but neither side came to terms. (Read: Road Dogg made one too many demands, and got a swift heave ho from Mr. McMahon). I personally hope the media doesn't spoil the results, as I am somewhat intrigued by how this all plays out. Not so much from a wrestling standpoint as an "oh look, a train wreck" standpoint...
Guest Hitman Jebus Posted September 11, 2002 Report Posted September 11, 2002 The following is from WWE.com: Billy & Chuck on Stern & 'Today' on Thursday Billy & Chuck will be making a variety of appearances on Thursday, leading up to SmackDown! Between 7:30 and 8:15 a.m. ET, they're scheduled to appear on Howard Stern's radio show. They're also booked for "The Today Show," which airs 7 to 10 a.m. on NBC. ---------------------------------- After Hogan, Austin and The Rock...BILLY AND CHUCK HAVE GONE MAINSTREAM!!! WATCH OUT HOLLYWOOD!!! By the way, I seriously hope this pays off for the WWE and especially for Billy and CHUCK~! (look at my sig...) Who'd ve thought Billy and Chuck as the next breakout stars... Gay acceptance in wrestling? (well, not everywhere...I'm looking at you redneck states and Mormon-land USA aka Utah) Billy and Chuck face turn? (apparantly, they got a HUGE face pop in Washington DC last weekend!!!) THe worlds gone all fiddle faddle foo!!!!! The Hitman Je(e)bus - Definitely not gay, but boy do I support those wacky homos! SUPPORT GAY RIGHTS!
Guest snowfan Posted September 11, 2002 Report Posted September 11, 2002 The following is from WWE.com: Billy & Chuck on Stern & 'Today' on Thursday Billy & Chuck will be making a variety of appearances on Thursday, leading up to SmackDown! Between 7:30 and 8:15 a.m. ET, they're scheduled to appear on Howard Stern's radio show. They're also booked for "The Today Show," which airs 7 to 10 a.m. on NBC. ---------------------------------- After Hogan, Austin and The Rock...BILLY AND CHUCK HAVE GONE MAINSTREAM!!! WATCH OUT HOLLYWOOD!!! By the way, I seriously hope this pays off for the WWE and especially for Billy and CHUCK~! (look at my sig...) Who'd ve thought Billy and Chuck as the next breakout stars... Gay acceptance in wrestling? (well, not everywhere...I'm looking at you redneck states and Mormon-land USA aka Utah) Billy and Chuck face turn? (apparantly, they got a HUGE face pop in Washington DC last weekend!!!) THe worlds gone all fiddle faddle foo!!!!! The Hitman Je(e)bus - Definitely not gay, but boy do I support those wacky homos! SUPPORT GAY RIGHTS! The press will no-sell them if the spoilers are legit I bet depending on what Glaad says....
Guest TheRockIsTheEuropeanChampion Posted September 11, 2002 Report Posted September 11, 2002 Gay acceptance in wrestling? (well, not everywhere...I'm looking at you redneck states and Mormon-land USA aka Utah) I would like to say that not everyone living in Utah is a homophobe. Thank you. (But I'm actually from Washington; what the hell do I know?) I personally will go so far as to cheer Billy & Chuck this Monday. Wish me luck... Because I may just get my ass kicked by SOMEBODY. BTW : Utah is the worst test market for ANYTHING. AT ALL. This place is full of rednecks. EDIT: The press will no-sell them if the spoilers are legit I bet depending on what Glaad says.... (*covers ears*) La la la la la... I'm not listening~!
Guest Celestial Dung Posted September 11, 2002 Report Posted September 11, 2002 Honestly a realistic potrayal of homosexuals is nearly impossible in the WWE. It's a theater of caricature. You just can't be a southener in te WWE, you gotta be a Hillbilly. Can't just be from Englance, gotta be a royal snob. So any sort of type is going to be blown to extremes. Every cliche the homosexual community has been saddled with will be magnified. As theater tatics it's debateable. As a role model sitution, it just doesn't sound good.
Guest snowfan Posted September 11, 2002 Report Posted September 11, 2002 Honestly a realistic potrayal of homosexuals is nearly impossible in the WWE. It's a theater of caricature. You just can't be a southener in te WWE, you gotta be a Hillbilly. Can't just be from Englance, gotta be a royal snob. So any sort of type is going to be blown to extremes. Every cliche the homosexual community has been saddled with will be magnified. As theater tatics it's debateable. As a role model sitution, it just doesn't sound good. good point...
Guest DeputyHawk Posted September 11, 2002 Report Posted September 11, 2002 are we allowed to discuss spoilers in this thread? if not, here is a link: http://www.rajahwwf.com/wwf/headlines/4466.shtml but if we are, could you post a spoiler warning on the thread before we continue?
Guest evenflowDDT Posted September 11, 2002 Report Posted September 11, 2002 So any sort of type is going to be blown to extremes. Every cliche the homosexual community has been saddled with will be magnified. As theater tatics it's debateable. As a role model sitution, it just doesn't sound good. Yea, but you can say the same thing about shows like Will & Grace and Queer as Folk as well, and there was never any real severe backlash from any of those.
Guest notJames Posted September 11, 2002 Report Posted September 11, 2002 So any sort of type is going to be blown to extremes. Every cliche the homosexual community has been saddled with will be magnified. As theater tatics it's debateable. As a role model sitution, it just doesn't sound good. Yea, but you can say the same thing about shows like Will & Grace and Queer as Folk as well, and there was never any real severe backlash from any of those. Yeah, but this is pro wrestling, the red-headed stepchild of the entertainment industry, where everyone is a caricature, no matter how well done. The shows you mentioned above will always be on a higher plane than pro graps. No matter what the rest of the industry is doing, wrestling will always have the microscope trained that much more on itself, engendering harsher criticisms and demanding higher retributions.
Guest franchise632 Posted September 12, 2002 Report Posted September 12, 2002 Let me just say that I was at Target Center on Tuesday night, I wont spoil it for those who dont want to know, but I thought the pay off of this was worth it.
Guest TheRockIsTheEuropeanChampion Posted September 12, 2002 Report Posted September 12, 2002 How was the crowd reaction? I mean.. were they awake for it or not?
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